Maybe Another New Sammio kit!!! - Page 2

oxford1360 · #21 6th January 2016, 21:09

I was expecting to see a Herald chassis when you removed the body. Are you planning to put it through IVA..........

Paul L · #22 6th January 2016, 21:34

Micky1Mo - I'm certainly no expert, but if it was me, I'd make a copy of the Herald based body shell...

Then slice that copy straight down the middle, from nose to tail!

Once either side of the body work at least covered the main frame rails the gap between the two halves could be "bridged".

This should also give you more room in the footwells for the pedals & cover more of the front suspension too.

You would still be left with the overall look of a racing car body, but with a lot less of the hassle.

But what do I know?

Good luck, Paul.

micky1mo · #23 7th January 2016, 08:52

Oxford 13/60 The existing chassis/engine are unknown so if used an IVA would be needed.
We are using a Triumph Spitfire chassis, engine and running gear to get around this as it then becomes a body swap SAMMIO style.

Fortunately the owner has the original receipts for the body which relates to a Triumph based kit which should help when dealing with DVLA.

Paul L Cutting the body would improve things and involve a lot of work but part of the Monaco's charm is the "cigar tube" shape.
That said the front end will need a little cutting.

Paul L · #24 7th January 2016, 11:28

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Originally Posted by micky1mo

... part of the Monaco's charm is the "cigar tube" shape...

My theory is that you would still keep keep the cigar shape, just supersize it a bit.

Mind you, I know even less about cigars.

micky1mo · #25 8th January 2016, 17:13

Got some time in today.

First thing was to fix the tie-rods on the rear axle.
I know the standard way it to build some sort of framework and weld/bolt it to the chassis but as always I relay on KISS.

I removed the front tie-bar bracket from the Spitfire bodywork and fitted them to the centre chassis mount.

Then simply extended the tie-bar to fit.

This means I can still use the original shims to get the axle sitting right

I did beef-up the mount with a reinforcing plate.

Less time , less effort and a neat looking job

Simple but effective

micky1mo · #26 8th January 2016, 17:56

Another job completed today was fitting the body tub.

Firstly I removed the bonnet hinge box.

I then cut off the outer bumper bracket.

This left a stumpy chassis rail but the main chassis remains unaltered.

Now I was stuck with a choice, cut the main chassis rail so the body would fit over it making a neat job (but this might up-set DVLA) or cut the body work and leave the chassis exposed.

After much thought and a chat with John it was the body work that got the chop.

Again it didn't turn out to bad

Looks OK, I might be able to use the protruding chassis to fit the lights or indicators.

Now the body sitting straight you can get the feel for the car.

Next is the steering and pedal box

Mister Towed · #27 8th January 2016, 18:26

And perhaps with a bit of work...

Paul L · #28 9th January 2016, 07:33

Mr T - Very Nice.

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Micky1Mo - The front end of my Spitfire chassis matches the way you have done this one.

And I believe that this is 100% within the DVLA rules regarding an original, unmodified chassis.

"Chassis includes the full original length of the longitudinal members"

I know DonnySoutherner pushed that definition when he fitted his bonnet hinges.

But I think his interpretation of the rules is OK too, although everyone should make their own decisions.
( As I was able to hinge my bonnet with the wider set up, I didn't need to cut any further. )

Good luck getting everything else to fit in the small spaces available.

Cheers, Paul.

MightyNimrod · #29 11th January 2016, 19:59

Hi folks, sorry to be absent - I moved house before Christmas and it has taken Openreach until now to sort out my phone and broadband. To my ex Royal Air Force mates Hi! Yes, I am thinking CXX colours, a small roundel and maybe even a CXX Sqn badge may make it on to the car (but just the one and quite small). Only trouble is I need to lose about 4 stone to fit in the wretched thing! Visited Mike today and car is coming on nicely. Hoping to drive it at the end of the week

MightyNimrod · #30 15th February 2016, 21:30

Met with Mike today and really pleased with the car. Looks fantastic and should be ready for MOT soon. Mike has done a great job

Mister Towed · #31 16th February 2016, 06:35

Nice work. Lots of potential in the old Moss Monaco open wheeled racer look. Now get it into production!

Paul L · #32 20th February 2016, 11:54

MightyNimrod - Given the fact that you were originally being forced to sell the car, this is turning into a great result.

Good luck, Paul.

micky1mo · #33 24th February 2016, 18:03

I have now put this car together but it's been fighting me all the way.
I was planning to MOT it Monday but a gear box linkage problem meant the body had to come off after I had fitted the dash, lined the boot ,seals the access points etc.

Still here a few photos.

The grill is Land Rover 90/110 cut down.

I think the high level brake light looks very period.

The exhaust was made out of leftover bits and cost just £30

Very tight in the engine bay.

But not as tight as the cockpit.

Had to be "creative" regarding the screen.

All-in-all it's come out quite well, both myself and John the owner are pleased.

The only thing stopping me now is get it running some where near right.

Anyone got any tips on tuning a Triumph 1500 engine as I just can't get it right

The sad news is I can't take a mould as a firm in France has the copy-right and moulds to the Moss Monaco.
So it you want one you'll have to go through the Moss owner club to get one.

oxford1360 · #34 24th February 2016, 19:29

Nice job, Mike, that will be a fun drive for the summer.

Post a video when you have it running.

swifty · #35 24th February 2016, 19:51

Nice job it has plenty of patina.

It will be a very cozy ride with a passenger but you could have some laughs, buy an XXX large jacket for both the driver and passenger to wear zipped up and you will get some crazy laughs from onlookers.

Mister Towed · #36 25th February 2016, 06:18

The running issue could be down to the velocity stacks being fitted over the air filters instead of directly onto the carbs. They might also be a bit long to allow idling and low-speed torque on a road car.

It might be nothing to do with the stacks, but from tuning (proper) minis years ago I found that the 'A' series was very sensitive to intake tract length and the old Triumph four pots aren't that different in design.

Well done for finishing the car, I always liked the Monaco design but looking at the width of the cockpit now I doubt I'd get one buttock into the driver's seat...

MightyNimrod · #37 25th February 2016, 11:29

It looks fantastic, even better than I'd hoped.

GazDavies · #38 25th February 2016, 13:06

It looks great. I like the number plate too (Private Pilot?)

MightyNimrod · #39 25th February 2016, 13:16

Hmm, PPL, need to save up a bit for that one!

micky1mo · #40 25th February 2016, 17:20

This car is still fighting me, not only is it running rough, but the radiator now needs replacing which is going to be fun in that engine bay.

The carbs are running standard air filters , the velocity stacks are dummies just bolted onto the back of the filters. I just thought they looked the part.

The more time I spend on the car the more frustrating it's becoming, so close yet so far.

I did manage to drive it around the yard yesterday so at lease I now know it starts, drives and stops which is something.