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y cymro 6th October 2013 22:49

I like that Chris - very exciting. Have you though about how to get the rear angle of the door glass right? It looks critical to getting the shape balanced. Re-profiling the shape of the door/rear wing perhaps to get that rear sloping look, or just a different shaped glass?
Cheers
Steve

casamolino 8th October 2013 18:42

The Z3 is booked into Tribute for 2nd Nov , if Chris can get any where close to the pictures he put up on this thread i will be one very happy bunny , Geoff .

y cymro 8th October 2013 22:08

If anyone can do it Geoff, it's Chris and Dan.
I bet you can't wait!
Cheers
Steve

y cymro 19th October 2013 14:13

Lots of detailed shots here, Geoff

Click and Enjoy!

casamolino 19th October 2013 19:59

I can see those downdraft Webers being a problem! Geoff .

Tribute Automotive 19th October 2013 20:27

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Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 47562)
Lots of detailed shots here, Geoff

Click and Enjoy!

Fantastic source of reference pictures., thank you.

Tribute Automotive 19th October 2013 20:28

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Originally Posted by casamolino (Post 47579)
I can see those downdraft Webers being a problem! Geoff .

It won't be a problem on the V12 conversion........:wink:

y cymro 20th October 2013 21:01

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Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 47582)
It won't be a problem on the V12 conversion........:wink:

It should fit... but what about a manual gearbox?

y cymro 20th October 2013 23:46

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Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 47581)
Fantastic source of reference pictures., thank you.

You're very welcome. I can't wait to see the result

casamolino 4th November 2013 09:36

Looks like another Silver Z3 ready to go under the knife! Geoff .

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/DSCF0981.jpg

Tribute Automotive 7th November 2013 21:47

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Originally Posted by casamolino (Post 48258)
Looks like another Silver Z3 ready to go under the knife! Geoff .

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/DSCF0981.jpg

Geoff, the Cobra has landed! Progress to follow.......

casamolino 9th November 2013 08:23

Morning Chris yes it did throw it down on the walk to the station and i am pretty sure i never asked for a Cobra , :faint: Geoff .

neemo 9th November 2013 10:05

im really looking forward to this build!

ive rolled with the evolution of the cars that you have produced Chris.
im torn between Geoff or Joes build, im a sucker for a coupe or fastback with classic lines.
i'm going to take the plunge when both cars start to take shape.

Tribute Automotive 9th November 2013 18:25

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Originally Posted by casamolino (Post 48406)
Morning Chris yes it did throw it down on the walk to the station and i am pretty sure i never asked for a Cobra , :faint: Geoff .

You must of been soaked. I know you said you enjoyed walking but that can't have been fun!

I think the cut and shut Cobra panels will be a quick start to the rear end of the SWB when combined with the MX250 kit. Some parts of the front end can be utilised too, headlight mounts etc.

zagmad 9th November 2013 20:03

:drum: Will you be stretching the kobra profile lines across the boot. Light pod area looks good nice and sleek. Any pics of those bits.

zagmad 9th November 2013 20:06

:icon_biggrin: like pictures me. Helps the imagination

Tribute Automotive 9th November 2013 20:26

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Originally Posted by zagmad (Post 48431)
:drum: Will you be stretching the kobra profile lines across the boot. Light pod area looks good nice and sleek. Any pics of those bits.

The Cobra bits will help with your rear end (oh er!) as well

zagmad 10th November 2013 12:05

had an idea to get the door line you wanted. bit complicated but possibly doable will involve parts of arch and door panel fitted to the door so that the bmw door opens as it did normally and a false raised panel further back. eg extend a panel over the door sinking part of the arch and put it on the door. giving illusion of the door opening further up with the angled panel.only thing is when you open the door you will have the panel on it. other alternatives doing the same but when you open the door you have to lower the window all the way down . extended fixed panel going left to right that sits on the door frame. sorry got bored. :playball:

Mitchelkitman 14th November 2013 16:49

Very much looking forward to this one........ Don't rush it though chaps, it needs to be good! Joking aside, having worked for a manufacturer in the past, any error in the mould is then a bug forever!
Could be a market winner this one.
Please don't have any spacers on the wheels as I and my insurers don't like them!!!!

zagmad 15th November 2013 20:23

Or just fit wide wheels. Or steels with wire wheel look covers like the ones hanging in the reception office. Nit sure if it means the steel wheel will need to be a positive or negative offset. Or some terminology like that. Then bolt through the covers like some fiat/honda's do to hold them on. Yeah, i know too much time on my hands

Mitchelkitman 15th November 2013 20:32

Ref the spacers.... It would be ideal if it didn't need spacers WITH STANDARD WHEELS. We all know it's possible to get different offsets, but can get silly cost wise. Starting with the standard wheels without spacers make a low-cost build all the more likely. I'd think it would look great with some steels.:smile:

y cymro 15th November 2013 21:23

Whilst I agree that not wasting money is a good thing, I think that building a tribute to one of the prettiest cars ever built shouldnt be a penny pinching exercise. The most important thing, and one that Chris is very, very good at, is to make the proportions and relationships between design elements work well together. Sometimes these elements need to be exagerated to give the right effect in the tribute due to constraints in the donor vehicle's design. I believe one such will be the rear wings and using Cobra or GTO wings will be a good starting point. Personally, I plan to use deep dish wheels on mine - just like the original, so I expect pronounced haunches just like Pinninfarina draughted

Mitchelkitman 15th November 2013 22:29

I agree it would be good to get the body looking as 'correct' as possible - however consider also that changing the offset of the wheels (whether by wheel design or spacers) may not have a dramatic effect on the rear axle the same can't be said of the front! Changing front offsets may ruin the handling of the donor car/ your exotic creation!

Tribute Automotive 19th November 2013 22:13

Z3 stripped of its outer panels

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8ae955b2.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps28ca605e.jpg

Cobra rear end tried for size.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psea1b1d42.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps809b5bc1.jpg

We will be using just the first foot of the panels combined with the MX250 rear wings and roof.

Mitchelkitman 19th November 2013 22:41

Cobra rear
 
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Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 48428)
You must of been soaked. I know you said you enjoyed walking but that can't have been fun!

I think the cut and shut Cobra panels will be a quick start to the rear end of the SWB when combined with the MX250 kit. Some parts of the front end can be utilised too, headlight mounts etc.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...pse8b0c54f.jpg

To me the arches look incorrect, and it almost looks like cutting the extreme rearmost part off and turning it upside - down would do it! Also need widening at rear (ie arch is 'flatter' when viewed in plan than cobra one.) Just my opinion , but only looking at photos - reality can sometimes be a lot different.

casamolino 20th November 2013 17:28

Bl**dy H*ll Chris you could have warned me, only just got home from work and havn`t had any wine yet , Geoff .:icon_biggrin:

zagmad 20th November 2013 17:36

:first: This is where the magic happens and Chris turns it into stunning kit . All you have to remember is that its based on shapes. Some bits stay and others go. Quite fun watching the builds coz it looks like the car cracks and then rebuilds itself into the right shape. Quite a unique process. Wheel arches can be moved up and down, forward and back in the wing.

WorldClassAccident 20th November 2013 17:56

Chris is quite good at cutting things up, sticking them back together and making them look right. Who would have thought the top picture would look like the bottom picture?

Before
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/IMG_4022.JPG

After
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...117_161135.jpg

casamolino 20th November 2013 18:07

Nick , Photoshop is a wonderful thing , Geoff .:icon_biggrin:

Tribute Automotive 22nd November 2013 20:31

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Originally Posted by Mitchelkitman (Post 48807)
To me the arches look incorrect, and it almost looks like cutting the extreme rearmost part off and turning it upside - down would do it! Also need widening at rear (ie arch is 'flatter' when viewed in plan than cobra one.) Just my opinion , but only looking at photos - reality can sometimes be a lot different.

We have removed the rear of the "buck" body work from the TVR wedge that was used to produce the panels for Alex's Tuscan GTO build. Combined with parts of the Cobra it will be a good start.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psf6551181.jpg

casamolino 23rd November 2013 09:30

Chris a box of bits will be on there way Monday , Geoff .
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/DSCF1118.jpg

Mister Towed 25th November 2013 13:27

Following this thread with a great deal of interest as I really like the 250 swb shape. Have you come up with a suitable rear window glass yet? I was thinking the MGB GT or VW Type 3 fastback screens might just fit the bill -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5f4aaa23.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8e56aa39.jpg

Can't wait to see this one take shape. I'm not a fan of the GTO shape, but where the swb is concerned, if it looks as good as I hope it's going to, perhaps I could be persuaded to start another build...

casamolino 25th November 2013 18:05

Mister Towed spot on , MGB glass it is , Geoff .

Mister Towed 25th November 2013 19:32

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Originally Posted by casamolino (Post 49029)
Mister Towed spot on , MGB glass it is , Geoff .

Just thinking out loud, wonder if the panels could be made to fit an mgb gt body for a tax free classic donor?

After all, they're still pretty cheap when they have rusty body panels and can be converted to V8 spec relatively easily for those that must have powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

zagmad 25th November 2013 19:39

:plane: Convertible might be easier. Roof wise.lower period windscreen.

Mister Towed 25th November 2013 19:56

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Originally Posted by zagmad (Post 49037)
:plane: Convertible might be easier. Roof wise.lower period windscreen.

Yep, could be workable. Just checked the dimensions of the 'B' - it's not too far away at a 91" wheelbase compared to 94.5" for the swb and only 89" for the MX-5.

Damn. I thought I'd finished with this building cars malarkey...

froggyman 25th November 2013 20:23

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 49038)

Damn. I thought I'd finished with this building cars malarkey...

Problem is it gets in your blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mister Towed 25th November 2013 20:39

Having done a bit of surfing I reckon the gt screen is about right - the angle looks the same and the B GT and SWB are the same height.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1e97de00.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps97c00f62.jpg

Major differences are that the Ferrari door goes much further forward under the scuttle than the MG door does, and the angle of the door glass isn't quite the same. I think it could work, especially for those of us that don't really like modern donors...

Oh, nearly forgot, anyone know if the B GT roof is structural? I'm thinking cut it short to match the length of the Ferrari roof and graft on a fibreglass panel to give the right angle at the back end.

Mitchelkitman 25th November 2013 21:13

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 49041)
Having done a bit of surfing I reckon the gt screen is about right - the angle looks the same and the B GT and SWB are the same height.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1e97de00.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps97c00f62.jpg


Oh, nearly forgot, anyone know if the B GT roof is structural? I'm thinking cut it short to match the length of the Ferrari roof and graft on a fibreglass panel to give the right angle at the back end.

I'd think if that was done it would be an IVA test. Nice donor though (in terms of chrome and parts availability if not modernity)

Mister Towed 25th November 2013 21:44

And here's the, ahem, perfect donor -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1965-MGB-R...item43c1ce8972


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