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Old 5th January 2019, 01:46
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Found a few, but not the Ed Roth cars yet...
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Old 5th January 2019, 01:49
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15,00+ pics to sift through...
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Old 5th January 2019, 04:53
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Hi Munky,
Thanks for the encouragement, was only right to build it the 'proper' way!

Have actually chatted with Mark, kool guy, restored many of Ed's cars over the years.
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Old 5th January 2019, 04:59
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Looking good there

Love the finished seat

Big daddy Roth would be proud
Cheers Red, Chris at Custom Coach Trimming did a fantastic job, turning my rough fiberglass shell into a great looking seat.
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Old 5th January 2019, 07:58
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Interesting project, nice to see something different evolving and I love the upholstery on that bench seat.

Mattel also used some of Roth's designs (or inspired by) for their late 60's 'Hot Wheels' cars -



For my 7th birthday my sister gave me a loop-the-loop set which came with two cars: a conventional, 'custom' sedan and a 'Beatnick Bandit' in purple 'flake.

The Bandit had far more of an impact on me as I can still remember it five decades later while I don't remember which one exactly the other car was, even after going through the pictures. The set's long been in landfill now, but here's an image of one from google, which bears more than a passing resemblance to Agent Thor -



Keep up the good work!
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Old 5th January 2019, 08:09
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Colin - This really is shaping up into a fantastic build.

I read your explanation of how you made your Perspex cover on Rods n Sods.

I assume the second piece of wood has a 'hollow' shape?

Good luck, Paul.
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Old 5th January 2019, 20:33
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No Paul, just a flat piece of timber.
Drilled horizontal/vertical holes to get the longnosed blow gun into the form.

Was playing with around 6mins in the oven, but really quickly goes to surface bubbling.





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Old 5th January 2019, 20:47
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Seats fit really well, happy chappy!





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Old 5th January 2019, 20:55
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Cheers MR T,
Fritz in the US is currently building a clone of the Bandit.
http://spritzbyfritz.blogspot.com/20...e-project.html

Ed Roth built the Bandit in 1961 and Road Agent in 1964.
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Old 6th January 2019, 14:15
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The interior looks amazing and as for that gearstick!

Noobie question for you, with the GRP body build on the plaster, I’m assuming you broke the plaster out afterwards?

Did you then lift the body off the pan and create flange returns to bolt the chassis and body together, or did you somehow manage to glass the two together when the plaster was on and it’s now glassed in place?

Thanks!
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Old 6th January 2019, 17:24
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Hi Munky, you've got it spot on��
Did the plaster/vermiculite thing, laid up three layers of glass.
Turned the thing over and knocked it all out.

Created a flange out of 12mm marine ply, glassed in top & bottom.
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Old 6th January 2019, 17:44
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That’s great - thanks for taking the time to explain the secret sauce!
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Old 7th January 2019, 12:00
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Awesome car, and loving the work

Just a quick question... I'm assuming by the number plate on the donor beetle that this is a build for the UK roads? If so, how are you planning to get around the UK regs for the headlights? It's my understanding that headlights must conform to specific regulations (for things like fade, pattern distortion and crash regs), so must be CE certified and cant be covered up with anything.

Unfortunately I cant recall where I read that, but I was hoping to do something similar with my own build, using landrover lights as the base and covering with clear perspex/plexi, but was under the impression that it's not permitted.
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Old 7th January 2019, 12:45
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Unfortunately, you are 100% correct!!
Headlights cannot be 'covered' although, there are plenty of 'new car' stuff that could be adapted.

The Lucas 576 Flamethrower lights will just be for show, I love the look of them, with the chrome bullets & clear lenses.
Where they are located would technically also be too low & too close together to be legal.

I will be using a set of bolt on Head/side light & indicators, that can be removed for show purposes.

Same with the front mudguards, my understanding is that as long as you have them with you and they could be fitted if need be, that's legal.

Colin
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Old 7th January 2019, 13:43
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… It's my understanding that headlights … cant be covered up with anything…
Kon – My understanding is that this car will be a ‘simple’ rebody, so no IVA is required.

In which case, the MOT rules apply and they don’t seem to mention anything about Perspex covers.

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov....ml#section_4.1

There are a number of builds on here that have passed an MOT with Perspex covers.





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And I have a metal stone guard over my lights and that is OK too.



Actually, I’ve just had a very brief look at the IVA rules and couldn’t see anything there either.
( But please check if required and don’t just take my word for it. )

https://assets.publishing.service.go...r-vehicles.pdf

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Colin – I’d suggest a quick PM to Kev/Kapri on Rods ‘n’ Sods to ask about the height of the lights too.

As I couldn’t see anything about the height in the MOT, so this may be an IVA requirement only.

He can also confirm my understanding is that mudguards only need to be fitted if it raining, or the ground in wet (i.e. spray), but need to be carried in case the weather changes during your journey.

Good luck, Paul.

PS
Thanks for the further explanations on how you made the covers, very clever stuff.
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Old 7th January 2019, 13:55
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You might consider taking it for test without lights and having what is affectionately known as a "daytime" MOT. You have an advisory that says "No lights fitted at time of test". It means that you cannot drive it at night, but you may not be planning to.

Discussion on PistonHeads -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...f=10&t=1696934

Yup, I know it sounds crazy, but there are plenty of dirt bikes that run legally with only a brake light.

My Ferguson is legal with no lights at all...but only during the hours of daylight.

See page 8 - http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/cr...Jan%202009.pdf

They talk about bikes, but it applies to all vehicles.

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Old 7th January 2019, 14:07
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Paul - agreed, this will be a rebody, plus its a 1974 Beetle so tax exempt.
I'm sure I have seen something detailing light spacing in the Construction & Use Regs.

I will get hold of Kev to check.

The mud guards MUST be in/with the car and able to be securely fitted, in the event of: mud, rain or falling snow!

Oxford - I'm aware of the 'daylight' thing, but now it gets complicated, given that's it MOT Exempt, can I simply 'claim' the 'daytime only' status??!!??
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Thanks for the link, Paul. Yes, I was referring to a re-body/MOT, rather than IVA.
Reading through that MOT test doc, it looks like a clear cover is fine, as long as it doesnt significantly change the colour of the light, or the pattern/alignment. This makes me very happy, as I wasnt looking forward to the extra expense/time to get OEM lights which are in-keeping with my idea
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Old 7th January 2019, 17:56
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A 1974 car is MOT exempt, unless it has been modified in which case the modifications need to be 30 years old to qualify for MOT exempt status.

Love the headrests.
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Headlight and other lighting requirements aren't covered in either the MOT (other than beam pattern & alignment and that they all work) or the Construction and Use Regulations, but are regulated by the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...chedule/4/made

If you look through the various schedules you'll see that there are very relaxed rules for anything originally built before around 1972 - 75, which would only be 'overruled' if an IVA test was required, in which case all bets are off.

As an example of what's possible, for the first three years I ran my Spyder ('68 Vitesse donor) with just a single, central brake light, which passed its MOT every time as it was within the regulations.

I only changed to a pair because people kept hooting me in traffic and shouting that two of my brake lights had failed.
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