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Mike 3rd April 2012 13:57

Not happy again!!
 
I'm getting pee'd off with Smiths/Caerbont/Speedycables whatever they want to call themselves.

I ordered a new voltage regulator yesterday, cost £16.21 from Europa, and it arrived this morning - well done Europa.

I tested the regulator - it gave 10.44 volts - ( notice past tense!)
It got quite hot, while I left it connected to the battery, and when I tested my gauge it would not work
Re-check the output voltage - it now gives zero volts!

This is exactly what the last one did too. I assumed with it I must have got my wiring wrong: and being an enquiring sole decided to pull the first one to bits to see what it looked like in side.

Now I suspect Smiths may have a production problem.

The wiring can not be any easier to wire up:
Battery positive to the B terminal
Case to Earth
Instrument to the I terminal
Instrument (via sender) to Earth

Input voltage checked + 12.5v from the car battery
Output voltage can then be checked by measuring I terminal to Earth - Zero, Zilch Nothing!

Rang Smiths - they advised it should cope comfortably with pulling 0.25 amps all day long under load, and certainly not get warm with no load. So he is going to test one in their work - and get back to me -
in 2 days!
How long does it take to test a b***dy circuit!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Bloody electrics!!
Give me a piece of metal that I can cut, weld, grind, and polish any day!!


Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 28847)
Just my 5 penneth.....

You will certainly need a voltage stabiliser if the instrument is designed to work that way. The theoretical 12v that comes from your car's electrical system is not actually 12v anyway, and also not particularly stable.

Using an electronic regulator may or may not work well - although a linear one is better than something fancier (digital). Car electrical systems are full of noise which plays havoc with anything electronic.

Personally I would try to stick with stuff specifically designed for the job. I would use the smiths regulator - even if you have to fix it the right way up!

Robin


Mike 25th April 2012 22:35

"The Dreaded Electrics!"
 
Whooooooh!:whoo: :whoo: :whoo:

I have :
Side lights all round
Brake lights
Hooter - from centre push:horn:
Wiper - slow, fast and park!

The only item that I have wired up (so far) and does not work is the intermittent wiper, but I'll take that!!!

That was a good evenings work
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oaktree11 26th April 2012 07:35

Hey! well done you - you might even get to like electrics at this rate! - John

peterux 26th April 2012 08:55

Well done!
I found the hazard warning light switch wiring the most challenging, so good luck with that.

Mike 26th April 2012 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktree11 (Post 29897)
Hey! well done you - you might even get to like electrics at this rate! - John

Don't think so John! - Its a case of "Intellect over Interest" at the moment, though I was pretty chuffed last night - and who knows , I may have headlights tonight?
Mike

Mike 26th April 2012 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterux (Post 29900)
Well done!
I found the hazard warning light switch wiring the most challenging, so good luck with that.

Cheers for the encouragement Peter!!!!

I'm going to make it harder for myself as well, by trying to use a BMW hazard switch mounted on my dash, rather than the Ford one on the column.
As you once said, a good seat, and plenty of cups of tea!!:ranger:

Mike

peterux 26th April 2012 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 29902)
Cheers for the encouragement Peter!!!!

Mike

Sorry Mike, didn't mean to put you off! Just sharing with you the most complex bit, from my perspective.
If you can crack that, then you are a qualified auto electrician :lol:

Mike 26th April 2012 19:38

More Whooooooh!

Headlights - yup
Main beam - yup
Dip - yup
Hazards - yup:eusa_clap:

Indicators - well, sort of! :ohwell: Front right & left rear!:juggle:

My Premier wiring loom is either made incorrectly, or labelled wrongly - I've checked it twice - Black/white to offside is the wrong side. Still, fairly easy to resolve. Chris -did you experience the same problem?

Still defeated by the intermittent wipe though.

peterux 26th April 2012 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 29922)
More Whooooooh!

Hazards - yup:eusa_clap:

Wow! Hole in one :whoo:

Mike 26th April 2012 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterux (Post 29927)
Wow! Hole in one :whoo:

Pride comes................



I've managed to sort out the intermittent wipe this evening, and checked the indicators in Haynes: Premier have printed the wrong instructions - Black /White is for the N/S. So was quite chuffed, then...............

:icon_redface: the bl**dy horn started by itself and I could not stop it:horn: :horn: :horn: - in the end I had to rip the wire off the horn terminal.

I guess the slip rings don't work too well with the Momo steering wheel, and it has allowed a direct earth.

Mike 20th May 2012 17:20

it's great when a plan comes together.......eventually.
 
Bit more wiring completed now.

I added a water temperature sensor collar to my radiator, and fitted a Ford sender, wired up on the lower setting (93.5C) to a relay and on to my Pacet fan.
With my first test the water boiled, and the fan never kicked in. The first thing I suspect in these situations is my wiring, but all checked out OK. I changed the relay - and promptly blew the 15 amp fuse. After I had changed it to a 30 amp fuse the fan kicked in exactly on cue. I now have an electric thermostatic fan!
Its great. I've just left my car idling for an hour, and the fan cuts in and out, and in and out, and in and out........................I could have watched it all afternoon!
It's great when a plan comes together.

I've also re-wired my front indicators, so that the fronts come on with their partner at the rear. Premier Wiring instructions were at fault on that one!

Mike 22nd December 2012 17:03

Christmas 2012 Update
 
With only 9 days to go to the end of the year I have failed on a promise I made to my wife......................to have my Cabrio finished this year!
Progress has been limited by the usual things in life getting in the way - illness, elderly parents needing looking after, my wife going back to teaching full time (and I mean full time - 70 hours a week!). So, progress has been a little slower than I would have liked.

Anyway, for those that are still interested I thought I'd post a few shots of key steps since May:
I've finished the new rear diff support bracket, and its all reassembled.
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8286/7...f03378a5fb.jpg Standard Sierra Diff, with Scorpio Style Rear Supports by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7...a05fc0f161.jpg Rear Diff Mount Fitted by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

The Marlin GRP boot lid does not fit the rear tub very well so requires a lot of fettling and filling to bring all the shut lines parallel, and surfaces level........but I got there in the end.

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8305/7...e74f7f3e5e.jpg Making The Shut Lines Parallel by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

My original header tank did not work, as it was too low, so I made a new one from a surplus piece of stainless exhaust tube:

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7266/7...4c9afeb48b.jpg Expansion/Header Tank by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

I was so pleased with it, I decided to make myself a new washer bottle, which I had to extend after Dave Kitson kindly pointed out it must hold 1 litre!

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8...38eb89febf.jpg Capacity Increased! by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

..and I've made a new set of stainless petrol tank straps:

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8346/8...ea7b5484fa.jpg Stainless Fuel Tank Straps by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

Not achieved as much as I would have liked really......

.....but I did have a dabble with an Electronic Power Assisted Steering column from a Corsa, after another Marlin owner pioneered the idea. Its all ready to install, but it will have to wait until after the IVA, as it could lead to possible problems with a non standard item used in the steering mechanism :

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/8...1af477689e.jpg EPAS & Standard Sierra Steering Column - shown at the same length by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

I've finally resolved a tiny fuel leak from the fuel tank output collar by having a new collar welded on, so I'm now ready to re-fit the fuel tank, and hopefully start her up again over the holidays - yeah!

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8492/8...ab5106a5c0.jpg IMG_3356 by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

GreatOldOne 22nd December 2012 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 38422)

No charge... ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 38422)
My original header tank did not work, as it was too low, so I made a new one from a surplus piece of stainless exhaust tube:

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7266/7...4c9afeb48b.jpg Expansion/Header Tank by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

I was so pleased with it, I decided to make myself a new washer bottle, which I had to extend after Dave Kitson kindly pointed out it must hold 1 litre!

[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8...38eb89febf.jpg Capacity Increased! by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]

Nice!

Mike 22nd December 2012 21:53

Hi Jason

.............you captured the idea beautifully in your drawing...........its remakable how my efforts turned out to be so similar to your drawing!


[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7116/7...944b5e2eaa.jpg
Diff Mounting Proposal
by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]
Drawing courtesy of Jason Cundall - alias GOO



[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8286/7...f03378a5fb.jpg Standard Sierra Diff, with Scorpio Style Rear Supports by Mike's Marlin BMW Cabrio, on Flickr[/IMG]



Not the first idea you have given me......................!!
Nor the last - I want some "Marlin" logo door thresholds, and .....and....


And on that note, can I say a big Thank You to all you guys on MAKC - you make it a great community - may I wish you all a very happy Christmas.
Wishing you all the very best
Mike:tea:

Mike 14th August 2013 23:00

Update - August 2013
 
Its a while since I have updated my diary on MAKC:

Finally I have completed my electrics - its only taken 18 months! I can not say I enjoyed the experience, as it should be so logical, yet my intuitive logic often did not mange to get it right first time! Red/Black may be live, but it depends which end it comes from, so splicing into it does not always result in a live splice!

Any way its done - yippeee! The dash is all wired up: everything works, and it can all easily be disconnected, and re- connected, allowing me to go back and finish the dash fixings, and heater controls etc.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3763/8...31491b16_z.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3665/9...a02ced79_z.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5448/9...caac6209_z.jpg
Dash lights all lit up - (I need a tripod for time delay photos!) Even managed to get the old Sierra switch back lights to work

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3723/9...39186cca_z.jpg
Rear ligts all working - hazard only coming on with main lights, as required by IVA

I've also completed the fabrication of the rear diff support for the Sierra diff. The T bar I made was fine, but I was concerned that with two fixings so close together there was a lot of torque being generated through a small lever, so I have triangulated the T bar support:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7...5fc0f161_z.jpg


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3731/9...bdd981b2_z.jpg

Now that ther electrics are complete I can fit the dash for the final time before the IVA, except I want to fit my carpets before doing so.......


So, its carpet time.................

But................it never ceases to amaze me how jobs become inter-dependent.

I have finished my electrics, so theoretically I could fit the dash.

But to fit the dash for the final time before the IVA I need to fit the sound proof felt and carpet beneath the centre console and along the transmission tunnel
To do this I need to remove the rings for the gearstick, and handbrake
To do this I need to drop the prop shaft to get at the fixings under the tunnel.
To do this I need to remove the diff - to be able to pull the prop shaft out through the rear bulkhead hole

( I wanted to change the diff anyway, and strengthen the diff carrier bracket, so its not all bad news)

To remove the diff I need to remove the boot floor and the petrol tank, and so it goes on.......


............until finally, with all these steps backwards done (again!) I'm now ready to start fitting my carpets.

Woooooow! - its scary cutting up expensive bits of felt and carpet!

"Measure twice - cut once" is my mantra, but even by cutting out paper templates to get the final shape, I find I have to be ultra careful about marking out silhouettes in reverse and remember which side up the carpet is relative to my template!

But its exciting - this really does feel like I'm on the home straight now:

Cutting the 1/2" thick felt for the front of ther transmission tunnel to reduce noise, vibration and heat from the engine/exhaust.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5344/9...d57b7c1f_z.jpg
1/2" Felt marked out and cut ready for gluing to the transmission tunnel sides

Although its not a big part completed, I am really happy with the way this bit of the carpetting has turned out. As its the first, and likely to be the most difficult, I was not sure how well I could make carpet fit around compound curves, but by making paper templates, then cutting the felt/carpet and trial fitiing (and adjusting several times!) it has gone on very well.

I deliberately cut the felt 20mm short all around the perimeter of the carpet, so that it creates an under shelf along the floor. This will allow the floor carpet edges to be pushed under the overhanging vertical carpet, making the floor edges slightly less critical for neatness as they'll be hidden.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3764/9...d8a51d4c_z.jpg

This spray on adhesive was suggested to me by an upholsterer I used for the door cards, as it is never lumpy, and I find it is brilliant to use (and easy to wipe off the over spray using white spirit).

For the very sharp eyed, I have fitted felt to the top of my centre tunnel section, between the seats, as width is at an absolute premium for my Audi A4 seats - even after reducing my tunnel down to only 95mm wide: even the thickness of the carpet will press against my seat sides, but hopefully it will all still fit when I come to re-fit them!?!
Just have to keep fingers crossed on that one - but its like so much of my car - I have pushed the limits all the way.

I've also trimmed the edges off the Sierra heater at the front/sides, as these would certainly have failed IVA unless covered up - and to have done so would have reduced the leg room.

AcC8braman 15th August 2013 08:23

Can't see your pics :(

AcC8braman 15th August 2013 08:28

On the point of the IVA, have you made provision for the rule change on the rear fog light.

Look on other forums, people have mixed views on interpretation.

Basically, the fog can come on with the lights, but if turning the lights off or engine off and then back on, you have to repress the fog light switch. So the fogs cannot come back on automatically.

Mine isn't like that :(

Mike 15th August 2013 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcC8braman (Post 45971)
Can't see your pics :(

Here you go...........have another look.
(I obviously can't cut and paste from a different host site!)

Regarding the Rear Fog Light - mine is like yours - I was not aware of it having to go off if the main switch is turned off and back on again - though it makes sense.

I guess it means adding a relay ?

AcC8braman 15th August 2013 09:34

All working now :)

I was reading up on the IVA section on Locostbuilders.com, new version was released on the 17/06/2013:

Rear fog lamps;
1. They must be operational
2. The correct number must be fitted to the vehicle (Table 1)
3. They must only emit a red light
4. The rear fog lamp(s) must only illuminate when dipped beam, main beam or front
fog lamps are lit (See Notes 3 & 4)

So note 3 and 4 says:

Note 3: front fog lamps may be illuminated with the side
lamps only.

And the important bit :-

Note 4: Either of the following applies:
1) The rear fog lamp(s) may continue to operate until the
position lamps are switched off, and the rear fog lamp(s)
must then remain off until deliberately switched on again

or


2) An audible warning, additional to the mandatory tell-tale
light, must be activated if the ignition is switched off or the
ignition key is withdrawn and the driver's door is opened,
whether the lamps in (RS4) are on or off, whilst the rear fog
lamp switch is in the "on" position.

On my Audi, there is no way of leaving them on as the stitch is part of the light switch.

If I leave the lights on and remove the key, I get a buzzer.

So on the Lambo, I will need to figure out the same. Some people are putting in relays.

There is a company stating the have a fix for this too - CARTEK Automotive

Mike 15th August 2013 09:41

More updates
 
There are few other things I've done that I'd not realised were not posted here:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8179/7...e8de270bd2.jpg

What use could this be?
With the brutal use of oxy-acetylene

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8447/7...44d1d54248.jpg

then an angle grinder to this

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7...ece159ed5d.jpg

and then cleaned up on a lathe:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7...87645d3b97.jpg

Three of these made a spare wheel support braket to bolt to my GRP boot lid -two to sandwich either side the GRP for strength, then a spacer, and this one on top for the spare to attach to.
Although it is robust there were two problems - brake discs are made to wear from a cast steel which can not be welded, so the spacer had to be bolted between the layers.

And the second? - its b***dy heavy!


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