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puma931 30th April 2014 11:31

Is there an update (inc new pics) of this conversion?

Tribute Automotive 30th April 2014 21:18

With the run up to Stoneleigh and the Kobra going into production, the SWB progress has slowed somewhat, but we will be back up to speed after the show and a much needed holiday.

Mister Towed 1st May 2014 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 54901)
With the run up to Stoneleigh and the Kobra going into production, the SWB progress has slowed somewhat, but we will be back up to speed after the show and a much needed holiday.

Will you have a SWB 'work in progress' at Stoneleigh?

I'm quite drawn to this one, I think it's going to really work.

Scottie22 2nd May 2014 09:10

Easy does it Mr T!
You know you can't afford a divorce!

puma931 8th May 2014 14:26

The Kobra looks great now it is painted (the blue one) so looking forward to see this one finished and painted before I decide which one to go for :-)

casamolino 8th May 2014 15:18

Puma931 , everything comes to those who wait! obviously i beleive that the SWB is the one to go for and having seen some of the work done by Chris and Dan the waiting will be worth while , Geoff .

casamolino 8th May 2014 15:28

I may not have a car to attach it to , but i do have a Made In Italy (Nardi) wheel , Geoff .http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/DSCF1440.jpg

Tribute Automotive 9th May 2014 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by casamolino (Post 55247)
Puma931 , everything comes to those who wait! obviously i beleive that the SWB is the one to go for and having seen some of the work done by Chris and Dan the waiting will be worth while , Geoff .

Thanks Geoff, sorry that you have had to wait a while longer but with the Kobra now sorted it's back onto the SWB again.

Here's some random shots of foam filling/filling of the wooden buck:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psc6302d1a.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps39edcad4.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps496a4323.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps34f60fae.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psabbc894d.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6572ef06.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psb3a7d471.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psd78765c5.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psc55b6d85.jpg

TVR doors look like a great starting point for the SWB shells and the Z3 skins:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1308fd87.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...pscf83e0d2.jpg

WorldClassAccident 9th May 2014 17:44

You might want to sand that a bit before you take a cast from it.

looks good though

casamolino 9th May 2014 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldClassAccident (Post 55279)
You might want to sand that a bit before you take a cast from it.

looks good though

Chris there is always somebody who wants to pick holes in your work :icon_lol: Geoff .

y cymro 10th May 2014 00:29

This is looking very exciting

puma931 17th May 2014 15:37

Is the plan to use the BMW doors as is, or to re-skin them?

Tribute Automotive 30th May 2014 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma931 (Post 55562)
Is the plan to use the BMW doors as is, or to re-skin them?

We are planning to retain the Z3 doors and over skin them.

Tribute Automotive 30th May 2014 21:43

Here's an idea that may or may not work, replacing the side windows on a Z3 softtop with one's from the "coupe". I need to do some photoshopping....

Filling on the wooden buck is still plodding on, pun intended!

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...pse88ba437.jpg

zagmad 30th May 2014 21:44

Helps with the continuation of the design language :-)

zagmad 30th May 2014 21:46

Quite like the side vent . Hint hint

Tribute Automotive 30th May 2014 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by zagmad (Post 55903)
Quite like the side vent . Hint hint

Bargain (?):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-Z3M-si...-/300894177900

zagmad 30th May 2014 22:03

If you knew of anyone could adapt a mold ;-) so as to shorten and use cut outs to vary the size of the vents and bar across.

y cymro 31st May 2014 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 55901)
Here's an idea that may or may not work, replacing the side windows on a Z3 softtop with one's from the "coupe". I need to do some photoshopping....

Filling on the wooden buck is still plodding on, pun intended!

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...pse88ba437.jpg

Good find. The rear of the glass looks much too high though for the roof line of the Swb. But if the window runners allow it to be that angle at the rear what about one made from polycarbonate?

Mitchelkitman 1st June 2014 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 55915)
Good find. The rear of the glass looks much too high though for the roof line of the Swb. But if the window runners allow it to be that angle at the rear what about one made from polycarbonate?

But if it fits with the glass a bit lower in the door is that a real problem? Much better than plastic ones surely!

y cymro 1st June 2014 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchelkitman (Post 55949)
But if it fits with the glass a bit lower in the door is that a real problem? Much better than plastic ones surely!

Think about it.
If the glass didn't rise as much there'd be a gap at the front top.
If the top face was angled back so as not to appear so high there'd be a gap at the quarter light and the angle of both runners would need to be altered to allow for the new position.

Of course, there's no reason why a custom sized glass window couldn't be made. But one in polycarbonate could be cut and rolled at home.

And the race cars had Perspex side windows. Good enough for SEFAC, good enough for me.

Mitchelkitman 1st June 2014 20:22

I should have read your note more carefully - I thought you meant too high (ie all along, not just the rear). Could swap it L to R so the shorter edge is at the rear if the curve is uniform and will therefore match with the quarter light frame?

Mister Towed 15th June 2014 13:52

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps551f2320.jpg

'nuff said.

Tribute Automotive 20th June 2014 21:32

A progress update.

The MGB tailgate from Geoff's car had all the excess metal removed and then placed on the wooden buck to give a better fit with the surrounding curves.

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d34974f.jpg

The existing SWB window opening is left undamaged for future use:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps44f5cf46.jpg

TVR Taymar doors were sectioned, the top edge will need lengthening and roling to fit the SWB opening:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps38acce6a.jpg

Cobra boot skin widened and edges reshaped is a pretty good fit:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9d345bad.jpg

Lots more filling and sanding still to do, but with a black guide coat on it is taking shape:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psafed2ca5.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4d3fc031.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psf70f89b6.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps995e616a.jpg

AcC8braman 20th June 2014 21:58

My god, I love how this is taking shape. If I hadn't just bought a 400 year old house, this would be my next project for sure.

Well done guys, you do some amazing work, very talented :)

Paul L 20th June 2014 22:03

Tribute - This is really coming together very nicely Chris. :cool:

I just wish I had a fraction of your fabrication skills.

Good luck with the rest of the build, Paul. :)

y cymro 21st June 2014 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 56571)
A progress update.
The MGB tailgate from Geoff's car had all the excess metal removed and then placed on the wooden buck to give a better fit with the surrounding curves.
The existing SWB window opening is left undamaged for future use

:wink:

That looks absolutely superb.
I hope the z3 allows the shape to transfer purely over to its new home.
Good job, and good luck

y cymro 21st June 2014 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by AcC8braman (Post 56572)
My god, I love how this is taking shape. If I hadn't just bought a 400 year old house, this would be my next project for sure

If you'd bought an older house instead you could have afforded one of these

casamolino 21st June 2014 08:44

I just knew the waiting was going to be worthwhile :icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin: , Geoff .

Mister Towed 21st June 2014 10:46

Wow, that's really coming together. I'm sure it'll sell really well once it's finished.

How're you going to address the fit of the side windows? Will you be using a two piece sliding arrangement like the original in something like Lexan?

Following this with interest, especially after drooling over this at CPOP last weekend -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps320eee9e.jpg

Down&Out 22nd June 2014 09:53

It gets better and better!

jones 22nd June 2014 15:08

This does look truly awesome I purchased a mx5 to do the mx250 kit but that is on the shelf until I see how this kit turns out unless this can be adapted for the mx too? :-)

Tribute Automotive 22nd June 2014 19:36

The other half of the roof now sorted

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a396241.jpg

Mitchelkitman 22nd June 2014 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 56579)
Wow, that's really coming together. I'm sure it'll sell really well once it's finished.

How're you going to address the fit of the side windows? Will you be using a two piece sliding arrangement like the original in something like Lexan?

Following this with interest, especially after drooling over this at CPOP last weekend -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps320eee9e.jpg

If they're flat and sliding (or up/down as well of course) they can be made out of regular glass and then tempered.

casamolino 24th June 2014 09:09

Thanks for all the comments , i will be sticking with the existing side window glass (rather than two pieces of sliding lexan) for the following reasons , pros , more secure than lexan , more weather tight than lexan , cons , will not be as the original . I am not having a exact replica made but something that can be used (not on a daily basis) but more than sunny Sundays . I dont have a garage/large shed (or front garden) available to work on the car , but probaly more important i do not have the skill to carry out the work reqd , also the car is going to be sitting outside the front of my house , this was one of the factors in picking the SWB shape rather than something like WCA`s convertible . If anybody has experiance of having a piece of glass cut to a specific shape for car use i would be interested in hearing , Geoff .

Mitchelkitman 24th June 2014 09:55

If it's flat then a glass place should be able to cut to a template, grind/polish the edges and then send it for tempering. You may need to hunt around before finding someone able/willing to do it. I got some done 25years ago.

Danny_HUFC 24th June 2014 10:47

any window firm will be able to do it if you supply them a template. will cost pennies and it wouldnt take long at all.

Mitchelkitman 24th June 2014 11:42

Not sure about pennies - You WILL need to get it tempered, otherwise it won't be safe.

jones 24th June 2014 11:49

So I had to know, having bought an MX5 with the view once all mechanicals are sorted in doing the mx250 kit but having seen this it has given second thoughts to the whole project.

So out came the laptop and a couple of pictures downloaded I came up with this..... not quite the success I was hoping for! the nose just is too short and thus the car looks unbalanced :icon_cry:
http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/...pse9322e11.jpg

puma931 24th June 2014 17:14

You could bond a bit of perspex/lexan which the standard window overlaps (see below). Might not be 100% water proof, but it is either this or expensive custom windows cut to size (v expensive). I think you somehow need to replicate to the 250 side window shape...

http://locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/250 window.jpg


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