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hurnleft 18th December 2014 16:46

The Kebab
 
Hi, It's time to introduce myself and my project.
I've been a serial classic/kit car/hot rod/motorbike owner for the last 40 years owning cars such as V8 Austin A30, Chopped Ford Pop, replica Ford Model A roadster, B roadster, A pickup, Ford model A pickup on a Beetle floorpan, Lowered tuned Renault 4, Triumph Renown with V6 and until earlier this year a !956 International Harvester with Jaguar running gear.
I've never had any mechanical ability but it never stopped me as I can visualise a look I'm trying to achieve and find the parts to get there. I see myself more as a project manager.
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Time for a new project and a new direction. So I looked on this site and bought a 2.8 Z3, nicknamed by our car club as 'The Kebab' as it's only a Doner… yes, I know, daft but we are a pretty daft little group.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...0&pictureid=83
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...0&pictureid=84

It looks good in the pictures but is a '10 yard' car, the paint is not great and the hood has small holes. Perfect as they'll be going anyway.

A trip to see Chris has ended with me being booked for a 250 swb conversion in the Spring.

Another web site I go on has several members who are good at photoshop so I put in a few of my paint & detail ideas up to see if they could do a likeness to help me pick a plan. It's not produced anything sensible yet, but I do love this idea. The number of purists you could really offend would make all the work worthwhile.
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...0&pictureid=85

Now the fun starts, I can make a shopping list of lights, mirrors etc to take down at conversion time. I'd still like someone who can do photoshop to picture my colour and wheel choice ideas if anyone here can.

All the best for Christmas and the New Year. I'll write more when things start to happen. (I did buy a service kit and a tyre today. Not exciting but best to get the basics sorted first.

Cheers, Bob.

Paul L 18th December 2014 20:34

Bob - You have certainly owned some very nice cars in your time. :cool:

It looks like your 250 SWB project is really going to turn heads.

Good luck, Paul. :)

landmannnn 18th December 2014 21:16

and you won't find many purists on here!

redratbike 18th December 2014 22:22

So what is your colour and wheel choice??.

hurnleft 18th December 2014 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 62082)
So what is your colour and wheel choice??.

I'm thinking old english white although that may change when I get the car with it's white gel coat shell.
Wheels, subject very much to cost, preferably 17" Salt Flats style alloys or perhaps banded 17" steels.

Once the kit is on, I'll sort the wheels and they will decide on the rest of the style I go for.

Most of my other cars have been stuck in a workshop until finished. It will be nice for me (and my wallet) to be able to do this in stages and drive it in between.

Cheers, Bob.

Mister Towed 19th December 2014 09:45

Love the Renault 4 on Gordini rims, did it have the turbo drivetrain too?

Also like the Mexican lowrider look on the 250SWB (to my surprise), got to be possible to 'bag the suspension and cause a few heart attacks at Goodwood Revival Members Club when one of Ferrari's finest does an absurd lean and hop routine at the breakfast meet. :)

Looking forward to seeing this one come together and I think old English white will look great.

hurnleft 19th December 2014 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 62101)
Love the Renault 4 on Gordini rims, did it have the turbo drivetrain too?

Also like the Mexican lowrider look on the 250SWB (to my surprise), got to be possible to 'bag the suspension and cause a few heart attacks at Goodwood Revival Members Club when one of Ferrari's finest does an absurd lean and hop routine at the breakfast meet. :)

Looking forward to seeing this one come together and I think old English white will look great.

Hi Mr Towed,
Thanks for your comments. I love your lowrider idea, but perhaps I'll leave it for the next one!
I did by the running gear from a Gordini Turbo but it was an unknown quantity and as the car already ran a 5TS 1300cc engine which was quick and very economical, I didn't use it.

Cheers, Bob.

hurnleft 1st January 2015 15:15

Hi all and a happy and peaceful New Year to you.

Sorted my deposit check today to reserve an early kit and workshop slot.

Bought the new number plates MIG1807 which should look much better, especially when on 'show only' black and silver plates.

Just waiting the confirmation from Chris on a couple of parts questions, then I can order all the parts needed for phase 1.

Car is in a friend's workshop next week for a full service and a good check through to make sure all is ok before we start.

More updates when things get going.

Cheers, Bob.

Pandora 2nd January 2015 15:38

Rover V8 in an A30.
Good idea?
Discus..........

:0)

Al

landmannnn 2nd January 2015 17:41

mmm...

Doable, might need some upgrades to the brakes/suspension/steering/body.

WorldClassAccident 2nd January 2015 18:40

Rover V8 in an A30.
Good idea?
Discus..........

:0)


mmm...

Doable, might need some upgrades to the brakes/suspension/steering/body.


And you would need either a turbo or supercharger!

Pandora 2nd January 2015 18:54

Actually, my pal had an A30 with a 1275 on midget wires and disks. Even that seemed to want to go sideways at the mildest provocation.

It was great!

Al

hurnleft 2nd January 2015 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldClassAccident (Post 62380)
Rover V8 in an A30.
Good idea?
Discus..........

:0)


mmm...

Doable, might need some upgrades to the brakes/suspension/steering/body.


And you would need either a turbo or supercharger!

Under the standard body was a box section frame with Granada suspension so it stopped well and handled reasonably. The chap I bought it from would tow a large caravan to the hot rod nationals, do the burnout competition until the (spare) tyres burst then at the end of the weekend, hook up the caravan again in drive home. It was certainly reliable and enormous fun.
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Tribute Automotive 14th January 2015 21:44

Hi Bob,

Here's how your rear light option may look:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps003fae55.jpg

Very Aston. Should only take a couple of hours to amend the kit before we fit it.

hurnleft 14th January 2015 22:38

Thanks, I like that, they're certainly going in the box to come down with me.
Bob.
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Pandora 14th January 2015 22:55

Can I ask what those lights are from?
Sunbeam Alpine?

Al

hurnleft 15th January 2015 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora (Post 62725)
Can I ask what those lights are from?
Sunbeam Alpine?

Al

Hi Al, They are from a Sunbeam Rapier and some early 'series' Minx and Gazelle.
Lucas L572

Cheers, Bob.

Pandora 15th January 2015 18:54

Ta, I thought they looked 'Rootes Group'

Al

hurnleft 15th January 2015 20:36

Bits are starting to arrive now ready for the big change.
So far as well as the rear lights, I have the rear window, door and boot handles, boot catch and washer jets. Front and other lights will come from Newark Autojumble in a couple of weeks.

Chris…if you get the chance could you measure the roof vent size so I can look for a suitable brake light. Also please let me know if I need to sort a fuel cap.

I've also bought this wheel from a mate who, as if so often the case, bought it for a project which he moved on without fitting it. He's since bought the wheel back from me as it's too modern for my plans.

Bob.
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mobilerobbie 18th January 2015 13:05

what rear window is used in the 250SWB kit?

froggyman 18th January 2015 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilerobbie (Post 62780)
what rear window is used in the 250swb kit?

mgb gt

seanick 18th January 2015 15:18

Renault 5

hurnleft 18th January 2015 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by froggyman (Post 62781)
mgb gt

Yes, it's MGB GT. Mines here ready.

Bob.

Tribute Automotive 18th January 2015 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanick (Post 62786)
Renault 5

Nick, go to the back of the class and stand in the corner, the R5 window is for the MX250 not the 250SWB :madgrin:

seanick 18th January 2015 21:26

Tut tut, must pay attention!

hurnleft 25th January 2015 19:56

I've been buying more parts today.
In spite of deciding that I was going to use the Rapier rear lights, the more I've looked at photos of the Stirling Moss car the more I fancy his dark blue colour and a more original style (hard to admit for a hot rodder), but final decision will be made by holding them up to the car when I go down to Chris.
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I've bought-
Headlight units,
White front indicators, red and orange rear lights, all Lucas L539.
Round rear reflectors because the rectangular originals always jar with the rest of the lights.
Round side flashers and round number plate light.
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...&pictureid=166
I'll buy another pair of clear L539 lights later to be reverse and rear fog (with red bulb), when I've decided where to fit them.

I was going to buy headlight rims but need to know if I need the splayed Morris Minor type of the straight type to fit with the body lines.

Cheers, Bob.

Tribute Automotive 27th January 2015 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurnleft (Post 62983)
I was going to buy headlight rims but need to know if I need the splayed Morris Minor type of the straight type to fit with the body lines.

They are the slayed Morris Minor type. I have some lovely rusty ones to go on my own Rat Look SWB.

hurnleft 27th January 2015 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 63038)
They are the slayed Morris Minor type. I have some lovely rusty ones to go on my own Rat Look SWB.

Thanks Chris, I'll get some this weekend.

A couple more questions are.
I assume I need a Monza type fuel cap. If so should I get a 2" or 2 1/2" neck fitting.

What is the size of the roof vent. I'd like to find a high level brake light to fit in there.

Cheers, Bob.

Tribute Automotive 27th January 2015 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurnleft (Post 63042)
Thanks Chris, I'll get some this weekend.

A couple more questions are.
I assume I need a Monza type fuel cap. If so should I get a 2" or 2 1/2" neck fitting.

What is the size of the roof vent. I'd like to find a high level brake light to fit in there.

Cheers, Bob.

I will check the size of the roof vent tomorrow for you. I will also give you a neck size of the Z3 tank (think it's 51mm but will confirm) then you can speak to Car Builder Solutions, very helpful people, about flexible filler hose and whichever cap you want to use:

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/u...er-hose-51mm-2

They can advise on adaptors to fit the pipe to the existing neck etc.

Tribute Automotive 28th January 2015 22:16

The roof vent will take a 240mm x 25mm 3rd brake light.

The BMW filler neck, once the cap retaining ring is removed, is 63mm outside diameter and 55mm inside.

y cymro 29th January 2015 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 63070)
The roof vent will take a 240mm x 25mm 3rd brake light.

The BMW filler neck, once the cap retaining ring is removed, is 63mm outside diameter and 55mm inside.

Chris, I've not yet seen this assembly. Assuming pipe is required to fit over the existing fitting, then please confirm that 63mm ID pipe required to fit a remote filler, or does the BMW fitting remove meaning 55mm ID is required?
Thanks, Steve

hurnleft 29th January 2015 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 63084)
Chris, I've not yet seen this assembly. Assuming pipe is required to fit over the existing fitting, then please confirm that 63mm ID pipe required to fit a remote filler, or does the BMW fitting remove meaning 55mm ID is required?
Thanks, Steve

Also Chris, Am I best to get a cap with a mounting that screws to the bodywork (not sure how this will work on curved panels) or something that has a rubber seal where the neck domes through the body (like a Mini)

Thanks Bob.

Tribute Automotive 30th January 2015 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 63084)
Chris, I've not yet seen this assembly. Assuming pipe is required to fit over the existing fitting, then please confirm that 63mm ID pipe required to fit a remote filler, or does the BMW fitting remove meaning 55mm ID is required?
Thanks, Steve

Hi Steve. The Z3 has a plastic tank and filler neck. The filler neck is fitted with a steel ring which the cap locks into. The ring can be removed with a pair of mole grips after drilling out one pop rivet from a small retaining strap. This leaves you with a neck that is 63mm OD and 55mm ID.

CBS have sold some of our Kobra customers a "kit" of parts to extend the filler neck, which I believe consists of flexi hose, an alloy sleeve that fits inside the Z3 neck, epoxy to glue the sleeve in, hose clips, a cap of your choice.

Tribute Automotive 30th January 2015 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurnleft (Post 63085)
Also Chris, Am I best to get a cap with a mounting that screws to the bodywork (not sure how this will work on curved panels) or something that has a rubber seal where the neck domes through the body (like a Mini)

Thanks Bob.

Hi Bob. We have a small mould that produces an inset panel that will take a large Monza cap on a curved wing.

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/u...y-fuel-cap-kit

hurnleft 2nd February 2015 12:30

Not much different at this stage obviously, but the number plate change went smoothly.
Sorting out the fuel neck parts next.
Bob.
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y cymro 2nd February 2015 13:56

Hi Bob
The numberplate looks good - especially when on a black background :wink:
Where did you buy the Lucas L539 lamp units from?
cheers
Steve

hurnleft 2nd February 2015 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 63185)
Hi Bob
The numberplate looks good - especially when on a black background :wink:
Where did you buy the Lucas L539 lamp units from?
cheers
Steve

Hi Steve,
There will be black background plates to follow later. For shows only, of course.

The lights were all bought from a stall at Newark Autojumble (Lincolnshire)
I will be going again on March 8th as I need to get a couple more and some Morris 1000 type headlight rims. I think they were £25-£30 pair but I got a bit off as I bought all the lights together.I paid £150 for all the lights in the picture. I can get you his number or get some on your behalf and post them on if you like.

Cheers, Bob.

y cymro 2nd February 2015 23:33

Thanks for your generous offer.
Cheers
Steve

hurnleft 10th February 2015 16:45

Had a delivery of parts today from Car Builder Solutions.
They've sorted the parts to connect the BMW petrol filler neck to a new cap.
I'll list the part numbers as they may be useful to others.

The cap I chose was AST100, an Aston style locking flip top.

Other parts were
FFF51- ULTRA FLEXIBLE FUEL FILLER HOSE 51mm (2 feet)
POLY - BLACK POLYURETHANE ADHESIVE/SEALANT
ALIT50 - 50mm OD ALUMINIUM TUBE 0.19metre. beaded at one end
H45ZN - 2x HOSE CLIP 45-60mm

Cheers, Bob.

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hurnleft 16th February 2015 15:31

I've gone back to plan A of many when it comes to the wheels.
I've just bought a set of BMW 7.5" x 17" steels which will be finished off in D Type Jaguar racing alloys style but using false knock ons.
If it looks ok it will also mean that I can use the good types I already have and the speedo will read right.

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http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...&pictureid=211
Cheers, Bob.


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