G46 V8 Mk1
 

Santa came early to Charlie & I, little bit disappointed it was not gift wrapped and tied with a Christmas bow.

Santa's sleigh was heavily disguised as a car trailer and the reindeer as a diesel pick up! & Santa as Gary's mate John, who eat all the pies but not the whisky.

Many thanks Gary garage full of bits and two puzzled men but I suppose that is only to be expected as we are the first to build the kit.

Will post some photos of the engine, chassis, floor pan etc once Charlie works out how to up load.

Can anyone advise on how to insert photos within the script

Gary I will call you before the weekend just to get a few reference points and then we are away.

Hi guys
There is a early post that shows you - but basically register with photobucket
and then upload pics - click on the img button and paste into the post you are writing

Good luck on the build we are all interested in your progress

Welcome to the EEC. That's the eccentric engineers' club. :flock: :flock: :flock:

Looking forward to seeing some pics of your build, is it a Rover V8 conversion on the SE5 chassis or something bespoke?

Mister Towed

been following the forum for sometime, love your flying helmet, I am honoured to accept your invitation to the EEC.

Se5a chassis I repaired last year and then abandoned the idea after of rebuilding the scimitar after discovering the Sammio web site and speaking to Gary.

Rover V8 3.5L engine that I rebuilt some years ago and used in a Hawk 289, nice cam, light flywheel 4 barrel carb should be ample for the G46.

Will post some pics at the weekend

Nice one. Should be quite the flying machine with the 3.5 V8. After all, it's probably about half the weight of my cast iron straight 6 with at least 50% more power.

At least the back end shouldn't break away in the wet too much...

G46 V8 Mk1 photo gallery
 

OK Ladies an Gents here are the first officially approved photos of the G46 V8 Mk1 build:.....still in its early days.

http://photobucket.com/g46v8mk1

What's that?

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_0348.jpg

Independant suspension on the back end you say.

No no. No no no no no. Those underpinnings look far too new-fangled.

Swing axles is the way forward!

Or sideways - forward - sideways the other way - backwards - stop when you wanted to go forward... :whistle:

looking good
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i had a scimitar gte 5a with a rover v8 went really well,i was pleased with it ,mind the lad i had it off had a chevy v8 with all the bits nitrous etc ran 10's 1/4 mile that was a tad faster :)

Roybo

A few mates ran the 350 (small block) Chevy engine in cobras when I was running the Rover 3.5 in my Hawk, the Hawk was faster in initial acceleration only to be then overtaken by the 350's but I always out braked them into roundabouts and first away!

Talking of the heavy 350 chevy I have just had to move the old Essex engine in the garage that came out of the Se5, the Rover 3.5 has to be 50kg plus lighter than that, what with that and the lighter body, no roof, no glass, internal furnishings! the G46 V8 Mk1 is going to have a sweet unstressed power to weight ratio.

Looking to locate the body on the chassis tomorrow every "G Clamp" I have is currently in use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now where did I leave those sky hooks!

Will post a photo with the body temp located if we get that far

Body first fitting?
 

More pics please and I PM'd you earlier

First fitting continued
 

Garry & all

last post was a tester to see if we could add pictures, it works. Main body located, seemed to go well a lot more fettling before final fix, pure enjoyment rear goal posts and cills clamped into dims you have me, had to take top corners off but fits as snug as a bug in a rug. lots of measuring standing back having a look up a bit down a bit and so on.

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See why you had a problem with final dims not be able to take the body off, we are lifting on and off and using all the photos we took at your workshop as a guide, we will take dims and records for reference. It may not be the way every one attacks it but it may be helpfull

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This one shows the front bulk head I think we will cut up the "coffee table frame" and insert differently? we may also make the footwells wider in the square aperture with ply formers and move the pedal box over as we need to chop out the tunnel for the exhausts on the V8 and it's always cramped on Se5's when they insert the V8 plenty of room in the G46 wing bulkhead for this.

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looking back at the bulk head ply templates will equalise both sides and secure the cills, again we have the luxury you did not have when building the prototype, everything open and nothing in the way. The body was located using the vertical centre line of the rear wheels and rear wheel arches.

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will have to cut a little more off the up stands at the front

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Under the bonnet test fitted long way off fitting but all looks good for clearance on the V8 nice detail have the cut line on the mould that will help when we come to match the bonnet line to the bulk head, but with a bit of felting should all work ok. Mounting and making the brackets for the forward hinging bonnet will be a challenge but there is good access under the car to take dimension and I suspect we will be coming to take more measurements before then.

So very pleased with today a long long way to go, in a way I am glad it is not a kit with instructions that just bolts on, we are all using heads which makes it all the more satisfying when you stand back and see what we have achieved.

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THOSE PICS....

Quite exciting to see one going together .....I am so chuffed you guys are doing the first one , number 2 , you know what I mean ! I felt that you 'got it' when you visited and your passion was obvious...I have some tweaking to do with these kits and watching your way of building will be very useful...

I am planning on going up there to see it.

I might take the TVR if you want any comparative photos. Let me know what shots you want.

incidentally,what 'box are you using?the gear box was a little far back for my liking in my scim' but then it did have the engine mounted well back and the bulkhead cut too mine was a LT77

Roybo

It's the LT77, our engine will also be mounted further back, but what's another little bit of cutting! will have to cut bulk heads both sides to get the headers in .

Purchase some 350i TVR headers off e-bay this week (pre going forwards type) I may position the slave engine ( no crank or pistons, bracketing already done) and in the chassis pop the heads on and see if they work

The beauty of the Sammio concept is that I can position seat further back as well, I also acquired a short remote gear change along the way which I have the option to use as well.

Just come in from an afternoon in the garage wanted to see what the car looked liked with the arches filled out with wider wheels, not suggesting we use the revolutions wring decade, but it gives a good indication where a 15" 245 will sit the car will be a lot lower with engine and gear box in place and with shorter coil overs.

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Gary, secured the front left cills by using metal angle straps cut and bent to match and self tapped into position see drivers side photo

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I also made cardboard templates and made the inner arch floor, drop down and vertical filler on the passenger side from 10mm ply. The bottom plates are glued and screwed to the straps and cill plates under the doors, the vertical wing filler, I need to glue into position (will I get away with car filler) and then glass over them to give them an element of protection and for firming up the body.

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One result is that with all the head scratching I can use the card board templates mirror image for the other side with very little alteration.

My wife came to find me this afternoon, she opened the garage door and said are you happy in here or just trying to get away from us indoors, no answer to that really, women! they just don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you mean! Soon I will be doing the same as you with my Sammio body. Can't wait.

My favourite part is that they say we are "playing with cars" and therefore it idoes not constitute it self as work. Which means when we come in we are not tired and we are ready to do their bidding.

Ok my moans over - dont tell her i said that
We are all friends here aren't we?

In the background on your first photo is an awesome looking SD1

Those revolutions look good, but not on your car

Hope you are keeping accurate drawings and dimensions of all the bits you are creating. Note that a lot of wood is being used as opposed to alloy.!!

Sammio Ark ????

can't wait to see the car with the front end wheels etc as i can't really make out what the complete profile will look like,but like what i've seen so far.also wondering about the headlight covers
and btw the revolutions look good even though they are wrong decade.
i'd consider then sprayed grey or silver a la cobra with a fake spinner:eusa_clap:

oh ive been lucky ,the mrs has helped me build my sammio all the way, from grinding to winching out the engine,, and even taken the money i made from the herald parts on ebay, "BLESS HER"

I know its blowing a gale outside and everyone has to go back to work but nows the time for some motivation.
V8 sammios are a different beast so for Charles and WCA take a look here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pZE...0FEA8FAF3A2466

ok its not a sammio but the cockpit view and the growl from the engine it only takes a little imagination,
I cant wait to see these cars turn up at a meet or a show

Fantastic, new paint scheme to be considered !!!

Roybo , good colour scheme for the revo's but Madmark may have something to say on that subject, they are his!

Headlight covers, a long way off yet but Gary has a solution

Roadster, yes that is exactly the sound I am looking for anyone one who considers putting in a radio to a V8 creation needs help from the men in white coats!

Madmark has some great ideas on colour schemes for the G46 two best are yellow (Jallow) over black bonnet stripe around fish mouth and along the cills, same in red with yellow(jallow) for the stripe and cills and you can't rule out white with Blue for the stripe & cills.

1950's Ferrari, Ferrari and Maserati colour schemes I believe.

I've got to admit that those American V8's sound very distinctive, but I find them, dare I say it, a bit brash. A bit big mac and bucket of baskin robins, perhaps, where the smooth roar of a straight six is more my brie and grape baguette. Just listen to the last twenty seconds of Phil Jacklins shakedown run and you might just get what I mean. If you have a soul...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07F3cqfZJG0

Colour clarification
 

When Charman Tech states colours his lack of literacy shines through ' jallow' is not correct. Giallo Fly with Nero is the colour, baring in mind his wifes heritage, it is an appalling mistake.:laser:

So mainly' yellow' body with black areas as stated, black seats and yellow piping NIRVANA:biggrin1:

Wire wheels G46

We borrowed a couple of wire wheels off a friend this evening to see how they look on the car

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They are from a series 3 E type so quite available as will the hub adaptors. We noticed image do a very nice alloy wheel which replicated the D Type wheel, whist reasonable when compared to some still expensive.

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Tyres & wheels sizes are 205 70 15 inch, I think they look very period and I think they would go with jut about every colour scheme

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They are 72 spoke wheels

We also finished the front bulk head sides using cardboard templates which will replicate and send to Gary for future use by other builders we cut then quite tight leaving enough gap for a silicon seal

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using a 10mm ply and the rectangular footwell infill in a 6mm ply also using some battens to secure the panels to each other and self tapped together as Gary said in earlier posts the whole body work takes on unbelievable strength when this all comes together

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The front and rear goal posts are now bolted in position and door cills bolted to to the body and the floor plan, lots of adjustment and fettling needed but we have ended up with each side being dimensionally equal with acceptable tolerance.

We are liking the wire wheel option for it's period character, availability and cost, but would appreciate comments or suggestions

wheels
 

Think these wheels would look good finished in a gold colour:pout:

Good work guys.....

I think the wires look fantastic.

Is that a slightly radiused rear arch marked out there I see....?

Keep it coming , you are doing a great job...I know people have looked concerned in the past when they collect their floppy glass bodyshell , but as you say , it becomes really strong when all the bulkheads/ bonding etc is done....

I was hoping to do my floor / bulk heads in aluminium or steel.

Any clever ways to bond the ally plate to the round steel chassis without the metals reacting?

Any clever ways to fix the steel plate to the round steel chassis without the ability to weld?

If I work out what I am doing, and eventually get round to starting, I too will send you the templates for future builders to use Gary.

Nice work on the G46 so far. I would have come up to see this week but the weather has been terrible. Have you got a link to where I can get some of those wheels. I am not sure mine suit the G46 :

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g...52520wheel.jpg

What about rivets?
 

Lots of...:laser:

Wasn't sure about riveting into the chassis tubes. I have a feeling I will need to learn to weld.

i saw on one forum a bloke using double sided 3M tape to hold Alu sheets onto a metal frame for a motor home he was building. Not sure I fancy double sided sticky tape holding my body to the chassis.

chassis isn't ally... is it?
 

Welding will come in handy, i'm nearly ready to start myself:laser:

TVR's finest steel. Doesn't seem too rusty either. I think I will try to find someone with a welding kit I can borrow to practice on. How hard can it be ...

I was hoping to do my floor / bulk heads in aluminium or steel.

Any clever ways to bond the ally plate to the round steel chassis without the metals reacting?


When I worked on jet fighters we plastered everything that had an ally-steel contact with a paste jointing compound to prevent electrolytic corrosion between the dissimilar metals. Can't remember the brand but a quick google search threw this one up and it looks similar:

http://www.llewellyn-ryland.co.uk/downloads/duralac.pdf

Without it the aluminium turned to white powder very quickly and the fighter jets tended to turn into smoking holes in the ground, which could be detrimental to your pension if you'd put the part together that failed.

Just as an example of what electrolytic corrosion can do, back in the mid eighties the ammunition that went in the aircraft guns started spontaneously exploding.

Luckily(?) it was the propellant that was detonating rather than the high explosive in the projectile, so it was a relatively small explosion with only a little fragmentation of the cartridge cases (which are about the size of a 250ml beer bottle). It would still spoil your day if you happened to be holding it at the time though.

It happened so often that we had to wear body armour, a face shield and kevlar gloves while handling the ammunition and loading the guns. Without getting too technical and breaching the official secrets act, the ammunition has a steel cartridge case with an electrically initiated brass firing cap set in the centre, which is isolated from the case by a plastic insulating ring.

After lots of head scratching by the boffins at the armament research lab they discovered the following: The ammunition was being manufactured for the British by the Italians to a German design. The specification sheet called for a particular type of varnish (shellac, made from recycled beetles, very green. Erm, brown, actually) to be applied over the base of the cartridge to prevent moisture from collecting between the case and the firing cap. If this were to happen, dissimilar metal corrosion would quickly turn the moisture into an electrolyte, making the cartridge into a ferrous/copper battery. Once sufficient potential built up in that battery the firing cap would initiate as advertised and the propellant would go bang, blowing the case apart.

Only the Italians didn't have any of the special varnish so they used something they saw a chap pasting on pizzas in a Bistro. Which was acidic and turned every cannon shell they produced into a time bomb. All for want of a Lira's worth of varnish.

But you tell the young folks that these days and they don't believe you, no they won't...

Oh, and welding's not so difficult. Give it a try, you might surprise yourself. :becky:

pretty sure most kit cars use sikaflex and rivets apparently holds stronger than screws http://www.ruderacing.co.uk/Workshop...duct_info.html
the adhesive is ideal for aluminium sheet on a steel frame

what would you gamble the final weight will be?considering the scim is 1188kg
i know it's early to be thinking about that but with saving 50kg + on the engine
having no glass, roof ,rear seats carpets insulation you should be easily under the ton

Charlie pass me the angle grinder!
 

Well we thought we had chopped away as much of the old scimitar as we dare, but decided we had better test fit the V8 engine and box and as a result the old angle grinder has been out and more of the bulkhead had to go.

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From the engine bay, we had decided to set the engine further back than the SE5 boys do as we have the luxury of having the space, we may have to move the pedal box back as well

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from inside the car at least we wont need a heater!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We have also decided to test fit the front suspension to see whether we could actually get the exhaust behind the wheels, we are using E Type series three wire wheels with 205 x 15 x 70's tyres

We acquired off e-bay last week for £132.0 at set of TVR 350i and discovery headers and the next photo shows our efforts last thing this afternoon to cut and fabricate them to suit our motor we are thinking of taking them under the door cills both sides and exiting them from behind the doors on the a bit like the DB3 Aston Martins, there is more than enough room in the side cills to lose the cherry bomb silence but we do not want to loose the line of the car, so it's an idea in development

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Gary I like the door hinges you have used on the Vitesse based car you are doing

Re the weight of the finish car I think we will be down around 800 - 850kgs the Hawk 289 I build some some years ago came out at 80kgs

Been a slow week what with work and more of the same next week