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wozzy 7th November 2018 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr G (Post 97520)
so worth £1800 and a half eaten snickers lol

I spoke to him when it was on at starting bid £2200, he was trying to convince me that you cannot buy these anymore . He also says he has a genuine rear screen for it haha.
when i pointed out that you can still buy the kit he hung up on me.
He actually thinks that it does not need much doing to finish it off.
It has not really been started.
its not worth that much to be honest as it's only the kit you are buying and that is not looking great.
With all the extra's i think you will be into stupid money, would be cheaper to buy a kit and a car separate as you will at least know what you are getting.

Nostromo 7th November 2018 19:18

I really don't get why he couldn't have put the wheel on. It looks a little bit sad doesn't it. Apart from the bumper looking like its been fitted to the crash bar, its barely been started so nowhere near nearly complete. As Wozzy has said, its all available through a different company now and for all you know, the MR2 underneath might be completely rotten. Also, if it has 61000km on the clock, this may indicate its a jap import so no lsd.

wozzy 7th November 2018 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostromo (Post 97522)
I really don't get why he couldn't have put the wheel on. It looks a little bit sad doesn't it. Apart from the bumper looking like its been fitted to the crash bar, its barely been started so nowhere near nearly complete. As Wozzy has said, its all available through a different company now and for all you know, the MR2 underneath might be completely rotten. Also, if it has 61000km on the clock, this may indicate its a jap import so no lsd.

There could be insurance issues also

SwiftyDS 7th November 2018 20:17

I guess like any used car, particularly a project car or part built kit, it’s worth what the buyer is prepared to pay. I agree with Wozzy and Nostromo that it could be shown in a better light particularly with the wheels.

Mr G 7th November 2018 20:30

when I first seen it is thought cool project but then seeing it on eBay for so long and nothing getting done made me think it's a lemon

wozzy 7th November 2018 20:40

If you want a kit i can give you the phone number of the guy who now owns the moulds

wozzy 7th November 2018 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr G (Post 97525)
when I first seen it is thought cool project but then seeing it on eBay for so long and nothing getting done made me think it's a lemon

The kit is the only thing of value, and that is not great, it would have to be very cheap as you can get a new kit for around £2500

Mr G 7th November 2018 20:48

am waiting on a cheque to come thru hopefully in the next 6 weeks or there abouts some numpty thought it would be fun to reverse out of a parking space without looking and nearly turned our car over lol so looking at either mx5 or mr2 Base kit prefer convertible but open to good advice

SwiftyDS 8th November 2018 07:21

Windscreen pillars are now bonded on. Bit more of a challenge clamping these down due to the angles, but seemed to help with alignment that mine were split from the roof panel when my kit was delivered.

https://image.ibb.co/h0SxtV/09-E6902...25-EB3-D84.jpg

Used expanding foam to fill the roof void and also the inner void between the screen pillars and MR2 screen surround. Just need to fill and prime the join each side to the roof panel and refit the windscreen rubber then it’s onto the doors.

https://image.ibb.co/mqHGLA/2011447-...CF92-F34-F.jpg

In the image below the drivers door skin needs raising slightly when it gets bonded on. Panel gaps aren’t too bad with this lined up, but a bit more work to do on lining up the door skin on the passenger side.

https://image.ibb.co/khYvDV/2-CB030-...-C5-D853-F.jpg

wozzy 8th November 2018 10:27

That's looking good. i bet you cant wait to get it finished now.

SwiftyDS 8th November 2018 17:31

Yep. Really enjoyed driving the MR2 before I stripped it to build the kit. Hopefully not long now but I know the door skins and mirrors can be a pain.

At least the door skins are all cut and lined up roughly so it’s really just bonding them and fitting the brackets to the inside of the MR2 door to support the bottom edge where it was cut down.

SwiftyDS 12th November 2018 11:39

Managed to spend a couple of hours over the weekend filling the join between the roof panel and screen pillars. Couple of coats of white primer and I was ready to refit the windscreen rubber.

https://image.ibb.co/hvtuyV/7-F5457-...ECB37-C757.jpg

Profile of the windscreen rubber is better now following the fettling of the screen surround edges.

https://image.ibb.co/cbm8QA/F310369-...5-D307-CF3.jpg

The sunstrip logo has been on so long now I’m getting a bit bored of it! Think I may end up changing it before I finish. There is a nice RS200 logo in blue with ford logos either side on one of the real RS200s that I may try and have a go at copying but the door skins need my attention first!

https://image.ibb.co/d7veXq/30-E5570...D3489-C289.jpg

In between coats of primer I decided I would bolt in the clam grilles rather than stick with the thin cable ties I had used so far. Went for M4 cross head bolts in black which are just about hidden by the rubber edge strip.

https://image.ibb.co/eGRQ5A/D030-E56...99-B71-E58.jpg

They are in pretty solid now so will do until I get round to painting the car.

https://image.ibb.co/bwNnJV/00531728...-DAE4-B6-F.jpg

I did manage to make a start on the doors, focusing on the brackets to support the bottom edge of the MR2 door where the lower edge had been cut away. Bonded/glassed these in and once I’ve finished an inner support panel each side for the inside of the door skin where the top bolt for the mirror pillar sits I will be just about ready to bond the skins on each side. I will also drill the holes for the Perspex side windows whilst the door skins are off so these are done before they are bonded on.

wozzy 12th November 2018 11:59

Looking really good, what did you use around the mesh ?

SwiftyDS 12th November 2018 12:15

Cheers Wozzy.

It’s 5 or 6mm rubber strip with a really small profile (I’ll check the order paperwork but think it’s about 1or 2mm only the profile). It pretty much grips the edge of the mesh itself but I put a couple of dabs of Gorilla gel glue on it just to make sure.

With it in place on the clam there isn’t really anywhere for the rubber edging to move so hopefully it should stay put.

wozzy 12th November 2018 14:34

It finishes it off nicely

SwiftyDS 19th November 2018 18:08

Bit of a frustrating week on the doors, mirrors and side windows. All started off swimmingly well with the drivers door - all lined up, brackets working great to reinforce where the MR2 door skin is cut down and eaves protector plastic used to create a new base for the door.

https://image.ibb.co/kMY3aL/CED2-A35...CC675-D189.jpg

Panel gaps not too bad and close to the original which left a lot to be desired I know!

https://image.ibb.co/jfQ220/9-D02-BF...1-D3913-A8.jpg

These are the adjustable brackets I used to push out the lower outer door skin after it was cut away for the door skin to cover. These have been bolted or bonded inside the MR2 - bolts on the inner door panel and bonded to the inside of the outer skin.

https://image.ibb.co/hWSbUf/9-A67-E2...706-B1-C65.jpg

The bottom of the MR2 door is the recovered in a piece of plastic bonded/glassed in place and made from eaves protectors.

https://image.ibb.co/cR3TaL/94-E3-A5...0-E5960-AC.jpg

Before bonding the MRS200 door skin on I started to fit the Sierra door mirror, cutting the mounting pillars down first. I planned to bolt the bottom two pillars through the MR2 door skin and thought this would be enough given the top edge of the plinth rested against the door skin. Bad move as there was no way I would get a bolt or nut the other side of the skin. So plan B came into play and I am glassing in an ally corner piece to which the mirror will be bolted.

Here’s the template and just waiting for some more ally sheet to arrive in the next few days.

https://image.ibb.co/jVXzh0/733664-A...8-D7650-C1.jpg

Many thanks to Nathanial the now owner of Andy’s original prototype car for sending me photos of how the Sierra mirrors were fitted to that one.

So while waiting for the ally sheet to arrive I painted the bonnet wing support pieces that I had already made and fitted from Perspex and also got round to buying an adjustable bonnet support as I decided I wouldn’t fit anything permanent under the bonnet.

https://image.ibb.co/fc2oaL/67-AEDCF...DC6-C835-B.jpg

I have decided to use rivnuts to bolt the Perspex side windows through and drilled these out today. Thanks Nostromo for the pictures of how you fitted yours. I will wait until the ally sheet is in before cutting the Perspex down for the corner piece where the mirror fits and then at least for the drivers door the bonding of the skin will be the final piece.

I say at least for the drivers door .... well the passenger side is another matter and I’m beginning to think the whole passenger side of the car is the ugly sister of the drivers side!

I spent most of this afternoon fettling the passenger door skin to try to get a better fit. The upper edge where it meets the roof line is fine at the rear of the door and a nice gap to the windscreen pillar but along the top edge for about 30cm where it meets the windscreen to halfway along the window top there is a huge gap.

I need to get some heat on the metal framework that surrounds the top edge of the door skin to see if I can reshape it otherwise I can see I will be taking the cutting disk to it and trying to reshape it with glass fibre.

More on that one soon.....

wozzy 19th November 2018 18:31

Good work there, keep it up.
The passenger side is a nightmare to line up. if you check the sills there is around 10mm difference. This then throws the door out. There is quite a large gap to the bonnet from the door providing you have the wheel arch running through.


I have just made a start on mocking Badrep up with the kit. I think i am going to end up cutting the sill so it has the same length as the drivers side.

Can you please let me know what the height is from the top of the bumper to the ground as i have not been supplied with the front bumper metalwork.
Cheers

SwiftyDS 19th November 2018 20:37

Thanks Wozzy. Yes I had the same on the sills - tried to even it out and also adjust bonnet edge that side but it’s the top edge of the door frame that’s really out.

Will get you the measurement for the bumper in the morning now. Just remember mine is still on std springs and 17” wheels (coilovers are still to be fitted) and I did move the supplied front bumper bar down a good 25-30mm from how it was supplied (to try to remove the sagging in the middle look you seem to get as standard as you look front to back at the car).

SwiftyDS 20th November 2018 08:33

Wozzy - measuring the drivers side at the wheel arch it’s 523mm from floor to the top edge of the bumper where it joins the bonnet.

Hope that makes sense - shout if you need more measurements

SwiftyDS 20th November 2018 15:46

Managed to get the passenger door skin into a better shape today, thanks to applying some heat to the metalwork and bending it into shape. When I looked closer there were also a couple of places on the edges of the windscreen pillars and rear edge of the door where the fibreglass was catching on the door skin.

I had made adjustments for the sill on the passenger side (see Wozzy’s comments above) and needed to trim the bonnet edge back slightly to line up and also allow the door to open without catching. There is more of a gap at the bottom edge of the door on this side and the trailing edge where it meets the clam/sill, which once I’ve got the skins bonded on I will close up with fibreglass and filler. The bottom edge of the drivers door also needs the gap reducing.

https://image.ibb.co/ghcz2A/19-C2-F5...-D7-C9-D48.jpg

Support brackets are now bonded in on the passenger side and the ally sheet arrived today, so tomorrow’s job is to fabricate the mirror support plinths and glass these in on both door skins.

wozzy 20th November 2018 16:45

Looking good Dave

cheers for the measurements

Redandy 21st November 2018 12:23

to remove the apparent sag, you'll need to modify the front crash bar.

The top of the new bumper runs parallel with the ground, but it SHOULD be the bottom that is parallel. The top should follow the channel in the door., if you follow me.

to fit as supplied it looks a little piggy nose up. mounting as supplied is much easier though.

keep up the good work chaps.

SwiftyDS 21st November 2018 15:37

Thanks Andy and good to hear from you. Yes I did adjust the mounting points for the crash bar to lower it quite a bit (about 30mm if I remember possibly a bit more). It was enough that one of the mounting holes was lost where it was lower down.

I also fabricated brackets at the rear of the front bumper in the wheel arch area to pull this edge up as it tends to droop/sag down relative to the front of the bumper. Overall there is a nice flowing line downwards looking at the channel from the back clam/sill area towards the front bumper

SwiftyDS 21st November 2018 17:47

Sorted out the mirror mount this afternoon on the drivers door. Ally panel that is bonded and glassed in to the inner edge of the door skin and the metal work that strengthens the top of the door frame. The plinths on the Sierra mirror are cut down with the top plinth bolting through the ally panel and a bracket attached inside the mirror frame for the lower fixing.

https://image.ibb.co/mSX3VV/96-C21-E...4-B2-CB090.jpg

Quite pleased with the result.

Cut down the Perspex side windows for the mirror housing and attached these with M4 bolts and rivnuts.

https://image.ibb.co/iwg0cA/592163-E...F00-CC3-D0.jpg

The side windows really stiffen up the upper part of the door skin.

https://image.ibb.co/i0FbHA/7-E50-AE...24-FCD23-F.jpg

I want to add a rubber strip to the bottom edge of the Perspex and also paint the inner edge black where it sits against the door skin. Oh and the protective covering the windows came with are still stuck on under the little window runner strips so they need to come off.

Next job is to repeat this on the passenger side and then take the windows and mirrors off to bond the skins on to the MR2 doors - but everything is all lined up now so that should be the easy part. Wishful thinking anyway ....

SwiftyDS 23rd November 2018 07:38

Didn’t get time to work on the car yesterday, but I did get a lovely surprise when an early Christmas present from my wife arrived in the post......

https://image.ibb.co/jHC14q/03-E2696...DFB3049-A7.jpg

A brand new set of rear lights!

https://image.ibb.co/gGVtHA/724480-A...4-E60-E8-E.jpg

I’m torn now between leaving the set on I have to get it through the MOT and save the new set until it’s painted or put them on now. There are a few cracks in the secondhand set I have on now, but nothing serious enough for an MOT fail.

SwiftyDS 23rd November 2018 14:31

I managed to spend an hour on the car earlier this afternoon. I had some 15mm rubber channel strip that I’ve fitted to the drivers side window - will wait to decide whether this is OK until I’ve painted the inner edge of the Perspex black but doesn’t look too bad.

https://image.ibb.co/eqPceq/72-ABAAD...4-D6-F8-F0.jpg

I made a start on the passenger mirror and Perspex side window. Mirror ally support glassed in and mirror fitted. Side window cut down but ran out of time to drill and bolt this in.

https://image.ibb.co/bLptKq/28-EA8-E...-E7-BADC25.jpg

Nostromo 23rd November 2018 14:57

Those mirrors look great Dave!! Almost making me think I should have another go at the Mondeo ones I've got. I've not managed to get out on mine for ages :( great that you're managing to hammer onward! Keep it up!

SwiftyDS 23rd November 2018 17:25

Thanks Nick. Not sure how the Mondeo ones attach but the pillars/plinths on the Sierra ones weren’t too difficult to cut down and then add some bracket work to raise the mounting points for the lower two.

You’ve already got the corner piece done on yours so might be worth offering them up and see how close you are.

SwiftyDS 25th November 2018 10:19

A couple of fellow builders have asked for some photos of the changes I made to the Sierra mirror mounting points and the quarter panel mounting glassed into the door skin.

I will take a couple of close up pictures when I take the mirrors off tomorrow as the plan is to bond the drivers door skin on tomorrow and hopefully the passenger door on Wednesday or Thursday. Getting close now to being able to drive it again, albeit needing an MOT first and the coilovers fitting. Plus of course a long snagging list of little jobs that need finishing ....

SwiftyDS 26th November 2018 19:38

I started to take the mirrors and side windows off this afternoon to get ready to bond each door skin on. Ahead of that I took the window slider out of each side and removed the protective backing to the Perspex.

https://i.ibb.co/88py12r/CE2-D3-A99-...-F16-CE185.jpg

I also added the rubber strip to the bottom of the passenger side window.

https://i.ibb.co/SrJ16wn/8789-CEFF-1...-E87232-B3.jpg

Here are the close ups of the ally sheet used for the quarter panel that the mirrors attach to. Note that most of the strength from the fibreglass comes from the corner area and the steel support that runs around the upper window section. The fibreglass is wrapped around the steel support and seems to be quite solid.

https://i.ibb.co/zNmLFdC/9-A329672-0...-CF9-AFB83.jpg

It will be sprayed Matt black but I don’t plan to fill or smooth the fibreglass on the ally sheet as 99% of it is covered by the mirror plinth.

On the mirror itself you can see here how the bottom two supports have been cut right back, and a bracket bonded in above these to make the bolts accessible from the inside of the ally sheet. I used rivnuts bonded to the bracket to allow for bolts to be used into the mirror plinth.

https://i.ibb.co/NnKm6Zv/A69-C989-F-...F870-A5340.jpg

By the time I had faffed about with removing the protective backing off each side window and put them back on, then removed them again and the mirrors it was getting quite late and the temperature had dropped in the garage, so I decided it was probably a bit on the cold side to start bonding the drivers door skin and decided to put this off until Wednesday. Hopefully I will still get both door skins bonded on this week.

wozzy 27th November 2018 18:20

You seem to be making a lot of progress now Dave, it's moving along very quickly.
Keep the pics coming

SwiftyDS 27th November 2018 20:35

Thanks Wozzy - will do.

Should hopefully get the drivers door skin bonded on tomorrow.

SwiftyDS 28th November 2018 15:25

I bonded the drivers door skin on earlier today. Probably the most tense part of the build so far making sure it lined up and didnt’t drop or move as I clamped it down.

https://i.ibb.co/hsfDVvY/596-DB56-B-...44-E74-DA9.jpg

I did use a couple of tek screws in the bottom part of the metal work surrounding the window frame which are there for attaching the Perspex window to at the bottom of each corner. This gave me some security around it not dropping.

https://i.ibb.co/6FdFJ7Z/74-A78-B42-...5-CB8480-C.jpg

Fingers crossed for when the clamps come off tomorrow then it’s repeat for the passenger door then put everything back on (mirrors and windows, rubber seals) and link the door handles back up.

Welshkiwi 29th November 2018 02:39

Awesome work fella,
I am with you on the daunting part. The engineering bit I am happy with but when it gets to the dark art of glassing and bonding so much can go astray when not fully fledged in it. Practice tho makes perfect! Looks like you have done a fine job from the photos and been methodical in your actions. Top work!

SwiftyDS 29th November 2018 16:20

Thanks for the kind words Welshkiwi. I know what you mean about engineering vs bodywork and GRP. Engineering is pretty binary in so far as it works or it doesn’t. Bodywork is much more of a black art! I’m following your 275GTB build with great interest.

I got out to the garage this afternoon to bond the passenger door on. Those who’ve followed my build thread so far will be familiar with my comments on the passenger side of the kit being the ugly sister to the drivers side. I jest of course, but there are a number of places particularly the door skin and sills where things just don’t line up so well.

https://i.ibb.co/fFmmNT7/E98-AF98-B-...F186-F3-F7.jpg

I need to see what it looks like once the bonding sealant/adhesive dries overnight. It’s lined up as well as it can be, but I know I may need to so some trimming back of the trailing edge of the door tomorrow.

https://i.ibb.co/hmrfH7v/7-C25-D323-...C403086776.jpg

Before I started on the passenger door I took the clamps off the drivers door, and I was really pleased with the outcome. Overall no dropping and apart from an area in the lower rear of the door it’s all pretty straight. I used adjustable brackets to support the outer door skin where it was cut away at the base of the MR2 door specifically so I could go back later and make some finer adjustments of the outer skin. Will look at that tomorrow or over the weekend, but with the side window, mirror and door rubbers back in it feels really solid, closes smoothly and apart from a rubber door stop needed in the top rear corner it’s nearly there now.

https://i.ibb.co/vddb4VZ/0273-E5-A7-...F925-F2-AA.jpg
....

https://i.ibb.co/dtf4xB1/9-B7-D80-CF...9662-AA0-D.jpg

jones 29th November 2018 16:42

Good work, coming on well!

molleur 29th November 2018 17:51

Looks great!

SwiftyDS 30th November 2018 08:58

Thanks for the comments guys.

Just been out to take the clamps off the passenger door and it’s actually not too bad. Much better than I thought it was going to look like. As with the drivers door skin, there’s some adjustment needed on the lower edge which I can get through the adjustable clamps, and at the front edge of the door where it meets the sill there’s still too large a gap; I already adjusted this before fitting the sill as the passenger side of the kit is a bit out but will need some further filling.

Will get some pictures up hopefully later or tomorrow once the window and mirror is back on. Might even get to run it up and down the road outside of the house now both doors are on!

SwiftyDS 30th November 2018 21:09

Exactly two years to the day since my MRS200 kit arrived from Tribute I have hit another major milestone with all panels now bonded on, lights all wired up and several trips up and down the road outside my house....a private road of course given I still need to renew the MOT!

https://i.ibb.co/6mtmD7g/7645-B687-E...2-F2-A3-EF.jpg

The passenger side door skin turned out much better than expected and although they were only short runs on the road, I did get up to approx 30 mph without anything falling off.

https://i.ibb.co/GxXGHrV/E4720-C1-A-...A5-CB4-E36.jpg

There is still lots to do before booking the MOT, not least fitting the coilovers as I would rather get the ride height sorted first. It’s the front quarter view which shows the arch gaps up most at their worst.....

https://i.ibb.co/48sttk3/44-FCC9-F6-...-FD0-E3-A8.jpg

The panel gaps are pretty much there now, with just the area between the passenger side sill and rear clam needing adjustment. I’m undecided on the bottom edge if each door. I was going to fill this as the gap is greater than I expected. However looking at it on the road it doesn’t seem that far out and that’s maybe one I leave until I’m closer to paint.

https://i.ibb.co/xztkdkK/568-EF0-DC-...8-F43482-F.jpg

I would have to say I am pleasantly surprised and very pleased with how it’s turned out so far. Still some way to go, included getting it painted or attempting this myself, but feels close now to being road legal once again.

Oh and it has to be this view every time I open the garage doors that makes it all worthwhile.....

https://i.ibb.co/F7QK03b/9-C1-DC6-E1...6257-D84-C.jpg

molleur 30th November 2018 21:20

Fantastic!


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