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rochdaleGT 11th December 2018 19:18

http://www.tvr-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7742

oxford1360 11th December 2018 21:38

OK, rochdaleGT, my German is OK, and none of these references appear to be from people who have bought the car. Furthermore, they date from 2013, 2013 and 2015.

A lot of the comments are from someone called Micha...who will be very familiar to long-standing members of this forum - he liked to make a fool of himself. Comparing the style of English makes me wonder....could you be one and the same?

oxford1360 11th December 2018 21:59

Some things never change....


Mister Towed 11th December 2018 22:26

Hey, Rochdale, you're my kind of guy, yeah!

Clicked on your links and it was sooo good to see the German Triumph fans picking up on the Sammio Spyder and really getting the zeitgeist (I know your English ain't that good so that kinda translates as 'vibe') to the point where they've even linked to a youtube clip of my pals Phil Jacklin and Barry May's cars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upO-OOPe91s

And, hey, they both still have their cars and both absolutely love them, despite them being built in a shed! In England! By a Britisher called Phil! Scheisse!

Lucky@LeMans 11th December 2018 22:38

Great video and great cars ! That's why we love this hobby !

Mister Towed 12th December 2018 07:26

Rochdale, I've just seen your Sportster over on the Marlin front suspension thread and it's a nice car.

There are a few things that aren't to my taste - I don't think the acid green over blue colour scheme works too well and I've never liked black wheels - but those are matters of personal taste.

What I'm struggling to understand, though, is how someone who owns a prototype roadster knocked together in a shed from an assortment of Ford, Rover and laying about the workshop parts, and clearly is justifiably proud of their car, can constantly and monotonously blather on about how bad other people's cars are.

Lucky is spot on with his observation above - that video epitomises the hobby, decent people enjoying their eccentric cars to the full, and if someone wants to pay quite a lot of money to join in the fun (which you seem to have done by buying rather than building your Marlin, btw) then that's their business.

Lucky@LeMans 12th December 2018 13:28

Rochdale's car looks like a good example and will no doubt drive and handle very well with that powerful and light weight V8.

I'm not going to be drawn into the value vs costs vs quality. Its all very subjective and at the end of the day its between the buyer and seller, enthusiast to enthusiast. You pays your money and takes your choice.

Mister Towed 26th December 2018 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by oxford1360 (Post 98053)
A lot of the comments are from someone called Micha...who will be very familiar to long-standing members of this forum - he liked to make a fool of himself. Comparing the style of English makes me wonder....could you be one and the same?

Can't help wondering myself if RochdaleGT and Micha are one and the same, but is there any evidence?

Some years ago, before he got banned from the site for being an obnoxious troll and all his posts were deleted by the moderators, Micha was asked by Psycho Pops to prove that he had the impressive car collection that he claimed to own/have owned.

His response (copied from a reply from Tribute Automotive posted 5th November 2012 on the Sammio Spyder for Sale with options... thread http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=3937 ) was as follows:

to satisfy your couriosity im not a builder, i prefer to buy ready built cars or projects and improve them. im actually owning certain british made cars (e.g. scimitar, lotus, ginetta) and have owned at least another 15 lotus/tvr or kitcars.

So, quite an unusual selection of cars: Lotus, Reliant, TVR and Ginetta, plus a number of kitcars.

Now, by sheer coincidence, over on the Marlin forum http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=2518 I recently asked RochdaleGT to prove he owned the prototype v8 roadster that he claims to have in his extensive car collection, but can't take any pictures of, and this was his reply:

just to list some of the cars i owned (and some still own) in the last 20y:

8 lotus eclat /excel/elite, 3 TVR tasmin, 1 Rover P6, 2 Ginetta G4/S4, 1 Ginetta G15, 1 Ginetta G27, 2 Sylva Phoenix, 4 sylva striker (here you could contact jeremy phillips, the founderr of sylva autokits as a prove) , 5 westfiels, 1 sammio, 2 Reliant scimitars, 1 marlin berlinetta, 1 marlin sportster, 2 locost, 2 dutton, 1 clan crusader, 1 jeffey j5 seven, 1 fisher fury, 2 NG v8, 1 TVR chimaera, 1 jensen healey.

and several sylvas and westfields where i was involved into the purchase from friends.


So, quite an unusual selection of cars: Lotus, Reliant, TVR and Ginetta, plus a number of kitcars.

Hmm, the collection seems to have grown a bit, but does it sound familiar?

Maybe there are two enthusiasts, both living in Germany, both claiming to own pretty much exactly the same selection of cars, both refusing to prove they own any of them and both posting rude comments here, insulting genuine builders cars, accusing them of falsifying documentation, poor build standards, getting overspray on their wheels, etc., etc. ad nauseam?

Or perhaps, there's just one sad individual with nothing better to do than cause trouble on somebody else's hobby forum, making exaggerated claims about his own specialist car history while contributing absolutely nothing positive to whatever is being discussed.

No doubt RochdaleGT will disagree with the above, citing coincidence, perhaps, and there may even be someone who'll chip in to defend him and accuse me of being the trouble maker in passive-aggressive style (and, why yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands being comfortably retired), but my mind's made up:

RochdaleGT is indeed TTFKAM, The Troll Formerly Known As Micha.

rochdaleGT 27th December 2018 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 98281)
Can't help wondering myself if RochdaleGT and Micha are one and the same, but is there any evidence?

Some years ago, before he got banned from the site for being an obnoxious troll and all his posts were deleted by the moderators, Micha was asked by Psycho Pops to prove that he had the impressive car collection that he claimed to own/have owned.

His response (copied from a reply from Tribute Automotive posted 5th November 2012 on the Sammio Spyder for Sale with options... thread http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=3937 ) was as follows:

to satisfy your couriosity im not a builder, i prefer to buy ready built cars or projects and improve them. im actually owning certain british made cars (e.g. scimitar, lotus, ginetta) and have owned at least another 15 lotus/tvr or kitcars.

So, quite an unusual selection of cars: Lotus, Reliant, TVR and Ginetta, plus a number of kitcars.

Now, by sheer coincidence, over on the Marlin forum http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=2518 I recently asked RochdaleGT to prove he owned the prototype v8 roadster that he claims to have in his extensive car collection, but can't take any pictures of, and this was his reply:

just to list some of the cars i owned (and some still own) in the last 20y:

8 lotus eclat /excel/elite, 3 TVR tasmin, 1 Rover P6, 2 Ginetta G4/S4, 1 Ginetta G15, 1 Ginetta G27, 2 Sylva Phoenix, 4 sylva striker (here you could contact jeremy phillips, the founderr of sylva autokits as a prove) , 5 westfiels, 1 sammio, 2 Reliant scimitars, 1 marlin berlinetta, 1 marlin sportster, 2 locost, 2 dutton, 1 clan crusader, 1 jeffey j5 seven, 1 fisher fury, 2 NG v8, 1 TVR chimaera, 1 jensen healey.

and several sylvas and westfields where i was involved into the purchase from friends.


So, quite an unusual selection of cars: Lotus, Reliant, TVR and Ginetta, plus a number of kitcars.

Hmm, the collection seems to have grown a bit, but does it sound familiar?

Maybe there are two enthusiasts, both living in Germany, both claiming to own pretty much exactly the same selection of cars, both refusing to prove they own any of them and both posting rude comments here, insulting genuine builders cars, accusing them of falsifying documentation, poor build standards, getting overspray on their wheels, etc., etc. ad nauseam?

Or perhaps, there's just one sad individual with nothing better to do than cause trouble on somebody else's hobby forum, making exaggerated claims about his own specialist car history while contributing absolutely nothing positive to whatever is being discussed.

No doubt RochdaleGT will disagree with the above, citing coincidence, perhaps, and there may even be someone who'll chip in to defend him and accuse me of being the trouble maker in passive-aggressive style (and, why yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands being comfortably retired), but my mind's made up:

RochdaleGT is indeed TTFKAM, The Troll Formerly Known As Micha.

Mr Towed:

it seems that your only intense is to put my name in a bad light.
YOU hi-jacked the marlin thread with an OFFENSIVE forum-posting. WITHOUT any reference to the thread opener...it was just to put my posting, that im owing the marlin-prototpye, into a bad light and calling me a kind of liar...but you still have NOT phoned to marlin who will confirm that im the owner of the works-prototype.. now you try to use collected info from MY honest marlin forumss positng AGAINST me....wow, thats not nice!!!

rochdaleGT 27th December 2018 03:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 98062)
Rochdale, I've just seen your Sportster over on the Marlin front suspension thread and it's a nice car.

There are a few things that aren't to my taste - I don't think the acid green over blue colour scheme works too well and I've never liked black wheels - but those are matters of personal taste.

What I'm struggling to understand, though, is how someone who owns a prototype roadster knocked together in a shed from an assortment of Ford, Rover and laying about the workshop parts, and clearly is justifiably proud of their car, can constantly and monotonously blather on about how bad other people's cars are.

Lucky is spot on with his observation above - that video epitomises the hobby, decent people enjoying their eccentric cars to the full, and if someone wants to pay quite a lot of money to join in the fun (which you seem to have done by buying rather than building your Marlin, btw) then that's their business.

now i tell you...again something "negative": (even its MY car)

the cars (marlins ) color scheme is horrible...but that was the choice of marlin during the time they built and improved the car. and its a kitcar without any "real" histotric value or any other value....its a kitcar...so why should i change it...its just wasting money... anyway...there was an owner in-between marlin and me:

when i purchased the car it was the "TYPICAL" Uk -Kitcar purchase: the owner (the one after marlin) advertized it...car did not sell (too expensive)...i told him that already when the advert was active during a long conversation....but he was stuborn....ok, i waited....finally he offered me the car for 2/3rd of the advert price (exactly the price i told him from the beginning)...we agreed a deal...i travelled to him.

it was my FIRST rover v8 powered car, i have EVER seen, heard etc...it took excatly 5 seconds after engine start that is was clear: this engine is not healthy....even my mate, who has hardly any idea about cars told me "hey that car sounds strange"

the seller was shocked...i told him "guy, i drove 1500km to you, for collecting a car and you are presenting me a v8 which runs just on 5 or max. 6 cylinders"...a shame!!!

i aksed him to touch the exhaust manifolds...so he could feel that seveal pipes where cold or only medium-warm...he agreed
(just to repeat : HE owned the car for neraly 10 YEARS!!)

it turned out that 1 spark-plug was damaged and on 2 cylinders the valve-spring retainers where cracked, the valves dropped, hit the piston and got slightly bent.

when i removed the heads and inspected the retainers by x-ray...it turned out that the damage must have accured already years ago (contacted the retainer manufacturer, they confirmed a faulty series in that years).....so the guy drove around for years with a v8 , just running on max 6 cylinders....(just to repeat : HE owned the car for neraly 10 YEARS!!) and EXACTLY this "behavior" from an owner, "living with / ignoring defects" is going through plenty of cars i have purchased in UK ....no matter which brand the car was, or which social-status the onwer had.

the repair was done with 2 new valves, new retainers all around, head gaskets and 1 day of labour....obiously the former owner had to pay for it.

and i could report ENDLESS stories from other cars, purchased over the last 20 years (not only by me....also by friends, club members etc), which show similarities. no matter if the car costs 1000pound or 20.0000 pound.... there was hardly ANY deal which did not turn out to have some severe hidden defects....mostly good for me (us), as the sellers had to pay for it.
by the way: mostly mot-relevant problems...even those cars had a fresh MOT....ALL relevant Mot stations where reported to VOSA and DVLA.


thats why im cirtisizing the slightest imperfections seen on web adverts, as behind all "small"defects or "honest" desciptions of defects mostly comes a serious problem...i might often be harsh and not diplomatic (truth is thruth) but my long time expireince has meanwhile come to a status where it hardly fails. maybe sometimes a bit to skeptical...but better safe than sorry.

Mister Towed 27th December 2018 08:14

Hello again, Micha. It does rather beg the question, if they're all so bad, why do you keep buying them?

I'm also assuming that the law wherever you are must be different to the UK: here, unless you're buying from a dealer (and it sounds like you are working as a dealer yourself, so there are different rules here governing trade to trade sales), the price is negotiated at the point of sale and the vehicle is legally 'sold as seen' unless a different contract is put in writing. That makes the buyer responsible for the cost of any work needed to get it to the standard desired by the buyer, not the seller.

When I sold my own Spyder, as it went for a not insubstantial price (comfortably over 25,000 Euros) and the buyer didn't have the time to view it before having it collected and transported to his private collection, I gave him a written, money-back guarantee - return the car in the condition it left me within one month, and I'd hand back every penny.

The buyer hadn't asked for that guarantee and I didn't have to offer it to get the sale, I just thought it was the right thing to do given the specialist nature of the vehicle.

The buyer kept the car and it now lives among the Gods (well, some very nice classic Ferraris anyway).

Parked outside my mate Chuck Windsor's place -
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psrp4sw01p.jpg

Bye bye Spyder -
https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums...ps8phc01p9.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psnshc233s.jpg

Happy in its new home -
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psz823kw15.jpg

Before the buyer came up with an offer of the full asking price less his transport costs of a few hundred pounds, I had turned down three offers approaching 20k Euros from UK private buyers, and was considering offers of around 20k Euros from two European dealers, one Belgian and one French (maybe one of them was you?).

After it sold (within two weeks), an ad I placed in 'Octane' magazine (a must-read for any classic car enthusiast imho) went live (not a scam on my part, btw, it just took a month before they published my ad and the car had already sold), and I continued to receive contact from potential buyers from as far afield as Singapore for six months after the car went.

I guess, the moral of this rather lengthy tale, Micha, is that sometimes, a specialist car can be worth far more than the sum of its parts, and some amateur builders can actually put a really desirable car together., warts and all.

But then, if you really were as Madabout Kitcars as I am, you'd already know that, wouldn't you?

Paul L 27th December 2018 11:17

Mr T - Going forward, I wouldn't waste the energy replying.

I have certainly wasted enough of my time in the past on this.

I would much rather see you posting about your Speedster build or Midget mods. :cool:

Your original Sammio Spyder 'Build' and 'On the road' treads, plus your (literally) hundreds of replies on my own build thread helped me to finish my build and get my own car on the road. And, despite its many faults, I still take great pride in the fact I built this car myself (with some professional help in places).

Cheers, Paul. :)

peterux 27th December 2018 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 98214)
I'll sign off for good now and won't be back as I don't want to further feed the troll.

Oh really, we wish you well!:wave::wave::wave:

Munky 27th December 2018 14:22

There’s lots of love all over the Internet for these cars.
I frequent this VW site and there’s some serious love for Sammio, Tribute, migila and others.

I find it interesting reading what others think to the hobby.

https://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showth...492697&page=70

And if anyone thinks the state of UK cars are bad, you should come to the US. In my state, if it dives, you can drive it. No inspections. There are some real heaps crawling around on the roads!

Mister Towed 29th December 2018 08:11

Just posted the below over on the Marlin thread (by accident as it happens but decided to leave it there), so apologies if you've already read it.

Hi Jeff and anyone else who's still following this debate, which is probably getting quite tiresome for all involved.

I've taken a day off even accessing the madabout site to have a think about where all this is going, how it started in the first place and who's trolling who.

This is from Wikipedia -

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

Reading that, what I'm guilty of is getting drawn into responding emotionally to RochdaleGT (aka Micha)'s deliberately provocative posts, probably because I'm quite passionate and protective about our hobby.

If anyone cares to look, click on Rochdale's username then select 'Find all posts' and you'll see dozens and dozens of examples of an individual who repeatedly starts provocative topics, insulting other builders/owners cars without even seeing them, and criticising the UK kit car industry generally without ever contributing anything positive that couldn't just bee googled.

Check my post history and you'll find thousands of posts about building and running cars.

Okay, so you'll also find that I have, ahem, fairly strong opinions on some things and fell out with Jeff H over whether an amateur kit car builder should spray their own car or pay a professional to do it, and I should have just walked away from that when it became an all-out argument and stopped being a positive debate.

For that, and for calling you a troll, which you're not according to the definition above, Jeff H, I unreservedly apologise.

So, on reflection, the best thing I can do now is completely ignore any posts by Rohcdale/Micha, as in the grand scheme of things he really isn't going to damage our hobby by posting half-arsed insults about cars he's never seen while claiming a long, personal history of buying real lemons.

So, back to cars for me from now on, time for a quick shower then I'm off to the Brass Monkeys Run up to the North Norfolk Coast in my Midget. Hope to be making the same run in my 356 Speedster next year.

Happy New Year, Everyone!


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