Countach registration

prince albert · #1 29th March 2018, 19:19

Hi , first post ....
I have bought a BROADBEST countach replica chassis and body , collected a bmw v12 engine last night and I have a Renault 21 gearbox , there are no numbers on chassis or body , I have no paperwork with engine and the running gear on chassis is Granada.
my question is ....
is there any way this WONT be a Q plate !!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul L · #2 30th March 2018, 05:19

Welcome to the forum.

Have you seen the DVLA rules for a kit converted car?

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...erted-vehicles

Did your kit come with any kind of V5C, or was it basically just a collection of parts?

I’m no expert, but I think you would need to prove the providence of at least two of your major components used to have even half a chance of claiming an original registration number or an age related plate.

You would also have to prove the chassis was built by Broadbest and is not just a random collection of box section welded together. So is there an original Broadbest VIN number type plate sitting in a box of spare parts somewhere, or even an invoice from Broadbest?

Part of the BIVA emission test will relate to the age of the engine. So if you don’t have any paperwork for the engine, do you at least have an original engine number to work with?

Apologies for the list of questions, but it you are desperate to avoid a Q plate, then I’m afraid you will need to do some ‘homework’. My (admittedly limited) understanding of these type of kits is that they consume both time and money at an alarming rate if you want to get the car on the road to a decent standard.

So now might be a good time to establish just what is required to go from this:

To this:

There are two big Countach threads on this forum here:
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=3957
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=3642

But everything you might ever want to know is probably here:
http://www.lamboreplica.co.uk/cgi-bi...i?;act=SF;f=14

Good luck, Paul.

prince albert · #3 30th March 2018, 08:02

hi
no paperwork or vc5 with chassis and broadbest long gone !! this will be a problem !!

got engine numbers so history shouldn't be a problem there.

I have custom made drive shafts and other bits but no paperwork.

I'm not intimidated with the scale of build , work load or cost as I have built many projects from the ground up but I have waited 25 years to build this and I refuse to have a Q plate !!! lol

I don't mind throwing money and research at this to solve the problem so long as it is solverbull !

don't want to do any more work on chassis incase I need to change it !

prince albert · #4 30th March 2018, 14:06

Started work on it today , cleaned up the rear swing arms and got them in primer , looking for wheels in south east uk and adaption plate for bmw v12 to Renault 21 box ?
any help greatly appreciated

Paul L · #5 30th March 2018, 15:02

Are you on Facebook?

As there is a guy called Kev whose user name is kapri over on the Rods 'n' Sods forum.

Without doubt he is the expert on all things DVLA related.

Due to some health issues he now only offers specific advice in return for a donation to charity.

He also runs a Facebook group for BIVA builders.

I'm not on Facebook myself, but would highly recommend Kev if you want to avoid a Q plate.

Good luck, Paul.

prince albert · #6 30th March 2018, 16:32

Great thanks paul will look him up , I have had a chat with a guy that has put my mind at rest for now.

I need a set of rims but they seam to be "thin on the ground"

and the gearbox adaption plate doesn't seam to exist !

redratbike · #7 30th March 2018, 19:21

I’d find someone else who owns a registered broadcast ask to see their paperwork and er conjure some up to assist in getting a non q plate

prince albert · #8 30th March 2018, 19:32

good thinking but where do I start , iv never seen one completed lol like rocking horse poo !
I would pay for a picture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peterux · #9 30th March 2018, 19:46

Your best bet to get an age related plate is to buy another Granada donor car.
Any condition will do so long as you can take pictures of it and it has a V5C in your name.
You then just need to use two major components from your 'new' donor car to qualify for an age related registration plate.

You'll find all the details here....

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...erted-vehicles

Of course that is after you passed your IVA test!!

Just found this on the web....

http://www.classic-kitcars.com/image...7888-lambo.jpg

prince albert · #10 30th March 2018, 20:27

thanks , but what are " two major components " as I have the frame , body and engine already ?

Paul L · #11 31st March 2018, 07:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by prince albert

thanks , but what are " two major components " as I have the frame , body and engine already ?

Sorry, I'm having a few IT problems and can't get links or copy/paste to work at the moment.

But if you go back to the DVLA link above and look at "rebuilt vehicles" you will see the list of major components.

The key point is that to get an original / age related plate the frame and body don't count.

The frame allows you to register the car as a kit and the body doesn't have a DVLA identify if there is a seperate chassis.
( The body shell only counts if it is a monocoque. )

This is where Kev/Kapri can help, as I'm not sure if you can count your engine and transmission if they come from different cars and there is no V5C for either.

Hope that helps, Paul.

redratbike · #12 1st April 2018, 18:16

theres a postcard icon in the menu click on that and enter the url take out the http//: bit first

prince albert · #13 26th April 2018, 19:35

thanks anna but its just a page of apps ?

AcC8braman · #14 1st May 2018, 15:21

Good luck on the build.

DC Supercars - Cliver and Dave will help with info.

Regarding wheels - all depends on if you want build a replica countach, or one that looks like one.

If replica, these are the guys for the wheels - Roin Technology -http://www.rointechnology.com/indexx.php?link=pagina_cerchio.php&nome=Lamborghin i%20Countach%20post&foto=post%20Countach%20.JPG&ma rca=lamborghini

Not cheap

If you are looking at building something that looks like a countach, then image wheels will do

prince albert · #15 1st May 2018, 17:36

great ta , any idea if theirs a "standard " set of radiators I can use for v12 of will I have to get them made ?

prince albert · #16 13th May 2018, 12:06

flywheel arrived from the states , had to modify it a bit to accept clutch , made adaption plate to join bmw v12 to un1 gearbox and test fitted engine in chassis ..... now question...

do the drive shafts need to be straight ? sounds a silly question as they move constantly but the engine is very tight against the bulk head and the output shafts are about 3" back from the hubs

prince albert · #17 13th May 2018, 12:19

also seen some ppl put the fuel tank in the front rather then the rear , I have room above the gearbox , any reasons why these would be a bad idea ?

ian roberts · #18 14th May 2018, 10:58

I have looked at the driveshafts of quite a few usually there is a slight offset. I guess ideally straight is best but I wouldnt think there is too much to worry about. Ref the tank, usually there are 2, one each side of the rear wheels with a pipe joining them. Access to the gearbox would be compromised if you put it on top, thats the only thing I can think of and also the fact that it would raise the center of gravity on the car. I have never seen one in the front personally but apart from a long fuel run probably would be OK too.
Cheers Ian