Good morning many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to provide info and advice , one of my reasons for asking the question was that i recently bought these from Ebay
what i should have done was more research! well anyway with the Orson adapters fitted the rears are proud of the bodywork by approx 1.5" , they do look really good (this is from someone that has said previously they would not fit wires) so they are now for sale (Ebay) , i also have a set of Orson adapters plus the two eared spinners available , Geoff .