Are you madabout kit cars      
 "We've Got Kit Cars Covered" Information about Madabout-Kitcars.com Contact Madabout-Kitcars.com         Home of UK kit cars - madabout-kitcars.com Various kit car write ups All the latest kit car news Kit car related and general discussion

Search
Manufacturers
Kit Cars
Kit Car Data sheets
Picture Gallery
SVA Knowledgebase
Clubs & Communities
Build cost estimator
Kit cars for sale
Knowledge Base 
KitcarUSA.com
Classic-Kitcars.com
 

Go Back   Madabout Kitcars Forum > Mad Build Area > Sammio Builds and discussions

Sammio Builds and discussions Sammio bodied car builds and specials

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 20th April 2014, 09:55
swifty's Avatar
swifty swifty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 835
swifty is on a distinguished road
Default Spitfire Chassis mods

I seem to remember reading somewhere that some of the original spitfire chassis is redundant on the front end, can somebody let me know what is removed, i have added an image and circled in red the parts i think may be not required, any help appreciated.

IMG_42442.jpg
Reply With Quote
Available from eBay
  #2  
Old 20th April 2014, 09:59
Mister Towed's Avatar
Mister Towed Mister Towed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,123
Mister Towed is on a distinguished road
Default

Once you've bonded on the body and got it through the rebody inspection (whatever form that take now???), just lay the bonnet over the engine and cut off what gets in the way. It really is as simple as that.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 20th April 2014, 10:02
swifty's Avatar
swifty swifty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 835
swifty is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks Mister Towed, so what i pick up here is to leave alone until the inspection has been approved other wise there may be problems.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20th April 2014, 10:11
Mister Towed's Avatar
Mister Towed Mister Towed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,123
Mister Towed is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty View Post
Thanks Mister Towed, so what i pick up here is to leave alone until the inspection has been approved other wise there may be problems.
The rule of thumb is that to qualify for a rebody instead of the onerous iva the body needs to be fitted to the original, unaltered chassis. You can add or move brackets but you can't shorten it, so to be on the safe side it's best to leave the front bumper brackets alone (or the boot outriggers on a Herald/Vitesse chassis). Once the rebody inspection is completed, you can do what you like with it so that's the time to get busy with the angle grinder. Good luck fitting your bonnet, just use your imagination and I'm sure you'll come up with a suitable bracket arrangement, even if it takes a few goes...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21st April 2014, 17:27
Paul L's Avatar
Paul L Paul L is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wembley, London
Posts: 4,920
Paul L is on a distinguished road
Default

Swifty - I have been trying in vain to get any official confirmation that the original bumper bracket can be defined as a bracket and not part of the chassis.

Until I can get something in writing I am leaving the front bracket as it is, which is a pain.

The other thing worth mentioning is that the bonnet is not part of the re-body inspection, so it doesn't matter if it isn't fitted at the time.

If I ever find someone who will take responsibility for providing an answer (rather than pointing me to someone else) I will keep you posted.

Cheers, Paul.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 21st April 2014, 19:41
swifty's Avatar
swifty swifty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 835
swifty is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
Swifty - I have been trying in vain to get any official confirmation that the original bumper bracket can be defined as a bracket and not part of the chassis.

Until I can get something in writing I am leaving the front bracket as it is, which is a pain.

The other thing worth mentioning is that the bonnet is not part of the re-body inspection, so it doesn't matter if it isn't fitted at the time.

If I ever find someone who will take responsibility for providing an answer (rather than pointing me to someone else) I will keep you posted.

Cheers, Paul.
Thanks Paul, it sounds like the slow wheels of central government playing at odds here.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 23rd April 2014, 15:30
AndyP57's Avatar
AndyP57 AndyP57 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 656
AndyP57 is on a distinguished road
Default

Here's something to ponder. All Three photos below are of unmodified Spitfire chassis (Or at least they are as they were when the donor was stripped). Who in DVLA would know which mark Spitfire they are from and whether it was a factory modification or not as I'm darned sure I wouldn't know!





Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 23rd April 2014, 15:47
swifty's Avatar
swifty swifty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 835
swifty is on a distinguished road
Default

Andy with a navigator kit what on th front end is not required in my photo?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 23rd April 2014, 16:11
AndyP57's Avatar
AndyP57 AndyP57 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 656
AndyP57 is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi. None of the ringed areas are needed for the Navigator bonnet hinge. We usually weld a small bracket just inboard of the outer longitudinal member and marry it with a bonded bracket on the bonnet.

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 23rd April 2014, 18:12
Paul L's Avatar
Paul L Paul L is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wembley, London
Posts: 4,920
Paul L is on a distinguished road
Default

Andy - Thanks for those chassis photos.

My chassis is currently a match for the first photo.

But I would really like it to look like the third photo.

I might have another go at trying to get an official definition of a bracket.

Alternatively, I might just go and bang my head against a brick wall.

Cheers, Paul.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 23rd April 2014, 23:49
Mister Towed's Avatar
Mister Towed Mister Towed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,123
Mister Towed is on a distinguished road
Default

Best to just get the rebody inspection done before cutting anything off the chassis. Then you can make free with the angle grinder to your hearts content.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 24th April 2014, 07:06
Paul L's Avatar
Paul L Paul L is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wembley, London
Posts: 4,920
Paul L is on a distinguished road
Default

Mr T - That was always my plan.

But messing about with tie down straps & these brackets being in the way every time I remove & refit the bonnet is slowly getting to me.

( The bonnet gives the engine extra protection from the elements while under a cover on my drive. )

I'll certainly wait until Scottie's gets a re-body inspection on his A352/XKSS, as his Spitfire chassis looks like the blue one above.

Cheers, Paul.

PS
Obviously this wouldn't be an issue at all if there wasn't so much work to do before my re-body inspection can take place.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 24th April 2014, 16:45
Viatron Viatron is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,161
Viatron is on a distinguished road
Default

I was lucky as my donor was a MKIII and just had 2 fairly restrained brackets on the front chassis bumper you can just see them here at the top:



What I did was to remove them prior to having the chassis galvanised, in fact the only rot on the whole chassis was behind them as can be seen here:



I have saved the brackets and painted them up and for safety's sake will just stick them back on with sikaflex or the like prior to the inspection, 2 minutes back in the workshop will see them removed and the paintwork touched up, they aren't checking for the build quality just the integrity of the chassis so cant see them actually tugging on anything.
HTH
Mac
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 28th April 2014, 19:29
Paul L's Avatar
Paul L Paul L is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wembley, London
Posts: 4,920
Paul L is on a distinguished road
Default

I came across this chassis drawing on Rimmer Bros. while looking for something else.



I might send a copy of this to the "powers that be" (if anyone will ever admit it is their job ).

As it does suggest that the chassis ends at the front cross member and everything thing in front of that is a "bracket", not part of the chassis.

Note:
I'm still not going to cut anything off unless I get confirmation of this in writing.

Cheers, Paul.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +0. The time now is 22:12.

copyright madabout-kitcars.com 2000-2020
terms and conditions | privacy policy