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Old 1st December 2003, 16:55
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I am new to this forum, I have just sold my cherished robin Hood that I built 2 years ago and am about to start on a pilgrim sumo

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Old 1st December 2003, 17:00
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Welcome Jeff.

I'm sure Kitcarman will be happy your building a Sumo.
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Old 1st December 2003, 17:09
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Welcome to the forum Jeff

Good luck with the Sumo build - I guess thats why you need a Rover V8 Bellhousing!

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Old 3rd December 2003, 02:03
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Jeff,
Yerrrr!!
Good luck with the Sumo.
Getting one myself soon, like you Iím going to fit a Rover (if I can find one).
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Old 3rd December 2003, 13:52
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Just out of idle curiosity, why the Rover V8 rather than an American block?

I can't imagine the weight saving of an alloy block being all that important as the chassis and running gear wont exactly be light weight, will it?

Not that I'm complaining at you keeping it British, of course (we'll ignore the fact the Rover V8's based on a Buick design )!
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Old 3rd December 2003, 14:07
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Lex,
Itís all about balance. Iím not just referring to weight either.

Roverís are economical, powerful enough, light and perfectly match the capabilities of the Ford mechanical parts of the Sumo.

I simply reckon that when one attempts to Ďbalanceí any of these arguments (or specifications), the Rover wins every time.

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Old 3rd December 2003, 18:31
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Jeff,
Yerrrr!!
Good luck with the Sumo.
Getting one myself soon, like you Iím going to fit a Rover (if I can find one).
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Den

Would have thought you had built enough Sumos to last you a lifetime. Isn't it time for a change or is it just too hard to let go of those apron strings

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Old 3rd December 2003, 22:57
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John,
Yes, but Iíve not built one from scratch and Iíve never had one I could call my own .

Note the emoticons!

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Have either of you got your engine yet?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...category=10414

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Donít know about Jeff, but Iím not actually looking for a motor just yet .

Thanks for the steer though .

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Old 9th December 2003, 22:22
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I seem to remember seeing some bloke on telly tell Mark Evans that the Sumo would take a pinto or Ford V6. The next step was a Rover V8, then the daddy was the Chey 5.7l V8


Amazing what you remember isn't it?



I see there is a Filby icon just for Kitcarman

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Old 10th December 2003, 01:35
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Truth is the first victim of propaganda .

Four points to justify that recommendation and a disclaimer .

Firstly, the TV company basically laid out their commercial objectives and Ďthe scriptí was edited to fit what theyíd decided they were doing anyway.

Secondly, the use of new Chevyís was fairly new to Pilgrim at the time and I believed it was the dogs gonads at the time the program was made, so I was being truthful .

Thirdly, in a commercial building environment the use of new engines made a lot of commercial sense. No labour expended in obtaining, removing, reconditioning, cleaning, etc, meant that complete new Chevy engines were cheaper than rebuilt Roverís.

Fourthly, I was able to sell Chevyís but could not supply Roverís. Since the programme was going to an audience of newbies, the consensus was to promote that which was easy to supply.

Disclaimer , in the re-shooting and subsequent editing, the program makers got what they wanted and not necessarily what I was saying first time around. Subtle point, but if youíre ever been interviewed before a TV camera, youíll realise how easily you can be manoeuvred into saying what THEY want said. One method they employ is to give you free speech for what they call take one. Thatís the take with no film in the camera . For the second take, they say ďweíve got the first bitĒ (that which I wanted to say) ďnow give us this bitĒ (from a different camera angle). When I saw the edited programme a month later I couldnít believe how Iíd been duped . Having said this, it was OK by me for the audience it was aimed at.

Someone willing and able to re-build their own engine, who isnít counting man-hours would do well to stick with Rover IMHO. So watch what I do .

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Old 10th December 2003, 09:12
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I see there is a Filby icon just for Kitcarman

LOL Well spotted.

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Old 10th December 2003, 17:01
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Den,
knowing a few people in television production, I totally understand.

I can understand that for an out of the box solution a crated engine is a good solution, and having done the research on what a good Rover engine will cost, seemed a steal.

The nice thing about the ubiquotous RV8 is that is ubiquitous, so that the second hand route with shiny bits is a more economical route to go.

My Rush is having a 4.6 RV8 which fell off the front of a Range Rover. 55000 miles on it but it is going to be breathed on with new cam, manifold and a hooooge carb. All at reasonable money.

Getting giddy just thinking about it.
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Den & Jeff

Any news on your builds yet?

Either of you taken delivery of the kits?
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