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kon 24th September 2018 12:37

cant see the pics :(

Paul L 26th September 2018 16:25

I’m getting a ‘No entry’ sign where the photos should be. :icon_sad:

cbjroms 28th September 2018 12:04

Hopefully photos work now had to use Postimage!

Paul L 29th September 2018 11:35

As if my magic...

The photos appeared. :cool:

Looks like your build is gaining some momentum, so keep at it.

Good luck, Paul. :)

cbjroms 23rd November 2018 14:36

I feel that I have made some good progress over the last few months and am starting to think about fitting the screen.

Laying the screen across the front scuttle suggests that it is a bit wider than I would have expected. But then I think to myself that this being a Sammio modifications are almost inevitable. Cant see me chopping off the ends (!!) but maybe the curve needs to be sharepend-up?

https://i.postimg.cc/GttNj1X8/file.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/NFnnJPnN/file1-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/tC1wZp18/file2-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/VsZ2kdNj/file3.jpg

As always, I would be grateful for any tips and tricks that anyone can give me on this.

Mister Towed 23rd November 2018 19:08

Hi CBJ, put down the hacksaw and step away from the Sammio. Don't cut the ends off the screen!

The screen and its base are both flexible and need to be pulled in at the ends to narrow the overall width. That will make it fit across the width of the car, make the angle of the screen steeper and bend the base into the correct shape to snugly fit over the contours of the body.

I pinned mine at one end with a self-tapper then compressed the other end to see if it sat right. It took two or three attempts to get it exactly right, then I used 'well nuts' along its length to bolt the screen frame down onto the body without needing access to the underside of the bulkhead. They have the added bonus of providing some shock absorbtion.

I do hope that all makes sense.

Barber 23rd November 2018 20:11

Again, the value of madabout to aid those who need help, and the generosity of those who have trod the path already, giving rapid, useful advice. This forum is brilliant. Less than 5 hours to get the answer.

lancelot link 23rd November 2018 20:27

You can start by affixing the centre of the screen and work outwards going left and then right , left again then right working out each time and pulling it into place as you go ...as has been said , the curve needs profiling into shape ...

micky1mo 25th November 2018 20:13

It looks like you'v already fitted the windscreen to the windscreen surround making the whole thing quite ridged.
You might find it easier if you separating the windscreen surround and the windscreen.
Fit the surround as suggested by Mister Towed and Lancelot Link, then (after it's fixed securely) bolt or screw the windscreen to the surround. :nod:

cbjroms 25th November 2018 20:44

Thanks everyone

swifty 5th December 2018 21:07

Not sure if you have finished the screen mounting but if you go to my build swifty navigator page 21 you will see how I approached the screen.

Mister Towed 6th December 2018 08:28

Try post 536 on my build thread if you want to see how I managed mine.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...t=3113&page=27

cbjroms 6th December 2018 13:46

Thanks Towed, your build thread reamins my 'go-to' reference. But I had missed your screen discussions. Keep thinking of going the same way as you with the dash but then revert back to sticking with the supplied dash due to simplicity.

cbjroms 6th December 2018 13:47

Thanks Swifty, your build covers the way I would dearly like to finish my car but your skills are in a different league to mine.

Mister Towed 6th December 2018 15:17

Glad you're still finding my build thread useful after all this time. The 550 dash wasn't particularly difficult to fit and I liked it so much I've actually sourced another one for my 356 Speedster. It'll need stretching to match the cockpit width, just like on the Spyder, but will be well worth the effort and leave me with a unique look (again). The plan is to make it look like a Wendler prototype...

lancelot link 6th December 2018 21:27

I can do a Formosa dash that will be wide enough for the Sammio as it is a stretched 356 fundamentally ..

cbjroms 10th December 2018 17:18

I am looking for some advice as to the lines of the car moving forward from the front of the cockpit through the bonnet.

The images below will hopefully show what I mean. The first and last photos show where a straight edge exists between the side of the cockit and along into the bonnet. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th photos show where there is a significant gap between a straight edge.

https://i.postimg.cc/B6tSSmCr/IMG-0451.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/0jT2H7DL/IMG-0443.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FKrFqrks/IMG-0445.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/dVmt4k1x/IMG-0447.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/02SNKHqx/IMG-0449.jpg

I had intended, as you will see, to build shoulder of the scuttle/bonnet up so that the line is flat. But now it seems that alot of filling wil be required and I cant make up my mind as to whether it will actually benefit or even spoil the look of the car.

All opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Mitchelkitman 10th December 2018 17:45

Modify the 'straight bit' to match the rest?
It may work, and once the body is painted (unless someone puts a straight edge to such areas) may not be noticeable anyway.

Mister Towed 10th December 2018 19:17

This isn't meant to be a criticism whatsoever, but there's no such thing as a straight edge, true radius or the slightest kind of symmetry about a Sammio body shell, and they're none the worse for it.

you could put a huge amount of effort into trying to get the shell 'straight' and/or symmetrical, but it'd be easier and quicker to get the House of Commons to agree a Brexit deal.

I'd recommend you make a few changes to things that might irritate you - I took a flat area out of the off-side front wheel arch and built up the passenger side cockpit edge because there was a noticeable dip - but don't sweat too much about the overall shape, just finish it, paint it and enjoy it for what it is, a homage to the racing cars of the 1950's that looks a million dollars and turns heads like nothing else on wheels.

Lucky@LeMans 10th December 2018 21:53

Don't worry about it too much. Filler where required to even things up . If you try to make everything symmetrical you will be chasing your tail. I've found some errors on my ali body 250 TR having taken some measurements but you would have to measure the car to spot the difference from left to right.

Yorkshireman 10th December 2018 22:55

For me it’s the gapping of the panels and there shape that I am concentrating on. As you can’t see both sides of the car at the same time. I was also pointed out by some body shop guys that many 1950s and some 1960s cars weren’t the same size panels on both sides including a Italian prancing horse.

Paul L 12th December 2018 19:53

Chris - This is quite a tricky one to answer.

On the one hand, most people will not notice the imperfections in the first place.
(Especially when all the body work is one colour.)

On the other hand, if it really bothers you now, it is likely to still bother you going forward.

In the end, I made my peace with the fact that I just couldn't achieve a profession standard of bodywork on my build. :rolleyes:

That is not to say I didn't spend a LOT of time trying to get everything as good as I possibly could.

But in the end, it came down to me wanting to get the car on the road more than spending even longer trying to achieve perfection.

Whilst I can still point out every fault that I didn't fix, there is no need to as no one else cares. :D

As always, your car, your choice.

Good luck, Paul. :)

davecymru 16th December 2018 12:20

Straigt lines.... Sammio.... :rofl:


Sorry, no offence meant, but given that i built one and i've been in the same position as you, i know what you're going through and all the best of luck with whatever you do!


Straight lines... classic!

cbjroms 16th December 2018 18:51

None taken davecymru.

I guess my question was really about whether my bonnet is 'good enough'. I am very happy to follow the sammio collective on this.

Thanks again all.

Paul L 21st December 2018 07:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjroms (Post 98141)
… I guess my question was really about whether my bonnet is 'good enough'…

In that case, I’d suggest a quick coat of etch primer to cover all the body work you have done so far.

Then, when the whole front end is a single colour, your eyes will be drawn to any areas that look ‘wrong’.

I know my own patchwork quilt of original car, new fibreglass and body filler looked worst than it was before paint.

Good luck, Paul. :)

cbjroms 14th February 2019 15:30

Another question on bodywork. What is the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to build-up the glass fibe bodywork? I have areas that I want to build-up by 20mm and given they are quite large this will require alot of body filler. Not sure how strong a thick layer of filler will be. So wondering about using some bits of the Sammio that I have cut-off (oops - hope none of them were important!!) cutting them into rectangles, sticking them to the panel and putting filler around. Any thoughts?

molleur 14th February 2019 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjroms (Post 99129)
Another question on bodywork. What is the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to build-up the glass fibe bodywork? I have areas that I want to build-up by 20mm and given they are quite large this will require alot of body filler. Not sure how strong a thick layer of filler will be. So wondering about using some bits of the Sammio that I have cut-off (oops - hope none of them were important!!) cutting them into rectangles, sticking them to the panel and putting filler around. Any thoughts?

I'm afraid that will not be structural. Some 'glass matting (three layers), a bit of glass fiber reinforced filler, and at least two more layers of 'glass matting to hold it all together may just do it.

Paul L 15th February 2019 06:35

CJ – I’d also suggest following Molleur’s advice about building up the thickness with fibreglass matting.

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Given how rough my car is in places, feel free to ignore what I did when building my scuttle. :icon_wink:

As I made some ‘Home Brew’ filler, that started with some scraps of fibreglass matting.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF3164.JPG

Then resin and catalyst are added as normal.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/DSCF3184.JPG

This created a rough sea of fibreglass.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF3186.JPG

Before an angle grinder removed the peaks and left a series of voids.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...o/DSCF3194.JPG

Which acted as a good key for the ‘normal’ fibreglass filler.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF3197.JPG

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Good luck, Paul. :)

Paul L 16th February 2019 07:44

CJ – I had some more thoughts on your options…

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjroms (Post 99129)
… cutting them into rectangles, sticking them to the panel and putting filler around…

If you stick/bond them to the panel you could then add layers of fibreglass matting over them instead.

I did this on several occasions using rope to cross brace my bonnet and boot lid.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hJ...=w1154-h865-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_3...=w1154-h865-no

In fact, for my new scuttle, I even used plastic trunking and plasticine to give me a shape to work with.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/DSCF3104.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...o/DSCF3105.JPG

Before adding layers of matting over the top.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF3114.JPG

Note: This created the void where I stuffed my home brew fibreglass filler in (see previous post).

Good luck, Paul. :)

cbjroms 16th February 2019 12:57

Thanks guys for the advice.

Paul, as always, you are so generous with your helpful ideas.

cbjroms 16th February 2019 17:25

Just had another thought.

On the scuttle I have an area where I have put a a couple of layers of matt covered by 10mm skin of filler.

Given the advice above, do I need to sand off that 10mm layer or can I get away with putting more matt on top?

Paul L 17th February 2019 07:55

As always, take my advice with a pinch of salt...

But I'd say it depends...

If the filler area was small and the matting was going to cover the filler area completely and 'stick' to fibreglass beyond the outside edges of the filler, it might be OK.

But if the filler area was large and the matting small, so it was solely on the filler, then maybe not so much.

cbjroms 18th February 2019 20:19

Paul

Just noticed that CFS sell bags of schopped strands. £24.14 for 5kg bag.

Looks like another of your techniques that I will be copying. Just got to cut away the filler that I have wasted first.

cbjroms 19th February 2019 19:12

Thought about the 5kg bags of chopped strands overnight and realised that 5kg of chopped strand mat costs less than £5!

Anyway, out with the angle grinder this afternoon and removed the 5kg of body filler that I had used to try and build out the off-side/front of the main tub. Then I ran some strings along the side of the tub at various heights and confirmed that the lines of the near-side of the tub are pretty straight - lets say 'Sammio' straight. Whereas there is a definite gap to be filled-in (as shown below) on the offside.

https://i.postimg.cc/fWpLLQpB/IMG-0446.jpg.

In fact this photo under-eggs the gap because the piece of wood is only about 18" long. Running the string along the side of the cockpit shows the gap to be more like 10mm + as per below.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dwqw1xWP/file3-5.jpg

So having ground-off the filler I spent the rest of the afternoon put a number of layers of mat to build-up the area between my 2 x correx spacers.

Paul L 20th February 2019 18:00

As long as you are happy with the final shape that is all that matters.

Good luck, Paul. :)

cbjroms 17th March 2019 14:16

So, at last I am getting a shape that I am happy with.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRNwP9Xm/file-2.jpg

Yorkshireman 17th March 2019 17:35

I like your approach to bodywork detail I also have had fiberglass work on the arches I am also on my second attempt but the time spent now will pay off in the end result or so I am told. Yours is look well Dave

Paul L 26th March 2019 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjroms (Post 99654)
... I am getting a shape that I am happy with...

Which is the main thing. :cool:

cbjroms 8th May 2019 20:51

Still pressing-on.

https://i.postimg.cc/0y6q15tn/file-8.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/T3Zvd8F6/file1-4-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/7YZkXn0p/file2-4-1.jpg

The shape is there but still working at getting it flat and smooth.

At what stage should I move from using bonding paste to fill holes to using bidy filler? Bonding paste is hard work to rub down and I feel that the cycle seems to be add paste, remove paste then add more paste and repeat!! Anybody got any tips?

Mister Towed 9th May 2019 07:29

Try fibreglass reinforced filler for larger gaps/holes with standard filler over the top once it's set and been roughly sanded.

It's not as easy to use as ordinary filler as the fibre strands mean it clings to itself and doesn't spread out very easily, but it'll fill voids without cracking later on.

Nice to see it's still being built, keep up the good work!


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