Where Are We Going?
Hi Darren,
I’m barred from PistonHeads, but I’d love to enter into debate with you and I’m quite certain that your insight, as a manufacturer, will be welcome by others here. I’ve taken the liberty of re-posting what you said in that ‘exclusive’ environment. I hope that’s OK with you and with John. Would you be prepared to enter into debate here - on how your views might improve the lot of this industry? Den Quote:
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I like your thread title " Where are we going" ?, I would love to know from you, and others in the media,manufacturing, potential clients and more, where are we all going ? what do you think the kit industry is going to look like in 2010? - What new kitcar designs you invision - new donors - prices of kits - kitcar design concepts - potential markets - new niches - What needs to be inproved by manufacturers - media events - future trends That is enough for now :) Italo |
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That's his loss. I’ve nothing to be ashamed of…. Everything I said there turned out to be true. Even the chap who fronted most of the arguments against me has learnt the hard way. He rejected what I said…. purchased a kit from the person(s) I was warning about…. and finds himself with little more than a pile of scrap. Quote:
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Hardly much to debate IMO, Darren is pretty much spot on in his view. Been saying for a long time that we need 'new blood' and that means attracting people to both reading the mags and learning from manufacturers. One of the things I noticed at Goodwood was how many manufacturers were advertising their kits as a specialise 'built' car. |
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- We should be looking to new concepts, just like the new Onyx Mongoose, sell them as specialist built cars, or bespoke specialsit cars, because that is very close to what they really are, one-off sports cars. - Taylored for each customer as a bespoke suit. Improving the image means that, new kits should be friendlier to build by the potential customer, and improve customer service. - Create an association that will lobby, whatever event will show the best specialist kits. Events should be considered as a great venue for specialist kitcars. From race circuits, to historic events, that can create an interest for these cars. Manufacturers and media should meet and decide where they want to go next? whith what? how? and what is it that the specialised media can do for them. I'm under the impression that everyone is running this alone!, and by doing so this industry will eventually implode..... The media is paramount, if this industry can survive the downsizing and restructuring it's going through at tne moment. The media needs to create new projects designed to help manufacturters expand their potential client base.... Enough for the day :) |
I reckon if a few smaller companies got together and did a kit car display at some major petrolhead events like Goodwood, it would seriously improve the profile of the industry.
I know this has been said in the other thread, but kits need to be more modular and easier to assemble. Also the idea of taking a Saxo (etc) stripping it of the dash, engine, wiring loom etc and assembling the lot into a new body / kit would take the modular step one stage further and let the owner feel as if he has the same quality as he would from a production car. |
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Getting manufacturers to think and band together with others will be the difficult part..... |
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That’s why I posted Darren’s PH post in which he said “What i would like to see is an industry body, which is practically likely to come out from the magazines, that pushes the industry to a wider market.” I was hoping Darren might post here to elaborate and explain what he means. I’m particularly interested to know how it “is practically likely to come out from the magazines”. I would say though that industry bodies haven’t worked in the past. Sadly, they’ve been devisive and destructive. Den |
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I also still think you have a lot to add and that people would want to listen on these forums...... I don't miss the arguments as I too found them very stressful however I suspect we have all moved on from there. Quote:
HOWEVER I have to say your last sentance is entirelly acurate, I did reject your advice and I lost a lot of money and will be happy if I get £1 for the kit on ebay. Quote:
I'd have to agree with Mark, the inustry does need new blood..... My thoughts are that there are plenty of max power boys who spend more on modding their cars than our kits cost.... they also tend to lose all their cash on resale! maybe this is a market we should be trying to tap? How about some joint shows or something similar? As an ex boy racer (hounest) I once took my Ultima to the largest UK show and ran the quarter mile, I had loads of interest in the car and it even had pics published..... if some of these boys realised they could have a car like that or others for similar money to their 'modded' car and it be worth what they spent I'm sure there would be many converts. I do remember PH doing a joint show with a custom car organisation. |
sorry I thought this was a current topic didn't realise this was an old one.
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Hi Andy,
It might be an old thread, but your contribution moves us in the right direction. Better later than never. Regarding my ongoing ban from PH. Perhaps a few people should let PetrolTed know their feelings. I still visit PH regularly – as a spectator! Den |
I am new to the kit car scene, but from my own observations i can see the industry having issues in coming years, suitable donor cars are getting harder to find, how many sierra diffs/ford type 9 gearboxes are left etc... hell the scrappy near me hasnt got any RWD fords, iirc the only RWD cars he has are bmws.
With the lack of donor parts i can see it really limiting some builds, engines should be ok, even if manufactuers get silly with ECUs you can also go to a megasquirt/emerald for example, but it was drivetrain parts that i could see vanishing. |
Hi Eddy,
Nobody here disagrees with your evaluation of the problem. The debate centres on how best the industry can ‘take its next step’. My observation is that those next steps are being taken. For example, there are now at least 4 Mazda MX5 based kits. There are more BMW based kits in the pipeline. A few kits are available for modern FWD mechanical parts; like Marlin’s 5exi and the new Mongoose - more shall follow. As time goes on, these designs shall improve and others shall appear until some landmark is reached. I’ve got, probably, more interest in this industry’s success than anybody else on this forum. For my part, I’m confident that things are on the mend. Den |
Hi Andy.
What you up to now? New kit? |
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Kitcarman said: "There are more BMW based kits in the pipeline." So finally a more modern approach then Granada or even worse, pre war Jaguar donors. Interesting. Anyone of those BMW ones being a cobra replica? Tell us more! (whithout mentioning the existing P*****, please.) |
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It’s no secret that L&B cars of Belgium are working on their BMW based Anaconda Cobra replica. An Anaconda prototype chassis was seen at Stoneleigh 05. You want to know more - well, they’ve got a novel approach to marketing. They are actually designing and testing it first; then intend to sell it with claims based on factual observations/experiences. Revolutionary – hey? Den |
Well the L&B is a 3 series based kit, with a single donor you'd end up with a 2.5 litre straight six :( , however the single donor concept is no doubt the future.
The guys at Factoryfive sell more kit cars then most. Check out their approach at factoryfive.com. All you need is their kit and a single donor car then you have everything to complete your build! Pity them Mustangs aren't that common over here and then of course the taxes importing from non EU countries, say no more... |
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Interesting point you make there. Curiously, it’s exactly the same point as the proprietor of the unnameable product made in his magazine this month. Quote:
In your (familiar) style… Quote:
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As mentioned I have scrapped the kit I had and have started my own from scratch, I'm using new Porsche 996 hubs and hearings within new upights and have had suspension made to my own spec. It's definatelly a challenge designing a car from scratch, but I can see the end car well surpasing my previous Ultima with a bonus of it costing me less, so its definatelly worth it...... I've recently updated my site, I'd certainly welcolm your comments on the body. Probably not here though as its a bit of a thread hijak. |
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