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Sammio Builder 4th August 2011 22:43

DVLA Inspection
 
Yesterday I had my DVLA inspection!

The weather was sunny and very, very hot!

Gary met me there and Stewart from the DVLA local office did the inspection.

The whole inspection took less than 10 minutes, so very different to my last kitcar which had an SVA test, and only passed on the third attempt! (Not my fault!)

Details here

Trevor
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

davecymru 5th August 2011 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammio Builder (Post 22224)

The weather was sunny and very, very hot!

Git!
:)

Well done matey, you're onto the home straight now!
Are you going to bring it to the Exeter show if you do get it done in time?

mulberry 5th August 2011 15:14

well done, i better pull my finger out and get mine done, did you book it much in advance..?

Sammio Builder 6th August 2011 01:21

Around 2 weeks, but most seem to be booked the week before.

Trevor
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

Psycho pops 6th August 2011 01:22

Trevor,
Did you have the shin bashers and all ends cut off before the inspection? no problems with DVLA?

Sammio Builder 6th August 2011 01:34

The chassis can't be cut or sections removed in any way for the DVLA inspection.

Trevor
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

Psycho pops 6th August 2011 10:18

Thats as i understood it, take it you despatched with yours immediately after looking at your pics...

Mister Towed 6th August 2011 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammio Builder (Post 22244)
The chassis can't be cut or sections removed in any way for the DVLA inspection.

Trevor
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

Anyone know what legislation the rules about iva inspections and whether or not you need one comes under and where it can be accessed?

Sammio Builder 6th August 2011 21:55

Well its one of these options here

In fact, I think its this page here

Happy reading!

Trevor.
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

Mister Towed 6th August 2011 23:16

Thanks for posting the link Trevor.

The key bit for me is this:

"To keep the original registration number your vehicle must have eight or more points. This must include the original or new and unmodified chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame."

To me it looks like a matter of interpretation regarding mods to the chassis prior to the inspection: The way it reads to me is that a new chassis needs to be an unmodified one, barring a switch to a tube or spaceframe chassis, for example, whereas the original chassis is just that, whether it's been drilled, welded, lightented, etc or not.

Any DVLA inspectors out there with a view on this one? :frusty:

Sammio Builder 9th August 2011 17:32

Mister Towed, more info here.

I've found another very useful link, with direct quotes from the DVLA.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/rebodying-...ification.html

Interesting reading.....

Trevor.
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

Mister Towed 22nd August 2011 19:16

Very useful link: best to leave the back of the chassis sticking out the back of the shell as 'bumper mounts' until the inspection's completed and signed off then. Doesn't appear to be any rule about changing your mind and chopping them off afterwards, though... :noidea:

BTW, sorry for the delay in replying, been aborad for a couple of weeks and banned from the computer by she who must be obeyed.

WorldClassAccident 11th September 2012 08:51

This section off the ACE website is probably most pertinent to Sammio builoders looking at the rear of the chassis and lowered floor plans. Quoted from DVLA:

It is NOT allowable to shorten the main chassis construction in any way ,even past suspension mounting areas ,for example, ‘Bobtailing’ of Land Rovers.

Both of these modifications would lead to the loss of the chassis ‘Identity’ and, therefore, it’s 5 points.

Primarily, the replacement body should be modified to fit the chassis structure rather than the other way round.

If additional floor supports are required, for example, these should form part of the body and bolt to bodymounts, of the type mentioned above, on the chassis.

Paul D 22nd September 2012 21:44

And another one gets inspected!

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...psc4863742.jpg

Many thanks to both Gary, Mike & Dave for giving up their time for me on Thursday when our inspection took place in Poole. A completely painless experience, I would thoroughly recommend to any other Sammio builder within reasonable travelling time. Looking forward to the new document coming through soon. Great to see what whats cooking in the workshops & thanks for all the valuable build tips.

Cheers guys!

Mister Towed 22nd September 2012 22:41

Congratulations! It's quite a milestone, isn't it. Nice wheels btw, very shiny.

davecymru 23rd September 2012 09:11

While I am chuffed for you, I do think that having your inspection in the dry does seem like "cheating" somehow... not that I'm jealous in any way you understand! :)


Look good matey. So it'll be all done by Exeter then! ;-)

lancelot link 23rd September 2012 09:56

LOOKS LIKE I BROKE THE VOSA REGULATION THERE ....No spanners sign and I stood right next to it !!

We actually got two done at the same time...a build for a guy in Warminster called Burt who bought a kit about 9 months ago....

Paul D 1st November 2012 20:57

Having had a successful inspection at VOSA in Poole on 20th September, I have waited patiently for five weeks for the DVLA to send through the new V5c document.

When nothing had turned up this week I finally got on the phone to DVLA Swansea to find they had not received any documentation.

Five phone-calls and half a day later (no surprise there I guess...), I discovered that said documentation from the inspection was still sitting in Bournemouth DVLA office's in their IN TRAY for vehicles AWAITING inspection. Nobody knew why, or even questioned it.

I have today received back by post my original Sammio body-kit receipts from Bournemouth DVLA, with a note advising that I will now have to wait a further 4 - 6 weeks for Swansea to issue the new V5c.

As it happens, none of this delay really matters to me at the moment - but it could be a showstopper to others.

The moral of the tale is: Don't rely on DVLA getting things done. Chase them up early and keep chasing or you might just wait for ever!

Paul D.

oxford1360 1st November 2012 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D (Post 36989)
I have today received back by post my original Sammio body-kit receipts from Bournemouth DVLA.

Do you have to submit the body-kit receipt with the paperwork? If so, I might have to get a replacement from Gary.

Mister Towed 1st November 2012 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by oxford1360 (Post 36992)
Do you have to submit the body-kit receipt with the paperwork? If so, I might have to get a replacement from Gary.

I didn't need to at Peterborough. I meant to mention that I'd lost it but plain forgot on the day and it was never raised as an issue. Then again, mine was the fifth or sixth one the chap had done.

I was beginning to fret about my V5 not showing up when my wife said 'oh, by the way, this came for you ages ago'...:icon_frown:

AndyP57 1st November 2012 21:39

I agree Paul. After waiting a good 3 months after my Spyder's Bournemouth inspection I chased it with DVLA and similarly to you, the paperwork was still in a tray on someone's desk. Once kick started my V5C arrived in just over a week. I remember Gaz had the same experience. Great to hear yours is sorted now.

AndyP57 1st November 2012 21:41

I didn't have to show any receipts for either Spyder nor Cordite inspections

Paul D 1st November 2012 22:33

The very helpful instructions shown on the Sammio company website under the section 'Registering your Sammio', originally written by Gary, indicates that the original body package receipt from the Sammio company should be included with the V627/1 form along with your V5c registration document when applying for the inspection.

I have no idea if this is essential, but it seemed safer to go along with providing receipts since I had them available. Gary kindly submitted the paperwork for the inspection on my behalf for a very modest fee and all I had to do was turn up on the day. It was all over in about ten minutes. I presume that with his past experience of these inspections Gary had found it useful to provide the receipts at some point, perhaps to formally verify the origin of the body.

Paul D.

Paul D 23rd November 2012 19:36

Surprise surprise, guess what turned up in today's post at long last!

I now have a V5C for a 'Sammio Spyder'.

Section 3. special notes on the front page say: Kit built / converted - assembled from parts all of which may not be new. (They're not wrong there).

For the record it is nine weeks to the day from our inspection in Poole, so if you are in a hurry - I would suggest you book early!

Nike55 23rd November 2012 23:35

Congratulations on receiving your paperwork!

The way it's going I should get mine by Easter. Hell why not, resurrection and all that!

Mister Towed 5th April 2014 16:49

Anyone got recent experience of registering their rebody since DVLA local offices all closed last year?

http://dvla-offices.co.uk/peterborough/

Andys P57 & 85 - I have to say the 'Registering a Ribble Kit' page on your website is currently a bit devoid of info, with just the form (helpfully) partially completed but nothing else.

How are you guys registering your turnkeys? Do you still have to present the vehicle somewhere at the half built stage, or is it all by post these days?

blooka 10th April 2014 21:27

I`m getting close to the stage of registering Mr T and would also like to know how easy it is to get my sammy through

Mister Towed 11th April 2014 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by blooka (Post 54246)
I`m getting close to the stage of registering Mr T and would also like to know how easy it is to get my sammy through

Hi Blooka. The process was very straightforward for me, there was a chap at the Peterborough DVLA office who had done half a dozen Sammios so knew what he was dealing with.

Others weren't so lucky with inexperienced local officers telling other builders they needed to go down the onerous IVA route. :(

Trouble is, DVLA have now closed all the local offices, which is why I posted my request for current information - I'm getting the itch to build another - but nobody has yet answered how you go about changing the log book and/or having it inspected.

Come on Andy's P57 & 85, I know you're busy but let's have some solid information about the current rebody inspection process. After all, there might be another kit sale on the cards...

AndyP57 11th April 2014 10:15

Hi All,

I'm afraid we're as much in the dark as you are at present as all our current turnkeys are bound for France, Germany and Greece who all require export to be made with the original donor V5 and any changes are made 'in country'. We have just started Navigator Turnkey 003 which will be a UK based car and as soon as we make our way through the legalities of the new system we'll be posting our experiences here along with an update of the registration page on our web site.

We wish we could be more helpful here but until we've done it, all we can go on is other builder's experiences.

mas123mas 8th May 2014 09:07

Hi All, I am now Very Very Confused.

Obviously I am not at the inspection stage yet (far from it), yet I have been trying to understand the DVLA inspections process.

Searching the internet, for DVLA, VOSA etc.... only to find out VOSA now defunct and is now called DVSA. So I called them, absolutely no use what so ever, they told me call DVLA. Vehicle Registration and Tax enquiries 0300 790 6802, they where a little bit more helpful.

There recommendation where put the vehicle through Voluntary IVA (which is more expensive than a normal IVA?????). So, I said that I had been informed that I do not need a IVA, just an inspection.

The nice lady then said, go on the website on .gov website and she give me the web-address https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-de...need-to-update, read it does it fall in to any of these catogies, I said "Yes", replacing the bodyshell.
1. Changes you'll need to update
You must update your registration certificate (V5C) if there are any mistakes on it, or if you make any of the following changes to your vehicle:
  • colour
  • engine
  • cylinder capacity (cc)
  • fuel type
  • replacing or modifying the chassis or bodyshell
  • seating capacity
  • weight of a goods vehicle
  • tax class changed to ‘disabled’

She then said, just amend the "V5c" and complete a "Built up vehicle report V627/1", and send to Swansea, they will then process.

I like this approach but surely, there must be an inspection???:doh:

froggyman 8th May 2014 09:24

The next section reads as follows:-

Changes that may need to be inspected
Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:

wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.

So in our case an inspection will probably be the case.

mas123mas 8th May 2014 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by froggyman (Post 55237)
The next section reads as follows:-

Changes that may need to be inspected
Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:

wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.

So in our case an inspection will probably be the case.

I mentioned this to the lady on the phone, she asked about the body type, I said "it will be a two-door open top", she then said, it is registered on your V5c as a 2-door.

My V5c does not say saloon or convertible as my other Vitesse and herald do.

I think there will be an inspection, but I will just have to wait and find out. Hoping some else get to the inspection stage before I do. Just prove that DVLA and DVSA (VOSA) don't talk to each other.

Paul L 8th May 2014 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mas123mas (Post 55238)
... Hoping someone else gets to the inspection stage before I do...

+1

However, I've just had a look at my Spitfire's V5C and the body type is listed as "Sports".

I know it is wishful thinking on my part, but does this mean I don't need an inspection? :pray:

Based on WCA's recent experience I know have to keep the make as Triumph.
( Unlike the earlier Sammio builders. )

So the only two things that need to change on my V5C are the model & colour.

I've been meaning to chase up on my previous enquires for ages, so I will have another go at finding some answers shortly.

I'll keep you posted, cheers, Paul. :)

mas123mas 9th May 2014 09:36

Latest eMail from the DVLA

Dear Mr Skelton

Thank you for your email received on 8/5/14. Your email reference number is XXXXXX.

It may be helpful if I explain that, a radically altered vehicle is one which is radically altered from its original specification, but which is not a kit conversion.

DVLA assesses each vehicle on its own merits. This includes a examination of the documentary evidence and possibly a physical inspection of the vehicle.

Applications should be submitted to MASET, DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1ZZ.

Documents required:-
• Completed V55/5 application or
• V5C
• Completed Customers Built Up Inspection report V627/1 form
• Receipts / Invoices for all major parts used
• MOT (If applicable)
• ID Documents (Photocopies are acceptable)

You will receive a response within 2-4 weeks.

I trust this information is of assistance to you.

Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:

emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail/dvla/en/reply_form_vehicles.html

When filling in the form the email reference number XXXXXXX will be required.

Regards


B James
DVLA Contact Centre

davecymru 9th May 2014 16:26

Aren't they getting "Radically altered vehicle" and "re-bodied classic" mixed up here? again... as i'm sure we've been round this 2 or 3 years ago?

What Ribble/Tribute/Mike do is provide parts to allow us to simply rebody classic cars in the coachbuilders traditional way and end up with a 'special'.
As we keep chassis, engine etc and all the mechanical components it's certainly not a 'kit conversion' it's just a re-panel/re-body!

All that said, i can remember that when i read up on all of this in detail a few years ago (as i'm a bit OCD like that!) the 're-bodied classic' route was never really documented on the website, but it was in their paper forms and procedures.
So i'd suggest that if you end up talking to a clone-on-the-phone who just tries to look this up on the web site and replies with the std "computer says no" auto-answer then try and help as much as you can with and describe that 150+ others have already gone through this with no problems!



Also I think that they can't be allowed to add in their own personal criteria and add in this term "kit conversion" as that's not in their rules and means nothing.

i.e.
is a MR2 r-errari 355 a Radically altered vehicle - yup.
but was it also made from a 'kit conversion' - also yup.

So adding that sneaky term in allows them to more easily interpret the guidance how they feel depending on who you talk to and what mood they're in!

<rant over>


Dave :)

HouseMartin 10th May 2014 18:14

Update May 2014
 
I have been chasing my V5 from DVLA and they have sent back that I provided an MOT for the G46.
Whilst I understand that it will need n MOT before it goes back on the road,
I was not aware it was required for changing the V5 details.

Anyway, if I get an MOT it seems I do not need an inspection.
Maybe it is because I mentioned that I has changed the external panels,
but could still unbolt the whole body from the chasis like the original scimitar body.

I did inquire as to who was doing the inspections after the 6 month transfer period and they informed me that it was staying with VOSA.

So I need to get wipers and washers for my 356 screen or remove it/fit a smaller screen for the MOT.
A bit requirement is a friendly MOT station, as my local just failed my daily driver for having indicators not orange enough!!

HM

Marc F 19th August 2014 14:45

Any developments since May guys? Would be interested to hear anyone's current experiences.

All teh best - thanks.

Mister Towed 19th August 2014 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc F (Post 58721)
Any developments since May guys? Would be interested to hear anyone's current experiences.

All teh best - thanks.

Useful links to current practice/experience over on the Tribute page -

Can't seem to post direct links, but if you look at the threads entitled 'changing the V5' and 'IanA's Z300S barchetta build' there's some interesting developments there.

Marc F 19th August 2014 15:00

Registration links
 
Sorry Mr T - am I just thick - these seem to link to a home page showing news. Sorry if I am being daft though.

Thanks

Marc

Oops - see you have changed it now - I will go searching as you suggest :-)

Marc F 19th August 2014 15:08

Ok, some interesting reading there - if I read these correctly, rebodying my Triumph with a Miglia bodyshell, whilst not changing anything else, can be accomplished by form V627/1 and a large dollop of hoping.

Looking at the form, am I right in thinking the only receipt I would need to attach would be a body shell invoice from Mike (as nothing else has changed)?


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