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lancelot link 16th August 2018 18:39

Geoff Wilson's F120 GR
 
Geoff and I have been discussing a Formosa build for over 6 months now and he's finally got a firm plan in his head ...

So yesterday , Geoff dropped his 'barn find' SE5 off to me ...He had already stripped the front grille area off to access the engine etc easier ...but today I went all the way and stripped it right back to our starting point ...


https://preview.ibb.co/jwxVQz/IMG_2659.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/eMx5Qz/IMG_2660.jpg

I already have Geoff's body here , so after doing a couple of repairs on his chassis and converting the outer rails to boxed sections , I can start putting his frame together and moving engine and box etc back a bit ...

molleur 16th August 2018 20:00

Interesting project.

lancelot link 16th August 2018 20:13

Geoff wants to fit a few upgrades ..looking at RX8 gearbox and rear disc conversion amongst some other things ...

lancelot link 21st August 2018 17:35

Some progress made on this in the last 2 days .....

I have removed the steering column , pedal cluster , radiator and centre and rear exhaust sections ...

pedals will be changed and radiator will be a Lotus item.

The chassis had about half a dozen holes in it , weirdly all except one along the passenger side ( where I found the bramble bush whilst stripping the bodyshell off )these have been cut out and patched where necessary and the drivers 4 bar mount reconstructed as it was quite poorly.
I have also repaired the outriggers on their ends and replaced the open channel side rails with a closed box section ...front outriggers have been replaced too ...
finally , the engine and gearbox have been moved back approx 4 '' and the original engine mounts re-welded to the chassis ...


https://preview.ibb.co/hWTf2e/IMG_2691.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/dq4sFz/IMG_2692.jpg

lancelot link 22nd August 2018 21:53

https://preview.ibb.co/nf8OQz/IMG_2709.jpg

Bolt in framework for Triumph fuel tank fitted and some bracketry fitted to the chassis by tapping and drilling rails in anticipation of starting to fabricate the space frame augmentation which this fuel tank frame will form the rear section of...

lancelot link 23rd August 2018 10:57

Geoff wants a bit more room in his car , he's quite tall and wants maximum legroom ...so I am dropping the floors as much as I can , stretching the bulkhead area forward as well ...The Scimitar based cars can achieve this better than the Vitesse based ones but its a bit more work to achieve it....

lancelot link 4th September 2018 22:09

Geoff has supplied some centre laced 7.5 x 15 wires with 235/60 fronts and 245/60 rears for the car ...They look fantastic but are hugely wider than the car ... I am attacking the task from two directions .
First is to widen the rear arches as much as I feel I can without compromising the shape ...so 75mm bands put in both rear wings today ...

https://preview.ibb.co/fXtEue/IMG_2744.jpg

second stage will be to put a strip down through the centre of the body to widen the whole shell ...

Jaguartvr 5th September 2018 08:09

Tyres look too wide for the rims. Surely a tyre change would be a much cheaper and easier solution.

Lucky@LeMans 5th September 2018 15:50

I would be tempted to trial fit some 205/70's first. That will save hours of work and they'll probably fit under wider arches. The style of car lends itself to narrow wheels and tyres anyway.

lancelot link 5th September 2018 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky@LeMans (Post 96647)
I would be tempted to trial fit some 205/70's first. That will save hours of work and they'll probably fit under wider arches. The style of car lends itself to narrow wheels and tyres anyway.

Exactly why the car is set up to take 5.5 maximum ...I have another one on the go for a customer , his is on 16 x 5's and that's wide enough on a Scim car for me ..
If Geoff had started with a Vitesse and the narrower track , the wheels would fit just fine ...

Bottom line is , he was made aware of the issues before he bought the wheel/tyre combo ...I advised him that it would create a headache ,..but he wants a wide look to the car ...I designed her to be narrow purely because the real examples are narrow and all the Replica stuff is wide due to Cortina / Sierra and Jag axles being used ...
Geoff wants a wide look to go with his wheels , 3.4 Essex engine / RX8 gearbox , rear discs etc approach to his car ...

Not how I would build for me , but it's not my car ...

Paul L 8th September 2018 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 96625)
…second stage will be to put a strip down through the centre of the body to widen the whole shell ...

I assume that means widening the boot lid to match?

I know there was a time when taking an angle grinder to the body shell would have filled me with fear.

But these days, I am just interested in where/how you make the cuts, as I understand the process better.

Good luck, Paul. :)

lancelot link 8th September 2018 06:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul L (Post 96708)
I assume that means widening the boot lid to match?

I know there was a time when taking an angle grinder to the body shell would have filled me with fear.

But these days, I am just interested in where/how you make the cuts, as I understand the process better.

Good luck, Paul. :)

Yes Paul ...I started the work yesterday , right pain to do on my own ( I don't have a ''Paul'' like Ed China )...took a few hours to get it all set up and clamped and bolted in place , but managed to get it fibreglassed back together by glassing the rear valance and dash face initially as these pieces are vertical and tied it back together... I did a nice hot mix and the muggy weather helps to cure it nice and quickly ... Turned the body over with the help of the neighbour and glassed the entire cut from underneath , body went back on just before I left for the day ... this morning , I will add some fibreglass paste to the top surface and give it an initial sand ....

bootlid and bonnet will be done once the body has been secured to the frame ..

lancelot link 8th September 2018 18:00

https://preview.ibb.co/d7pbZp/20180908_155331.jpg

lancelot link 10th September 2018 20:46

https://preview.ibb.co/exmXep/IMG_2848.jpg

The sides still need to be pulled in a bit and a fair old dollop of filler will be required , not so much the centre cut , but both wing tops need the curve re-instating a bit ...but its the correct width for the wheel/tyre combo now ....it's too wide for me but Geoff loves it ...so that's the main thing ...

Jaguartvr 11th September 2018 10:32

I would use Isopon p40 grp paste as a filler. Bit harder to sand back but less chance of cracking and shrinkage at a later date.

Marc F 11th September 2018 12:47

And this shows how flexible this design can be - so it is still a "special". So much more fun than another (yawn) Cobra or Westfield.

The width reminds me of, was it called, a Kougar? Jag based cycle wing special from the early 80's scene

Following with interest - not because I want one, but because the modifying is fascinating to watch.

Marc

Lucky@LeMans 11th September 2018 16:19

The Kougar Monza was a similar shape but it was a "big" jag based car. The mods on this example have meant loads of extra work to accommodate some over size wheels and tyres.
There were similar suggestions that I should use a Cobra chassis to mount my 250 Testarossa body onto but there was no way I was going to cut up a perfectly good ali body to fit it to a chassis that was too wide.

lancelot link 11th September 2018 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 96758)
I would use Isopon p40 grp paste as a filler. Bit harder to sand back but less chance of cracking and shrinkage at a later date.

That's exactly what you are looking at .... fibreglassed with 3 layers of 600 from behind against an aluminium strip being used as a 'mould' and then P40 'hairy filler' added to the top surface to build up the low points , it will be finished with regular Easy sand to get the profile back ... I will then brush some red gelcoat with wax solution on the re-shaped area and sand that back to give it a final finish ...

lancelot link 11th September 2018 17:52

The car has ended up a similar width to a Jag or Cortina based Kougar Monza ...

lancelot link 11th September 2018 18:01

Here's a body I converted to LHD by cutting and swapping the dash and headrest around ... its a fair bit of work , about 2 days in all ...but as you can see , using gel coat as a final finish , brushed on like this and sanded back ...( not shown ) gives it a decent surface ...

https://preview.ibb.co/eT1Ajp/IMG_2850.jpg

redratbike 11th September 2018 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky@LeMans (Post 96762)
The Kougar Monza was a similar shape but it was a "big" jag based car. The mods on this example have meant loads of extra work to accommodate some over size wheels and tyres.
There were similar suggestions that I should use a Cobra chassis to mount my 250 Testarossa body onto but there was no way I was going to cut up a perfectly good ali body to fit it to a chassis that was too wide.

Memories a funny thing no idea what car you are thinking off that looks like this

Not a Kougar

https://goo.gl/images/Gr1jpM

https://goo.gl/images/Gr1jpM

Lucky@LeMans 11th September 2018 20:49

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I'm thinking of this Kougar Monza design.
Not sure how many were made though, its quite a rarity.

Lucky@LeMans 11th September 2018 20:52

As it happens, this particular car is for sale in the back of the latest edition of Classic & Sports Car. Priced at £60k I think.

redratbike 12th September 2018 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff H (Post 96770)
Lucky did say Kougar Monza,

Try a Google on that one.

Yep as you said. I Can see it ... ooops apologies boys :wacko:

redratbike 12th September 2018 21:06

Didn’t Someone buy a monza body and chassis recently on here ???

lancelot link 12th September 2018 21:45

Yes they did and it has been passed on ...went to Europe I think ...

scimjim 17th September 2018 21:07

I like the wide look - but being a bit more performance orientated, I’d have to put the right size Wheels/tyres on - the sidewalls on those balloons will be rubbish in high speed corners.

Chassis number for the Scimitar registrar please?

lancelot link 20th September 2018 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by scimjim (Post 96840)
I like the wide look - but being a bit more performance orientated, I’d have to put the right size Wheels/tyres on - the sidewalls on those balloons will be rubbish in high speed corners.

Chassis number for the Scimitar registrar please?

I'll get the details for you from Big G..

A bit more bodywork achieved on the ''Formorsa'' , re-aligned headrest and dash pod that messing about with the body had thrown out of whack ...also , the extra width has meant the boot aperture needed re-shaping too ...

https://preview.ibb.co/dEG9XK/IMG_2983.jpg

I've started getting pedals , m/cylinders and steering in place too

https://preview.ibb.co/e5w1CK/IMG_2984.jpg

lancelot link 9th November 2018 17:45

I have been waiting for Geoffs rebuilt engine to arrive so I could proceed with his build , but its going to be another 2-3 weeks apparently ....so I made the decision to do a bit whilst I wait ...

I have widened the bonnet , I cut it in half placing both halves where they needed to be and pinched the nose in slightly as I wanted to keep the 'face' from looking too wide ...These two halves were then tagged together by glassing a couple of token areas on the outside to hold them together .... when cured , the bonnet was removed and flipped over and strapped to ensure minimal movement ..I then glassed the whole cut on the inside. .finally . .a liberal coating of hairy filler was applied to the outside to level it up and add strength ...

https://preview.ibb.co/fnynDV/IMG-0285.jpg

I had already fitted the Lotus radiator into a bolt on bracket and I added the framework for the flip front to this ...extra tube and bracing this time as its a larger panel than normal ...

https://preview.ibb.co/gekCfA/IMG-0287.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/kBqCfA/IMG-0288.jpg

molleur 9th November 2018 19:45

Is that a real TD in the background?

lancelot link 10th November 2018 08:45

Its a 1936 MG TA ...It belongs to Glan , the guy who helped me create the bodyshell ...It's in here so he can do a bit of work on it , re-assembly and paint ...it is a very pretty car with lots of new parts including re-built engine etc.... progress has been slow as Glan's health isn't great , but we plan to start prepping it for paint this coming week , if he's up to it ....the car is kind of for sale as well ...Glan would love to finish it and we hope to achieve that , but he's realistic enough to know that if someone wanted it as it is or unfinished ..he would sell her ..

molleur 10th November 2018 11:10

The TA looks pretty nice!

lancelot link 17th November 2018 11:52

Started fitting Electric power steering using an MG TF unit ...not too painful ...still need to get steering shaft sleeved and tig welded and introduce a pillow block to the lower half , now an extra u/j is involved ...but I could repeat this exercise for around £200 + steering parts and minus the wiring ...

https://preview.ibb.co/iDEvZf/IMG-0463.jpg

Alex 17th November 2018 14:52

Good idea putting the power steering on Gary, would it be be an easy job to retro fit onto mine its something I have been considering, driving is fine its just parking and maneuvering into my garage is hard work

lancelot link 17th November 2018 15:25

not impossible Big G ...I will go back and look at your pictures to remind myself ...

Paul L 18th November 2018 06:19

Gary – Neat job on the bonnet widening. :cool:

I can certainly vouch for the fact that joins like this remain very solid when set.

All the cuts I made in my car have lasted years / miles without any issues.

Cheers, Paul. :)

lancelot link 9th January 2019 09:44

ForMORsa updates ...

https://i.ibb.co/XJqPzBF/IMG-1567.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/0DZZyrF/IMG-1568.jpg

Chassis pretty much all painted , axles , suspension etc has all been stripped out , re-bushed , painted etc... all new brakes , Wilwood front conversion , Gaz shocks all round ..I have just started running brake lines etc. and re-figured the steering a bit utilizing a pillow block bearing ...

Engine being tweaked and should be here soon ...


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