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micky1mo 25th September 2018 16:07

Sammio for sale
 
Today I was contacted by a German gentleman regarding this car found in a showroom in Dusseldorf.
Nice the see a SAMMIO surrounded by some very expensive marque. :nod:

https://i.imgur.com/mlEjxbTh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d9zc9Gvh.jpg

I'm sure it's one built by Dave in his Poole workshop.

I am also sure the price tag will up-set the trolls again. :faint:

On the plus side, I informed him I could build him one for half the listed showroom price and he's now coming over next week for a chat. :whoo:

Lucky@LeMans 25th September 2018 19:17

I would suggest the price is spot on ! Assuming he shifts it for that or a close offer you can bet he will be asking you to build more.

Mister Towed 26th September 2018 06:16

Ditto, I believe the price is right too.

As for building one for half the price, assuming you mean you'd charge the customer around £11,500 and would be in profit yourself, you'd barely be making minimum wage for your time. The customer would probably export it to Europe then sell it on for twice what he paid for it anyway.

There are people out there with deep pockets for classic replicas - Suffolk Sports Cars' stand was swamped with toffs at Goodwood, while the maker of the Aston DBR1 replicas is also trading very nicely in the £70-120k bracket, then there's these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reliant-F...53.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maserati-...oAAOSwVnFbXPoj

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1956-Mase...sAAOSwbxBbQ3ax

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABSOLUTEL...EAAOSwZZlbomrs

Kit cars and specials, one and all.

Jaguartvr 26th September 2018 06:53

Looking at the picture, the front indicators are certainly not symmetrical, in fact the whole front looks as if it isn't symmetrical. Having read what Paul L bodyshell had to go through to knock it into shape, I think anyone starting a Sammio has to be very brave.
Would need to knock a "0" off the price for me, compare it to the car Smash sold last year, his black 250. The Formosa looks a much better bet as the shell is far better finnished.
Not meaning to piss anyone off, just my opinion.

Lucky@LeMans 26th September 2018 09:22

I was a bit worried that my 250 TR would be knocked in value because I have fitted the "wrong" engine. The two Maserati's listed above have shown that won't matter too much as they both feature Chevrolet V8's and are on the pricey side.

With regard to Sammio body I would say that a little mis match from side to side is quite acceptable. If you take a tape measure to most cars of that era, the hand built cars in particular, most will show variations.

NeilF355 26th September 2018 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky@LeMans (Post 96964)
The two Maserati's listed above have shown that won't matter too much as they both feature Chevrolet V8's and are on the pricey side.


Aren't they both the same car?
:eusa_naughty:

Lucky@LeMans 26th September 2018 11:02

I saw that !!

oxford1360 26th September 2018 11:10

I wonder if Gary ever imagined his creations being in a showroom in front of a 300SL Gullwing.

Paul L 26th September 2018 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 96963)
Looking at the picture, the front indicators are certainly not symmetrical, in fact the whole front looks as if it isn't symmetrical. Having read what Paul L bodyshell had to go through to knock it into shape, I think anyone starting a Sammio has to be very brave.
Would need to knock a "0" off the price for me, compare it to the car Smash sold last year, his black 250. The Formosa looks a much better bet as the shell is far better finnished.
Not meaning to piss anyone off, just my opinion.

A few quick points from me…

- I think the front indicators are just a trick of the camera angle, as all the photos I’ve seen of other Sammio builds from Dave/Bisto34 have been top quality cars. :cool:

- Remember that I had the rarer Sammio Cordite model, not this Sammio Spyder version.

- Compared to the DNA asking prices, I think Smash should have sold his for more, especially with the bumpers.

- Agreed the Formosa is higher quality, but Chris’s one on Ebay is the equivalent of €43k, so significantly more.

- If you think the correct price should be €2,550 then you must be ‘aving a laugh. :icon_wink:

Cheers, Paul. :)

Paul L 26th September 2018 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by oxford1360 (Post 96967)
I wonder if Gary ever imagined his creations being in a showroom in front of a 300SL Gullwing.

Or in a private car collection that included a SWB 250, etc. :cool:

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psz823kw15.jpg

Mister Towed 27th September 2018 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilF355 (Post 96965)
Aren't they both the same car?
:eusa_naughty:

My bad, didn't look too closely at the ads as I was getting ready to go out.

Mister Towed 27th September 2018 07:33

Just put the ad through Google Translate:

domestic equipments
vehicle description
This triumph Sammio reminds by its appearance on one of the most famous racing cars from the 60 's: The Shelby Cobra 289! That was it! This Triumph Sammio has been made in a small series based on a Triumph Herald and looks like a daring historic race car. But he is not! The engine has a pure 1296ccm and is therefore in small four-cylinder and no beefy eight-cylinder. But no matter! This sports car looks good and is very sporty despite its small engine! A nice leisure time for the garage and the country road.


Couldn't have put it better myself! Well, perhaps I could've...

Lucky@LeMans 28th September 2018 22:46

Maybe Google translate doesn't pick up on the subtleties in the German language !

I suppose there is a bit of a Cobra look to the front end but it hadn't occurred to me before and you do need to squint a bit.

bisto34 20th October 2018 19:17

obviously been selling mine far too cheap!

rochdaleGT 10th December 2018 20:53

this dealer is well known for its "special" prices

only people with "thumbs on all fingers" or total amateurs are buying there.

the triumph and kitcar community in germany is already warning to buy this car for that price.

update:

car is now advertized for 18.500 euro
does not really look serious if dealers play-up with prices in a region of ~35%

at beginning of year 2018 the importer (a dealer in south germany) has tried to sell the car at least 3 times via ebay...no success...and now another dealer is trying...450km further north ...with the same success...none.

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...2-d7dcce8a7f7c

Mister Towed 11th December 2018 06:22

Absolutely agree with Rochdale here, E18,500 is a ridiculous price.

If they really want to sell it they should advertise it for double that and hold out for a buyer for whom that's a very modest sum of money for a weekend car, and who appreciates the beauty, style and WOW! factor they're getting for not a lot of Euros.

Well done, Rochdale, thanks for raising the pricing issue. Again.

Lucky@LeMans 11th December 2018 08:51

I'm with Towed on this one !

rochdaleGT 11th December 2018 17:39

see what yoo get for 18000euro. (an original lotus seven, 2 westfield seven, a TVR griffith or cerbera, a perfect lotus europa, 2.5 lotus excels in good condition, 3 relant scimitars in mint condition)...and than compare it with such a sammio, botched together in a shed from a private builder ...with a "tricky" suspension (rear), a poor performing engine.....for that money it must not only "look" good...it must perform well (there are several spacialists whoare able to bring some horsepower even into a triumph engine) and the condition must be spot-on....which this car is far away from!!!

lancelot link 11th December 2018 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky@lemans (Post 96983)
maybe google translate doesn't pick up on the subtleties in the german language !

Quote:

and than compare it with such a sammio, botched together in a shed from a private builder
thats clear enough !

Paul L 12th December 2018 09:13

I know I shouldn’t feed the Troll, but I am under the influence of cough mixture. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rochdaleGT (Post 98045)
… botched together in a shed from a private builder ...

rochdaleGT - Perhaps something is getting lost in translation, but generally over here in the UK, we think of this as a “shed”.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/590/2...692c8a3b_c.jpg

Whereas, this car was built by David/bisto34 in what we would call a “workshop”.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...2&d=1521847951

Similarly, this is what we would call “botched together”.

https://i0.wp.com/www.careofcars.com...ap-repairs.jpg

Whereas, this is what we would call an example of a professional standard modifications.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...2&d=1443569035

bisto34 has produced a number of quality Sammios over the years and here is another one below. :cool:

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...8&d=1503265213

So rather than just insult his work without providing any evidence…

Perhaps you could point out the "botching" you are referring to in relation to car DWY 417B?


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