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deni 18th November 2016 23:15

DVLA Question
 
Hi,

I have posted this question on the Sammio forum as well to try and reach more people.

I have read the info regarding 're-body' regulations on this forum, which is very helpful. I know about the 8 point rule and the procedure the DVLA requires to retain your reg plates and historic vehicle status.

I have bought a donor and will hopefully start a build soon. My donor was not a complete car though, but only the rolling chassis with engine and without the bulkhead and the plates, so the car was already stripped of the body when I bought it. I have the original chassis/body VIN plate and all the paperwork is correct and present. I also have proof of purchase from the garage I bought the rolling chassis from, ebay screenshots and the receipt.
However, I do not have a photo of the complete vehicle showing reg plates before it was stripped, which seems to be something that the DVLA insists on.
I have also contacted the Previous Registered Keeper and asked if he had any photos but had no luck (he only bought the car to restore his much older car, used the body panels and sold me the rolling chassis, so he owned it only for a couple of weeks).

My question is, am I going to have trouble registering the kit car and keeping the original plates/historic status if I can't provide the photo of the complete vehicle?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Deni

lancelot link 18th November 2016 23:21

pm'd you Deni ...

deni 19th November 2016 11:16

Thank you.

lancelot link 6th March 2017 20:18

Did you get anywhere Deni ?

I am trying to sort out a S*mmio rebody for an old customer and we did all the requirements as they were laid out previously ...we have had a letter back saying they will alter the V5c when we MOT the vehicle ..so now its on hold until the vehicle is put through it's test ....not a problem , but just draws the process out for him a bit longer than previously .....

deni 31st March 2017 19:29

Dvla
 
Hi Lancelot!

First of all, sorry for such a late reply - I was away for a while. Thank you for your message. Does this mean that we do not have to provide so much evidence as before because by now DVLA knows enough about this type of build?

Cheers,
Deni

P.S, I will post the reply to your message on S*mmio ;-) too.

MartinClan 31st October 2019 09:18

What chassis modifications are permitted
 
Hi-jacking this thread a bit but seemed like a good place to pose this question.

I am thinking about another build. The kit I have in mind is based on a Spitfire / GT6 chassis but with quite a few mods.
Lengthened.
Outriggers removed and new Outriggers and floor pan welded in.
Chassis forward of front anti roll bar removed.
The manufacturer says that all the builds so far have not needed an IVA. And I suppose that the basic structure of the chassis is unaltered. But I have my doubts if this falls within the rules or that they have just been getting away with it.
What does the forum think?

Cheers Robin

keith 31st October 2019 12:54

I think if you alter the chassis and do not fit back as original then you would need an IVA test but you might be able to get an age related plate but it might have to go on a Q plate.

Lucky@LeMans 31st October 2019 15:40

That is far more than a rebody including; modified, lengthened, cut out and removed etc etc.

You can add parts to a standard chassis but not remove anything, unless it un bolts, that is my understanding.

lancelot link 31st October 2019 20:45

The minute you change the wheelbase measurement its game over ...add to that new outriggers and floors welded in and its def a no go on the re-body scheme ....The suppliers of that kit have either been very lucky so far as few get inspected nowadays or they are being selective with the facts ...If they are a seasoned builder , they will know they are falling foul of the current regulations ...

redratbike 31st October 2019 21:17

I’m racking my brain to think what kit it is?

Mister Towed 1st November 2019 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 102548)
I’m racking my brain to think what kit it is?

Good question, what kit is it?

As for the modifications, as LL says above, if you change the wheelbase by shortening or lengthening the chassis then it definitely needs an IVA, which at best leaves you with a number plate that's age-related to the youngest component used in the car (see link below), or more likely, the dreaded 'Q' plate.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...assic-vehicles

The outriggers and cutting away the chassis ahead of the front arb are a different matter. The rules allow for things like brackets and sub-frames to be added to the chassis - to be doubly sure of complying I'd make them bolt-on rather than welded on, while I believe that alterations to the chassis are only an issue within the wheelbase, not fore and aft of the axles. Just make sure you don't weaken the chassis when you cut away anything that runs across it. from either end.

MartinClan 1st November 2019 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 102548)
I’m racking my brain to think what kit it is?

Corsa Spyder

Mister Towed 1st November 2019 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 102552)
Corsa Spyder

Hmm, didn't realise it needed the chassis lengthening.

redratbike 1st November 2019 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 102552)
Corsa Spyder

Actually didn’t know they were still making it hence not making the connection .. originally from a guy in charlton then someone in Bromley near me
i still have an original brochure somewhere

Mister Towed 2nd November 2019 08:37

No mention of kit prices or availability, but their website is still up -

https://www.corsaspyder.com/

redratbike 2nd November 2019 09:50

Still in bromley

lancelot link 2nd November 2019 12:49

They are a good looking car ...

MartinClan 2nd November 2019 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 102566)
No mention of kit prices or availability, but their website is still up -

https://www.corsaspyder.com/

You just need to request the price list from the guy. The kit contains most everything, bar the Spitfire, including all the metalwork to modify the chassis. And there is a lot of that. It's sub 3k which seems good value but I am still concerned the extent of modification to the chassis. Not that the DVLA would probably find out but they could always change the MOT rules to check for things like that.

Cheers Robin

lancelot link 3rd November 2019 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 102573)
You just need to request the price list from the guy. The kit contains most everything, bar the Spitfire, including all the metalwork to modify the chassis. And there is a lot of that. It's sub 3k which seems good value but I am still concerned the extent of modification to the chassis. Not that the DVLA would probably find out but they could always change the MOT rules to check for things like that.

Cheers Robin

Its certainly priced to sell and is a nice concept ...I'd be wary of buying a donor that's been off the road too long as it can flag up an inspection , get your logbook in order at the very beginning if you are tweaking the chassis ...also be aware that MOT stations are legally required to report modified vehicles if presented to them ...a friend fly tester would side step that but also when you tax your car now you have to declare if its been modified . If you say no ..there could be future insurance implications etc. If you say yes , they'll ask for more info and probably inspect ....I've also had a situation in the past where DVLA scouts have reported suspicious vehicles seen at shows ....not scaremongering , and not trying to dampen your plans but just people need to be aware times change and the casual approach to modified vehicles era is changing with it ...

lancelot link 3rd November 2019 08:58

If its only a mild stretch , maybe a slight shortening of the body itself might be better. ..I accept it'll change the aesthetics slightly , but if shortened in the right areas , it might be a better way to build the car ?

MartinClan 3rd November 2019 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 102580)
If its only a mild stretch , maybe a slight shortening of the body itself might be better. ..I accept it'll change the aesthetics slightly , but if shortened in the right areas , it might be a better way to build the car ?

No its not unfortunately. 12". I am not sure why a Spitfire chassis was chosen as the Herald has about 8" longer wheelbase and wouldn't have needed quite so much stretch....

Cheers Robin

lancelot link 3rd November 2019 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 102581)
No its not unfortunately. 12". I am not sure why a Spitfire chassis was chosen as the Herald has about 8" longer wheelbase and wouldn't have needed quite so much stretch....

Cheers Robin

Spitfire has no outriggers or side rails , Herald does ..but I agree pointless argument when you are modifying anyway ...12" stretch is a lot and I'd say too much to go unnoticed ...but its buyers / builders choice really ...Id probably think about starting with a Spartan ..Triumph based box section chassis cars are about 95" wheelbase , so there's your 12" you need and logbook will say Spartan and denote is as a kit build so any little mods you need to do would go undetected ..

MartinClan 3rd November 2019 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 102586)
Spitfire has no outriggers or side rails , Herald does ..but I agree pointless argument when you are modifying anyway ...12" stretch is a lot and I'd say too much to go unnoticed ...but its buyers / builders choice really ...Id probably think about starting with a Spartan ..Triumph based box section chassis cars are about 95" wheelbase , so there's your 12" you need and logbook will say Spartan and denote is as a kit build so any little mods you need to do would go undetected ..

Hmm. Good suggestion. 95" is exactly 12" more than a Spitfire... Makes you wonder if that was how the Corsa Spyder started. A rebody of the difficult on the eye Spartan.

Cheers Robin

Paul L 3rd November 2019 13:09

Robin - Sorry for arriving a bit late to this debate.

But there is some more detail on how the DVLA consider chassis mods in this post:

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...45&postcount=2

However, I think it is pretty clear that this work should lead to IVA.

Cheers, Paul. :)

Lucky@LeMans 3rd November 2019 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 102586)
Spitfire has no outriggers or side rails , Herald does ..but I agree pointless argument when you are modifying anyway ...12" stretch is a lot and I'd say too much to go unnoticed ...but its buyers / builders choice really ...Id probably think about starting with a Spartan ..Triumph based box section chassis cars are about 95" wheelbase , so there's your 12" you need and logbook will say Spartan and denote is as a kit build so any little mods you need to do would go undetected ..

If you went down the Spartan route you can still fill in the paper work for a rebody. That way it will all be above board, just buy a donor Spartan that IS correctly registered !

MartinClan 5th November 2019 08:42

On the theme of a re-body. What exactly does the V5 show after a re-body?
Does it loose the original vehicle's identity completely?
Or is there still reference to the fact that it once was a Spartan, Triumph or whatever?

Cheers, Robin

Paul L 5th November 2019 09:35

There is no mention of the original donor car on the V5C, but I am sure it is held on record ‘somewhere’.

I was allowed to change the Make, but the Type had to be left blank.

This meant that I went from:
Make – Triumph
Type – Spitfire

To this.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF4208.JPG

Based on some Tributes you don’t need to keep the original make.
( I wanted to keep Triumph, but others have dropped BMW. )

The only other thing you get on your V5C is these ‘Special Notes’:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4213.JPG

Cheers, Paul. :)

NeilF355 5th November 2019 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 102620)
On the theme of a re-body. What exactly does the V5 show after a re-body?
Does it loose the original vehicle's identity completely?
Or is there still reference to the fact that it once was a Spartan, Triumph or whatever?

Cheers, Robin

Hi Robin
In my time I have had 3 rebodied cars, each one of them had make and model details changed according to a different approach.

As far as I can gather at the moment they seem to be retaining the make as the manufacturer of the donor car such as Triumph, BMW etc and changing the model to reflect the rebody.

God only knows what they will do if you submit a rebody on a kit car such as a Spartan, although Lucky@Lemans on this forum appears to have had his rebodied All Aluminium 1957 250 Testarossa, which was built on a correctly registered Locost 7 chassis, given the make of the body manufacturer and the model of the 250 TR it replicated.

Lucky@LeMans 5th November 2019 09:47

It seems to depend on who is doing the paper work at the DVLA end. Some people get exactly what they want first time, others have a bit of battle.

I think if you send the info to them correctly with photos before and after, a covering letter etc etc its usually ok.

No problems rebodying a correctly registered kit car.


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