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SwiftyDS 17th September 2017 16:21

I've just started to fit mine - using 24mm black Dzus fasteners as also decided to bolt clam down to start with (may hinge later). I've bonded / glasses a couple of angle brackets to clam so it can bolt to rear support bar from within engine bay so they are hidden.

For the screen itself I drilled a pilot hole first with 2mm drill at low speed (using a dremel) and then drilled it out with 6mm drill again at low speed. Halfway through the holes and touch wood all OK so far !

I've read conflicting views of whether to use sharp or used drill bit. Both bits were relatively new

Nostromo 17th September 2017 18:36

I wasn't sure what to use to hold it down but they seem like a good idea. I was looking at some phillips headed screws with massive flat heads o get a decent surface area for them to hold on to then gluing a nut underneath for it to screw into.

With regard to the clam, I've also gone for fixed for now and used bonnet pins front and rear then will nut and bolt/quick release the sides where the clam meets the side skirt to hold it all in place.

Thanks for the info on drilling the screen. Yeah, some people have said you'll not crack lexan, just go slow. And others have said about using a really blunt drillbit. I'll give it a go and see what happens.

How have you got on with your doors? I've not attempted straightening them up yet but its on the list.

molleur 17th September 2017 18:40

I use the 60 degree drill bits here:

http://www.eplastics.com/plexiglass_...tic_drill_bits

I'm sure you can source them locally. Works a treat.
Please read the entire advertisement.

Nostromo 27th October 2017 18:49

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Been quite busy with the car just recently and managed at least an hour each day outside having a fettle.

Have done some work on getting everything aligned and closing in the shut lines. It's quite slow work and the driver's side seems to be much better than the passengers but it'll get there. Doors are now in just about the right place and have made up some brackets to go inside to push them out to the right place to meet the side skirts. Have also made up brackets to hold the skirts in place and now started on some more for the front bumper.

I've also sprayed up a couple of bits in the engine bay, hinged the bonnet and strapped it so it doesn't open too far. Pictures of stuff below.

I've gone back to looking into hinging the rear end although it'll be a little less elaborate and a little more wobbly (when open) than Wozzys frame that he's made. The main issue is the crash bar is too deep so you'd need to remove some of the clam to clear it. My plan is to get hold of some thinner box section and make up my own shortened less deep crash bar because I just don't want to cut the clam about. It may work, it may not...

wozzy 27th October 2017 20:41

Looking good, keep up the good work mate.

wozzy 27th October 2017 20:54

How are the top of the doors against the roof?

Nostromo 27th October 2017 22:44

They're actually pretty good but more through luck than anything else. It's not that easy to explain (I'd take a photo but I'm at work) so at the rear edge of the door, I've managed to trim the door skin so that the top half of the mr2 door is inside the door skin, and the bottom half is outside of it which pushes the bottom of the skin outward and the top of the skin in then I've bent some brackets to space the bottom of the mr2 door out a touch more to meet the side skirt. I hope that the addition of bit of rubber door seal at the top will give it some extra rigidity as it'll push the top of the door out a bit more.

I'll take a photo this weekend.

SwiftyDS 28th October 2017 08:05

Looks good and great to see you making progress. I’m having to do the same with spacing the bottoms of the door skins out of push them flush. Tops of mine are ok and it helped me with alignment to cut the roof panel off from the rear clam. As for the tops of the doors against the hardtop/ MR2 door jam I know Retro200 used some rubber stops in the top corner here which I was planning to copy.

wozzy 28th October 2017 13:15

I ended up cutting the tops of the doors off and refitting them get them to sit better.

Nostromo 16th November 2017 19:55

Have done a lot of work on the door skins to get them to sit better onto the doors. They're finally starting to come good. The rear edge of both doors are impacting upon the clam so will trim them back once the doors are fitted. Overall quite happy with how they're comin along.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...psc8ydkl9u.jpg

Made a new exhaust out of the old one and a new muffler

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...psuc8yeua1.jpg

Fitted (although it needs a bigger exit)

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...ps0jkbut7w.jpg

wozzy 17th November 2017 12:36

Looking good, what's the noise like on the new silencer?

Nostromo 17th November 2017 13:24

Little bit noisier than standard on tickover but its peppered with air leaks at the moment so could get a tiny bit louder. I've not sealed it up yet. It could be the noisiest thing in the world when I get to drive it but the plan for now is to have two exhausts. One like this (for MOTs and things), then another deleting the cat for when I feel like being obnoxious... which will probably be most of the time.

Nostromo 23rd November 2017 17:54

Fog lights - went for Rings as the hellas are just a bit too expensive for me at the moment. Could always just buy a set of hella covers I suppose.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...sqkra6npp.jpeg

And my new tail pipe. 3.5 inch... not too ott.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...psdzayabif.jpg

Have also started on a bit of fiberglassing. Never done it before so it's a big step.

wozzy 24th November 2017 06:58

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Originally Posted by SwiftyDS (Post 90698)
I've just started to fit mine - using 24mm black Dzus fasteners as also decided to bolt clam down to start with (may hinge later). I've bonded / glasses a couple of angle brackets to clam so it can bolt to rear support bar from within engine bay so they are hidden.

For the screen itself I drilled a pilot hole first with 2mm drill at low speed (using a dremel) and then drilled it out with 6mm drill again at low speed. Halfway through the holes and touch wood all OK so far !

I've read conflicting views of whether to use sharp or used drill bit. Both bits were relatively new

I am getting the windscreen guy to bond mine in, he reckons it will be fine with just that, but mine can stay in place as the clam will lift.

Looking good Nick, thinners with get the fibreglass off your fingers afterwards
:yo:

Nostromo 24th November 2017 17:12

Today's efforts:

I fiberglassed the headlight surrounds into place:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...pskzh42tp9.jpg

Which seems to have gone quite well. Also did my as sender door which had split where the b pillar meets the main part of the door. I'm not posting a picture of that because I've disappointed myself :(

Also cut and fitted the number plate lights. These are Peugeot led units. Look good and seem to aim in the right sort of direction.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...ps44davaqk.jpg

landmannnn 25th November 2017 11:29

you are right about the lamp covers, Ring says cheap. I have seen some Ford badged covers.

Nostromo 25th November 2017 13:58

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Originally Posted by landmannnn (Post 92118)
you are right about the lamp covers, Ring says cheap. I have seen some Ford badged covers.

Ah ok, maybe for now i'll just take the covers off then :thumb:

retro200 26th November 2017 10:51

mrs200 number plate lights
 
i used ford transit connect number plate lights they fit the raised area spot on, loads on ebay , ive got a 08 tranny lwb here at the moment i am working on they look the same as well. glad your makng progress keep at it !!

wozzy 26th November 2017 20:09

I'm using the Transit Connect also

Nostromo 30th November 2017 20:57

Grew some berries and glued the sideskirts on yesterday. Today's little job was to work out the mr2 to Sierra door handles. Was pleasantly surprised to get it right first time.

Doors are getting stuck on tomorrow! Making good progress :)

SwiftyDS 1st December 2017 07:39

Nick, did you bend the existing MR2 door handle rods to get the angles right for Sierra handles or connect a new bar from Sierra handles to the existing rods? I tried both on mine but struggled to get the right amount of movement in the rod - they work but feel a bit flimsy

Nostromo 1st December 2017 12:31

Hi Dave, I left the mr2 bits as they are and bought some stainless rod. Bent that into this shape:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...psh1bb1qry.jpg

This is for the drivera door. The right hand side slips snuggly into the sierra handle with two cable ties holding the vertical part, then three ties on the horizontal part to attach to the mr2 bar. Only provisionally held it all in place with cable ties. Will see if I can get some small bulldog clips or jubilee for a permanent fit. Not sure if you've noticed but the rear vertical part of the mr2 bar where it goes into the plastic enclosure has a lip on it. Initially, this was catching and stopping full deflection of the lever.

One door on, run out of clamps now.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...psifihvw2i.jpg

luked2189 2nd December 2017 11:36

looking great mister, good build thread :)

SwiftyDS 3rd December 2017 08:42

Thanks Nick - good idea with the stainless rod - i used another piece of handle/lock rod which was much thinner which may explain why mine aren’t feeling that strong when I pull the Sierra handle.

Your door looks good - keep up the progress as it is spurring me on to get back to mine now all the jobs on the house are done!

Nostromo 4th December 2017 07:46

Regarding the doors, I know you've said you were going to add a bit at the bottom to get the shut line right. I've managed to fit mine so that it all lines up with maybe a bit more drastic cutting than I had originally planned but it is possible. The rear of the b pillar sticks out a little more than I'd hoped but am planning to add a bit of fiberglass on the joining edge of the clam to meet it and reduce the step.
Regarding the flimsyness of the window frame, the plan here is to add some extra fiberglass to the b pillar from where it meets the mr2 door to about half way up the pillar itself. Am hoping that will give it a bit of extra strength. I may also go with Micks idea of welding an extra bit of bar down to the crash bar inside the door.

wozzy 4th December 2017 14:08

Looking good Nick
Where did you get the stainless bar from? i may go down that route.

Nostromo 4th December 2017 15:46

Found it in homebase by all the wood and building materials. Looks to be 4mm. It's a perfect fit for the hole in the handle.

Nostromo 5th December 2017 22:04

Just wondering folks, would there be anything to stop me from using the lower spot lamps as my high beam headlights? As I understand it, there's a bit of an issue with trying to get an h4 bulb to work as both high and low beam on a facelifted MR2.

wozzy 6th December 2017 07:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostromo (Post 92292)
Just wondering folks, would there be anything to stop me from using the lower spot lamps as my high beam headlights? As I understand it, there's a bit of an issue with trying to get an h4 bulb to work as both high and low beam on a facelifted MR2.

I suppose it would be ok Nick, as long as they can test the aim at MOT time. Setting the aim right will be the biggest problem.

retro200 6th December 2017 08:13

hi nick you can wire the golf headlights up to work on a facelift get some h4 connectors and cut the existing plugs off the mr2 loom you will have too many wires because the facelift has seperate high/low beam bulbs i cant just remember exactly how i did mine ,its a while ago now ,wozzy was asking me about this a couple of weeks back, i identified each wirend its function with a test bulb ,then took it from there make sure you get the feeds right on the h4 plugs cos they will work if you get the earth on the wrong terminal then you get main and dip on together but very dim i seem to remember not using one of the positive feeds i will have a look at mine and see if i can figure it out might be tricky cos i shrink wrapped the new wires when i got it to work right also i seem to remember swapping the spade connectors around in the h4 plugs for some reason think it was something to do with the earthing , hope this helps regards, mick.

retro200 6th December 2017 08:20

ps i also think the lights are wired permanent live and switched thru the earth side !! ialso added some 4 pin relays between the existing loom and h4 connectors this will be your solution its all coming back to me now, lol .its my age you know !!! mick .

Nostromo 6th December 2017 09:51

Haha! Thanks for that Mick. If you can remember anything else about it that'd be great! I had a feeling you'd put some relays in there somewhere from one of your photos you sent.

Nostromo 16th December 2017 10:42

A small update.

Both doors are now fitted. The drivers side went on well and both function as doors should. Had a little issue with the passenger side as it dropped slightly... no idea how but I ended up having to make a giant cheese wire and slicing the door off again. Thankfully the glue was still a bit rubbery and the door came off in one bit. Lucky i'd removed it really as I must have been sleepy when I attached the door because I'd forgotten to cut the metal on the mr2 door so the rs200 handle indentation had nowhere to go. Anyway, picked all the old glue off and restuck it. Annoyingly, theres still a couple of mm difference between the door and side skirt still but I can hopefully lose that with a bit of filler and a file. The roof has been trimmed lower and more off the drivers side than passenger as there was a bit of a height difference, probably around 5-10mm which was noticeable when trying to line up the rear end. Next on the list is to trim and shape the a pillars so they fit nicely around the windscreen seal and will get the rear of the roof looking good ready to be fiber glassed at the back to close it all in. I have a bit of a plan to put a sort of air scoop into the roof as I've seen it on the Evo version and think it looks pretty smart. Will start cutting that up over the next week or so.

https://i.imgur.com/R8ieO4e.png

Mitchelkitman 16th December 2017 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostromo (Post 92292)
Just wondering folks, would there be anything to stop me from using the lower spot lamps as my high beam headlights? As I understand it, there's a bit of an issue with trying to get an h4 bulb to work as both high and low beam on a facelifted MR2.

I think it's more crucial with the low beam lights - they have to be a minimum 500 height at beam cut-off. There's good logic to this....... If the light is too low then you may have difficulty seeing ahead (especially if going uphill!) Having the main beam too low may give a similar problem in this respect, but unlikely as low beam lights will be working anyway? As to whether it will pass MOT, If they are single filament bulbs wired to just one filament that may be an issue if the MOT man is picky (if bulb is there it should work). Car shouldn't require an IVA, but it's worth using their rules as a guide, because if you build to IVA spec it should easily get through MOT.

Nostromo 16th December 2017 14:39

As I understand it, this will be classed as a radically altered vehicle so will require an IVA... unless anyone knows a way around it? Using the spot lamps as main beams was just a passing thought. To be honest, I'd rather use the spot lamps as spot lamps.

Mitchelkitman 16th December 2017 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostromo (Post 92435)
As I understand it, this will be classed as a radically altered vehicle so will require an IVA... unless anyone knows a way around it? Using the spot lamps as main beams was just a passing thought. To be honest, I'd rather use the spot lamps as spot lamps.

My understanding is that if you haven't altered the 'main body' ie the monocoque unit then it hasn't been radically altered. Removing bolt-on parts is ok, but chopping any parts off isn't (I think that pretty much covers it).

scimjim 16th December 2017 16:24

It’s not “radically altered”, it’s a “kit converted vehicle” (a kit of new parts added to an existing vehicle, or old parts added to a new kit).

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...erted-vehicles

Mitchelkitman 16th December 2017 16:43

I'm in agreement with Scim on that. They seem to keep adding new categories? Looking through the document it appears (I could be incorrect) that you can't rebuild a classic with a new body (eg heritage MGB shell) without being 'awarded' a Q registration!

retro200 16th December 2017 17:59

mrs 200 and iva
 
hi nick it shouldnt need iva as long as you dont alter the chassis and get the 8 points needed for the rest of the car mine didnt its a body swap, just re-register it as a radically altered vehicle, fill the forms in and send plenty pics of the build there was no charge when i did mine i sent a cheque for £55 and they sent it back with the new v5 you can even do it now before you finish it , andy mcmillan did his this way , regards, mick.

Mitchelkitman 16th December 2017 18:38

[QUOTE=retro200;92440]hi nick it shouldnt need iva as long as you dont alter the chassis and get the 8 points needed for the rest of the car mine didnt its a body swap, just re-register it as a radically altered vehicle, fill the forms in and send plenty pics of the build there was no charge when i did mine i sent a cheque for £55 and they sent it back with the new v5 you can even do it now before you finish it , andy mcmillan did his this way , regards, mick.[/QUOTE

On reading the document in the link it would seem that it's NOT a radically altered vehicle, but is a KIT CONVERTED vehicle. It all seems very confusing, as reading the radically altered it seems a new (to original spec) chassis could be used, so (for instance) an MGB could possibly retain its original reg number with a new heritage monocoque, however there is a specific category of rebuilt classic car, which indicates it would get a Q reg. Typical DVSA confusion?


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