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smash 1st December 2019 04:01

Back in the club!
 
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Very lucky to get the opportunity to buy this car. It's well documented in other threads on here but it's had an insane amount of time spent on the body with all the mods Gary carried out and the hundreds of hours of prep by Jeff. The headlines are: genuine rear screen from GTO engineering, relocated fuel filler to boot corner as original, shortened doors, deeper sills blended into rear quarters, square corner windscreen, Marchell spots and custom Borani replicas made by Turino with Borani spinners and Pirelli Centurato CN12s. So a lot of money, sweat and tears put into it.

I'm sure some of you remember I got myself in a right twist looking for perfection with my last car. Lost a good friend through getting so uptight. Not good. Not good at all. I'm in a totally different place with this one. It's not perfect but it just looks right and has an air of age about it that seems authentic some how. Previous owners vision that Jeff and Gary made reality has created a stunning car. As I said, lucky to have it.

The interior needs finishing which will include full dash conversion and I'm looking to get that done over next few months.

Paul L 1st December 2019 08:58

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Originally Posted by smash (Post 102850)
… I'm in a totally different place with this one. It's not perfect but it just looks right and has an air of age about it that seems authentic some how…

Hi Scott,

I really hope that first sentence is true, so let me try to fix those typos for you…

”I'm in a totally different place with this one. It's doesn’t need to be perfect, as just looks right and has an air of age about it that seems authentic.”

:icon_twisted:

:icon_wink:

Jokes aside…

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Originally Posted by smash (Post 102850)
… Previous owners vision that Jeff and Gary made reality has created a stunning car…

Agreed. :cool:

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...8&d=1575176488

Enjoy, Paul. :)

NeilF355 1st December 2019 09:07

Hi Scott
Very nice car :D
Looking at the hour you posted the pictures you must have had an early Christmas....too exited to sleep day, and I don't blame you.
Enjoy!
Neil

Lucky@LeMans 1st December 2019 09:32

Wow, looks great. The subtle look with toned down colour choice, both the bodywork and the wheels really give the car an authentic appearance.
A really nice car, I hope you enjoy this one !

Jaguartvr 1st December 2019 11:27

Good luck on the interior, I have been working on one for weeks but nothing fits and every part has had to be cut up and remade so that it will fit (not Tributes interior).
Wiring is a nightmare but the window winder switches mounted in the doors are now finally working.
Working in a stripped out convertible with the roof lowered is bad enough, I don't think I would be brave enough to try and do it on a painted hardtop, but good luck.
The car does look stunning, I see it has the Grassbanks wiper panel conversion. I bought one intending to fit it but came across some chrome wiper blades that I fitted. I hate them your eye just goes straight to them, the original black blades are so unobtrusive that you just don't notice them sp I stuck with the original set up.

Mitchelkitman 1st December 2019 11:45

With respect it needs different badges :nono::peace:

smash 1st December 2019 12:24

I know lol! After everything I've said as well. They're pinned so am working out options.

DaveP 1st December 2019 19:54

Welcome back Scott. Bloody nice Z50 SWB you have there.

Loved your post by the way. Glad that you had a car you are happy to own and want to take further.

Dave

molleur 1st December 2019 21:40

Congrats Scott!
Beautiful car.

smash 1st December 2019 22:19

Thanks for kind comments on car, as I say I've been lucky.

Agree Jeff as we've said a few times life is short and there are too many reminders recently - my dad used to say there are no pockets in shrouds. Very true. He also said about my cars "why do you always by crap!" just before he passed. To be fair I had just rocked up to the hospital in a dodgey Fiat X1/9 Eurosport lol.

I honestly think this is the most beautiful car I've ever owned.

Steve - I'm going to let a trimmer do it. I just haven't got the facilities. Thats the next thing that will get done. Look again though - no scuttle panel just careful chrome trim placement ;) I'd like to get one though.

I need to get an independent valuation for insurance - appreciate any suggestions.

Lucky@LeMans 1st December 2019 22:52

Grassbank were still selling some parts. I bought a scuttle trim just a few weeks ago.

lancelot link 2nd December 2019 19:05

That's great Scott ....Some of the mods on that car were a bit involved but worth it ....Jeff did a great job of finishing what I started ...Enjoy !!

smash 4th December 2019 16:36

Cheers Gary - it's all the mods that on their own don't seem a lot (I know they were probably a pain in the ass lol!) but altogether make so much difference

Grassbank scuttle panel in the post...

smash 14th January 2020 08:52

Car back at it's spiritual home for a little spruce and while it's there....

...the badges are being deleted.

Hughandjen 14th January 2020 14:39

I bought a grass bank scuttle panel but have decided not to fit it. I think it cost me £80. You can have it for £40 plus postage if you like

smash 14th January 2020 21:04

That's a great deal - sadly already bought one.

Can I ask why you decided not to fit?

Lucky@LeMans 14th January 2020 21:35

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Originally Posted by Hughandjen (Post 103224)
I bought a grass bank scuttle panel but have decided not to fit it. I think it cost me £80. You can have it for £40 plus postage if you like

Not sure what will become of the moulds. Its an easy retro fit for existing cars, they work really well on the 250's.
I'm sure someone on here will have it.

smash 15th January 2020 05:46

Grassbank still supply them so that's a no no and I'm sure Chris wouldn't do that. Plus he's no longer producing the 250.

Hughandjen 15th January 2020 08:08

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Originally Posted by smash (Post 103226)
That's a great deal - sadly already bought one.

Can I ask why you decided not to fit?

When I looked into it you had to mess about with the windscreen wiper mechanism. So I decided not to proceed. I don’t have welding gear.

froggyman 15th January 2020 12:15

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Originally Posted by smash (Post 103230)
Plus he's no longer producing the 250.

Since when? Is there a reason for this? Anyone.

smash 15th January 2020 13:27

Classic Coachworks announced on the Tribute Facebook Group last week I think it was.

Concentrating on new car launch which is not a replica but has a good DB Zagato flavour and is looking good.

Jaguartvr 16th January 2020 17:06

Surely it's not true, don't do faeces book so can't check.
The 250swb is the best Tribute kit by far,

Lucky@LeMans 16th January 2020 19:50

Moving with the times, new products coming online etc. You wouldn't want all your eggs in one basket so to speak. I think its a case of onwards and upwards, Tribute have got to be one of the most prolific kit suppliers out there !

molleur 16th January 2020 20:05

With many time and money saving features as far as I can tell.
Well done Tribute.

DaveP 16th January 2020 20:06

I’m looking forward to new models.

I did like the SWB but only the Cali. If it is the case then anyone with one now has had a boost in value.

Onwards and upwards agreed.

Dave :)

Jaguartvr 17th January 2020 10:30

Classic Coachworks still seem to be offering the same cars with different names, makes sense, taking a step back from a replica name.

Just make sure you don't badge them or remove the badges as Smash is doing. If you put a genuine manufactures badge on a replica you are asking for trouble. The manufacturer will have spent many years and many millions of pounds on his name and badging so you have to understand why they would be pissed off.
However trying to copyright a design that is 60 years old and not badged or an exact copy, I think would be impossible to enforce.
There are many other replica manufacturers that I know off who make replicas with the same original name and using original badging. These have been trading for many years and do not seem to have a problem.

lancelot link 18th January 2020 13:04

You have to tread very carefully with Ferrari .... This isn't a new subject. They do keep an eye on what's going on and are passionate about their brand .
You say it's difficult to enforce a 60 year old copyright .. Well they went to court to get the 250 GTO registered as art . The design has been recognised as a piece of art and that gives more clout to Ferrari to go after people for art forgery and the heavier penalties resulting from it. Now , they may choose to never pursue it but they are happy to let the world know this fact and that it bothers them enough to go through the legal process ..... I can think of better people to have an argument with !!

Lucky@LeMans 18th January 2020 16:09

A lot of these issues seem to stem from the use of badges and using the name in an advert description, whether its a manufacturer or sometimes by a private owner.

Whilst there are some extremely well executed, like for like replica's out there, none of our cars are in that league.
In most cases the proportions of our cars aren't right, too short, too tall etc. The running gear isn't right, Ford, BMW, Mazda etc.
For the most part our cars are a long way off in just about every area.

If you can avoid the temptation to put on inappropriate badges and avoid certain words when you come to sell I would like to think you'll be ok.

DaveP 18th January 2020 19:58

Given of us are not party to any discussions on this I think it is safe to assume that we avoid anything that raise any opportunities for litigation from any manufacturer including the F people.

It is also easier for a builder to plead some form of ignorance than anyone with a commercial venture that has a direct affect on the livelihood of members of that company. If any maker of a kit or their related companies have a risk of commercial proceedings I would not be surprised if they ceased to produce or supply such items.

Good luck to anyone in this part of the hobby / industry as creating anything that keeps old style automotive designs alive is open to scrutiny and comment.

I will stick to my Kobra with the head scratcher badge as no-one is threatened by what I have.

Good luck all. We might be the last generation that produces unique cars. We need to band together to protect ourselves best we can or ...

We are all doomed !

Stupid boy Dave

Back to Scott’s hijacked thread ...

Lucky@LeMans 19th January 2020 10:11

.. (Good luck all. We might be the last generation that produces unique cars. We need to band together to protect ourselves best we can or ...

We are all doomed !)

Things will be changing over the next 20 years or so, if the ill informed Government making poorly thought out decisions continues. Our only hope is to push how environmentally friendly our cars are by the fact that they are recycled and we only use them infrequently!

landmannnn 21st January 2020 09:58

Whilst I do not support Brexit, the lack of Brussels imposed laws will help. Especially looking at the very restricted modifications allowed in mainland Europe.

Jaguartvr 21st January 2020 18:40

I =may be wrong (very probably) but I thought the 40 year MOT exemption was an EU directive.

Barber 23rd January 2020 08:43

Scott, the car is fabulous and I can see why you took it when the opportunity arose. Enjoy!

landmannnn 24th January 2020 21:29

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Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 103280)
I =may be wrong (very probably) but I thought the 40 year MOT exemption was an EU directive.

I think the 1960 cut off was EU, the UK only have gone one stage further with the 40 year bit.

If you remember the EU were trying to harmonise the 4 plus 2 MOT, which got rejected in the UK.

For some reason NI is different.

smash 25th January 2020 03:56

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Originally Posted by Barber (Post 103295)
Scott, the car is fabulous and I can see why you took it when the opportunity arose. Enjoy!

Thanks mate - it'll be going over to Laon Historic tail end of May hopefully with full interior conversion having been completed.

smash 5th February 2020 03:44

Car back from Jeff's and looks superb - he's done an amazing job but suspect he'll never want to see it again lol!

In case youre wondering why the front clip was repainted it was the cars been on the road a couple of years and the grp had settled plus the usual pulls on the small bonnet. The car deserved it. Grassbank scuttle really makes a big difference.

Interior next...

jones 5th February 2020 05:51

Pictures?

smash 5th February 2020 17:41

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Only a couple Jeff sent - I didn't take any before I left and it got pretty wet and dirty on way home. Clean this weekend and get some shots.

jones 5th February 2020 18:22

Thanks for the picture

Smash you must be really pleased, that looks great make q big difference to the look.

smash 7th February 2020 11:31

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Yes thrilled with it. Was a bit of a ball ache for Jeff - arrived jntrimmed and grp was covered in pinholes but he's done the business.

New steering wheel arrived today too. Gorgeous.


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