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Old 26th June 2020, 09:52
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YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!

Coming on here and posting my rubbish ideas for a car body (and showing my even worse execution of making the body) along with my questions that in a normal world would be laughed at and made fun of, you lot have been nothing but kind, encouraging, supportive and patient.

What a welcome way for a forum to be, most others I've been on are full of people who want to put you down because you don't have their skills or knowledge.

Anyway, got my Friday feeling on today and wanted to spread the love to you fantastic people!
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Old 26th June 2020, 11:01
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Yep, it's a (mostly) friendly forum, all right, and most people on here are grown up enough to keep their posts positive even if they don't like the work that's being shown.

We do have the odd troll pop up occasionally, often finding fault with the quality of finish of amateur built kit cars and specials, but that's mercifully rare and their posts usually end up getting deleted by the moderators.

For most of us on here it's just a place to show like minded people what we're up to, to share (i.e. steal) ideas and, once in a while, to be told STOP! That's dangerous/illegal/going to break.

A good example of the latter was when I posted a picture of an alternator support bracket I'd fabricated that was to be fixed to the chassis at one end. Straight away someone pointed out that it wouldn't be able to move with the engine so would break or damage the alternator on start up, which was bleeding obvious once it was pointed out to me.

Anyway, good luck with your own project and keep on posting updates and pictures. We're all eager to see your progress and steal any good ideas you come up with
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Old 26th June 2020, 11:07
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I agree - the most friendly and constructive forum that I have come across.

I like the way we self-police the trolls. They don't hang around for long.
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Old 26th June 2020, 19:02
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Just a thought,

If you put your build on a public forum I think you kinda have to accept that it may attract some feedback, that may be good or in some cases it may be negative.

My own builds have not always been well received but hey ho everybody's entitled to an opinion.

Good luck with the build chap.
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Old 27th June 2020, 00:39
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Absolutely Jeff, however, I have found nothing but friendly assistance on this forum. Constructive criticism should be welcomed. And I do give you a shout our for all you have
assisted me with. Thanks!

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Old 27th June 2020, 08:00
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Just be aware that you might have to develop a bit of a thick skin if you're building something different to the norm as not everyone will hold back on the insults.

Back in 2015 I found an article in a French language magazine where the journalist reviewing a Citroen 2CV based Sammio Spyder (known as 'Fireball') had this to say about it -

'...a monstrous stinking turd non-imagination, intended to cut down more of those who want to look ... but who have only stupid.'

Obviously Google translate has jumbled up the words a bit, but the sentiment is still pretty clear.

Anyway, time to carry on building my water-cooled, front engined Outlaw Stinking Turd Speedster using all the non-imagination and stupid I can muster.
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Old 27th June 2020, 08:52
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Just be aware that you might have to develop a bit of a thick skin if you're building something different to the norm as not everyone will hold back on the insults.

Back in 2015 I found an article in a French language magazine where the journalist reviewing a Citroen 2CV based Sammio Spyder (known as 'Fireball') had this to say about it -

'...a monstrous stinking turd non-imagination, intended to cut down more of those who want to look ... but who have only stupid.'

Obviously Google translate has jumbled up the words a bit, but the sentiment is still pretty clear.

Anyway, time to carry on building my water-cooled, front engined Outlaw Stinking Turd Speedster using all the non-imagination and stupid I can muster.
That's a bit harsh ! I know there have been poorly built examples of just about every kit / special, but blimey, that is a bit strong !
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Old 27th June 2020, 09:49
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Yes, and it was a well built example, it's just that the journalist hated it.

If you remember back to the days when Top Gear was good they did a Lancia special show.

Clarkson folded himself into a Works Stratos with Hammond in the passenger seat and they both agreed it was fantastic.

But Clarkson also drove a kit-car version of the Stratos (running a 3.0l Alfa V6 more powerful than the Dino engine in the original) and hated it:

The cockpit was too small (dimensionally identical to the original he drove).

The handling was too twitchy (it's a short-wheelbase rally car and he lost it while pushing too hard on a track).

It was built by a man in a shed.

With hammers.

And the brakes seized on when he thrashed it round a track.

So, when driving a replica worth around 1/20th of the value of the original that hadn't been maintained by a team of specialist engineers, Clarkson concluded that the entire kit-car industry was a dangerous pile of shite that should be avoided.

I also recall that when he built a Caterham as part of a Top Gear challenge he managed to knock the chassis off the axle stands it was on, dropping it about four feet onto a concrete floor. If that car ever came up for sale I'd avoid it like the plague. After all, it was built by a Clarkson.

On an abandoned airfield.

With hammers...
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Old 27th June 2020, 13:39
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Ultima Sports Cars ran a car around the Top Gear test track and recorded a best ever timed lap, it never featured in the programme !

You have to remember that everything that is said and done on the show is scripted, none of it is real. You can blame the writers and producers for a lot of the crap that has been aired over the years.

I remember the Hawk Stratos featured on the show, it was set up as a road car and wouldn't have ever been driven like that by its owner.
I can remember an episode where they were doing donuts in a original Jag C or D type and they trashed the rear axle and diff, then they blamed the car !
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Old 27th June 2020, 13:52
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@ Towed,

You seem upset, has somebody been insulting your latest build then ? I seem to recall we had a difference of opinion when I 1st joined the forum about 4 years ago regarding costs and quality of paintwork.

Surely you have more going on in your life than to hold on to a grudge for that amount of time ?

I do know you like to call "Troll" with anybody who has a different opinion to you but you really shouldn't let it get you down, keep growing that thick skin bud and you will be fine.
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Old 27th June 2020, 15:27
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@ Towed,

You seem upset, has somebody been insulting your latest build then ? I seem to recall we had a difference of opinion when I 1st joined the forum about 4 years ago regarding costs and quality of paintwork.

Surely you have more going on in your life than to hold on to a grudge for that amount of time ?

I do know you like to call "Troll" with anybody who has a different opinion to you but you really shouldn't let it get you down, keep growing that thick skin bud and you will be fine.
Lol, that is a good example of the fun and games on here ! We all love each other really ! Can we get a ring side seat when you two meet up ?
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Old 27th June 2020, 15:41
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Lol, that is a good example of the fun and games on here ! We all love each other really ! Can we get a ring side seat when you two meet up ?


Yeah we can sell tickets Paul,

As Gary once said tis only a forum, on another note I see your car sold (it was on the Tribute FB page) looks like they got the estimate spot on.
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Old 27th June 2020, 15:51
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Yeah, I'm happy with the sale and price given the current climate .
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Old 28th June 2020, 08:10
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@ Towed,

You seem upset, has somebody been insulting your latest build then ? I seem to recall we had a difference of opinion when I 1st joined the forum about 4 years ago regarding costs and quality of paintwork.

Surely you have more going on in your life than to hold on to a grudge for that amount of time ?

I do know you like to call "Troll" with anybody who has a different opinion to you but you really shouldn't let it get you down, keep growing that thick skin bud and you will be fine.
Oh, Hi Jeff.

Sorry to go all Carly Simon on you, but my posts above aren't about you.

I can understand why you think they might be: as I recall (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), we fell out because when someone building a Tribute asked for advice about spraying their car, you expressed your opinion that they would have to pay at least 5k for a professional paint job or (and I quote from memory) '...your car will look like shit'.

As an amateur builder who'd been inspired to paint my own car myself after seeing the finish Phil J had managed to achieve on his green Sammio Spyder, I offered my own opinion that, with some research on the internet/youtube, a large enough domestic garage, some low budget equipment, cellulose paint and a bit of practice, an amateur enthusiast could prepare and spray their own car and achieve a decent finish that would be of a similar standard to many of the 1950's racing cars I'd seen in the paddock at Goodwood Revival and other events.

That was the entire reason for the spat, and to be fair, when I posted my first input on the subject I didn't know that you were a professional paint sprayer with your own business.

I think I only found that out after I 'dissed' your entire profession for overcharging customers with deep pockets (see below for an update on that opinion). I suspect that explains why our interactions online descended into the hostile tit-for-tat posts that I for one am not proud of.

I have looked back at my 'on the road' thread to see exactly what else was said at the time, but the moderators have deleted all your posts and my replies to them from it.

So, who am I referring to in my posts above? Well, I've named Jeremy Clarkson - I love his work but was really disappointed when he slated the self-build kit car industry in its entirety just because one car's brakes seized when he drove it, hence my raising him alongside the French journalist who called a Sammio Spyder a monstrous stinking turd non-imagination (I bet that scans better in French) just to point out that not everyone's going to love what you build.

The other one is about an occasional forum member whose name I shan't mention because he's like Beetlejuice - say his name out loud and he'll appear.

He's had several different forum names anyway as he keeps getting banned for trolling anyone and everyone and generally spoiling the positive vibe this forum usually has.

His posts have been exclusively negative and always follow the same pattern - saying other people's cars are worthless, always seeing overspray everywhere (he actually means paint sprayed directly onto unintended surfaces like tyres and exhausts, most recently a Tribute forum builder's fabulous blue D Type when it was just a reflection of the body colour in the polished exhausts) and claiming to own a huge collection of top-quality kit and specialist cars himself, despite only ever posting pictures of cars drawn from Google images.

Oh, and when I challenged him a while back to take a picture of one car he said he owned with a copy of a recent newspaper, he couldn't remember which of his properties he'd left it at. I think my own reply to that - that I have the same problem, I can never remember which of my mansions I've left my La Ferrari at was probably a bit on the provocative/childish side, but I'm still waiting to see the picture.

So no, none of those posts are about you.

On another matter, I was genuinely surprised to read in one of your posts above that your own builds haven't always been well received.

I haven't been following what you've done recently, but I did follow your build of the dark red 250 SWB with interest and I was very impressed with what you achieved. I especially liked the modification that gave the doors a more authentic shape, while the paint colour choice was fantastic and the finish a credit to you.

Having seen the work that went into that car I can now understand why you charge what you do to spray a car and why people who can afford your services pay it. I'd have liked to have said so on your build thread at the time but I didn't want to appear provocative by posting in your domain after our argument.

So, anyway, to answer some more of your questions, no, nobody's been rude about my current project. Well, not yet, anyway, and if they are I'll just ride it out. And no, I'm not bearing any grudge from 2016, life's just too short.

I do still maintain that an enthusiastic amateur builder can spray their own car at home using budget equipment and achieve a perfectly satisfactory result.

But I also acknowledge that it's never going to be as perfect as you can get it with your skills, experience, professional equipment, paint systems and facilities, and if I won the Euromillions jackpot I'd definitely pay a pro to paint some of the multi-million dollar classics I'd have dotted around my mansions, assuming I could remember where I'd left them.

As it is, I'm on track to (eventually) complete my Outlaw Speedster project for less than 5k total, so I'll be spraying it myself rather than spending the same again on an admittedly perfect paint job.

And on that subject, as this is a friendly forum where like-minded enthusiasts show each other what we're doing, share ideas and offer advice to other builders, as a professional paint finisher, do you have any hints and tips that might help us amateurs achieve a better finish when we spray our own cars?

Just a thought
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Old 28th June 2020, 09:25
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Just thought it might be worth adding a picture of what my car looked like after I painted it after a refurb in 2017 -



I used a 100 compressor, 120 gun, 120 Jawel 20 litre cellulose pure metallic silver 'kit' (5 litres each of high-build primer, cellulose paint, standard thinners and high-gloss thinners) and did it in my double garage.

I was happy with the finish as was the buyer when I reluctantly sold it, and it also caused a bit of a discussion, both good and bad on a Lancia owner's forum -

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/...p?topic=9860.0
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Old 28th June 2020, 13:53
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@ Towed,

fair enough, been along week etc etc.
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Old 28th June 2020, 18:14
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We all have our off days
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Old 29th June 2020, 06:58
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a Tribute forum builder's fabulous blue D Type
I'm blushing.

Regards, Mick
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Old 29th June 2020, 08:01
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I'm blushing.

Regards, Mick
You shouldn't be, your car looks fantastic. I'd love to see it in person some day.
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BTW At least one Marlin owner has sprayed his car using rattle cans and got a very creditable finish. I wish I could.
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