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Old 5th April 2014, 19:35
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The first post for my Navigator build and the start of a great journey.

Bought a rather tired looking GT6 engine off flea bay for a reasonable price local to where i live which is handy.

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Engine out of the van and ready for a full strip down.

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She does look like she needs some TLC so here goes

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Rocker cover off then head removed to find six domed topped pistons as this is from a 1973 GT6 the later version, stronger crank etc.

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Now it's the turn of the head which has the larger inlet valves, a little bit of carbon build up and few burnt valve seats which will be fixed later.
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Old 5th April 2014, 19:52
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Engine turned through 180 degrees to strip the bottom end.

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View into the crank case where the sump goes, all pistons con rods, main bearing housings and rocker shaft laid out in order. You can see a slight build up of carbon deposit around the piston skirts where the hot gases have been passing the piston rings, also there is a little rub wear adjacent the gudgeon pin axis which is normal for an engine of this age.

The engine was then sent off to an engine machine shop to be De-greased, the crank shaft journals polished, cylinder bores honed, the cylinder head was also converted to run on unleaded with hardened exhaust valve seats along with new valve guides and a 6th head skim.

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A very clean degrease crank case is ready for re assembly, all the oil and water channels have been cleaned and blasted with compressed air before the re assembly begins to make sure the engine has many more years ahead. New core plugs fitted.

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Crank shaft fitted and torqued down with new main bearings. New crank shaft oil lip seal in place.

Well that's it for now, its time for a cuppa, i will load more photos soon.

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Old 5th April 2014, 20:03
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Exciting time the donor spitfire has arrived looking worse for wear but ready for a complete make over to a 50's sports car, roll on.

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Cant wait to start the strip to get a better look at the chassis.

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Body midway from being removed.

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First major hurdle the body tub is off and time to inspect the chassis for problems.


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The chassis is not too bad just a couple of front outriggers to replace but will get a better idea once the engine is removed.

Well i now have loads of bits to sell hopefully i will get back most of the purchase price for the spitfire.
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Welcome, Swifty. I look forward to following your build. And to think, somebody said that you would never build a car. You've made the right choice.

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Thanks Oxford, i have followed your build and you have an eye for quality and detail which is the type of build i am hoping to achieve.

I do have more photos as i know the guys on here love to see what your up to and I've been busy manufacturing parts on the CNC gear we have so exciting times ahead.

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Welcome, Swifty. I look forward to following your build. And to think, somebody said that you would never build a car. You've made the right choice.
Never build a car? Who said that then...

Welcome to the fold Swifty, looking forward to seeing your build come together.
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Hi Swifty,

This is looking very productive and thoroughly at the same time. Looking forward to see the progress on this project.

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Has anybody attempted to hinge the hump like in this photo, it looks like a cool solution for a rear boot lid.

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This is looking very productive and thoroughly at the same time. Looking forward to see the progress on this project.

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Thanks Michiel i have also followed your build which is to an exceptional high standard, are you an engineer by trade as the metal work on your build is spot on.
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Has anybody attempted to hinge the hump like in this photo, it looks like a cool solution for a rear boot lid.

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That hinged head fairing wouldn't be particularly difficult to pull off and it sure looks cool. There is no right or wrong with these cars, it's your project and you build it how you want it, so if you'd like a hinged hump just go ahead and make one!

Without trying to blow my own trumpet too much, some of the modifications I made along the way show what's possible if you put your mind to it. Near the end of my build I saw a 50's Jag with loads of louvres in its bonnet and I thought 'I'd like some louvres in my bonnet...' So, a 3.49 aluminium airing cupboard vent from ebay and a little ingenuity later -









I also wanted a different dash design to the 'standard' flat panel, so I sourced a moulding taken from a Porsche 550 Spyder and made it fit -

This is the traditional dash layout as expertly put together as it's possible for it to be (Barry's car) -



Very nice indeed, but I wanted the instruments ahead of the driver rather than in the centre of the car, so this was my solution -

Dash moulding from a 550 Spyder.


Not a great fit out of the box.


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To end up with something a bit different -


Just remember what Yoda has to say about Sammio/Ribble building - impossible, is nothing.
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Hi Swifty,
Thanks. No I'm not a engineer by trade. Just an enthoustiast like most of us.

Mars'69 which is building a sammio CV, made a large boot lit which include the two humps he has. So the whole lit is hinged at the back of the seats. But you have to acount for the back of the seats. When the lit opens, the humps could bump into the seat backs, if you haven't sorted this. Also the lit has to strengthened with a frame to make it strong enough.

This Bucci Alfa looks superb BTW. What a beautiful car.

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Thanks. No I'm not a engineer by trade. Just an enthoustiast like most of us.

Mars'69 which is building a sammio CV, made a large boot lit which include the two humps he has. So the whole lit is hinged at the back of the seats. But you have to acount for the back of the seats. When the lit opens, the humps could bump into the seat backs, if you haven't sorted this. Also the lit has to strengthened with a frame to make it strong enough.

This Bucci Alfa looks superb BTW. What a beautiful car.

Michiel
Thanks for the heads up on Mars69.

Mister Towed..... the dash blends in beautifully and looks the part along with the rest of the car, its a credit to you, the use of an air vent is a simple and effective solution.

Well its time to go back out and remove the engine from the chassis, oh happy days.
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Welcome top the fold Swifty. You've started your project in the right place, getting the Engine (Heart) of the car sorted. I hope the chassis is in as good condition when you're done. Ring or pop in for a chat when you can as we're doing a few interesting things to the Navigator kit that may help you along.
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Thanks Andy, will contact you soon more than likely by phone.

Been busy today removing the redundant engine and gearbox, its sooo easy with the open front end which will come in handy for future work once the car is complete.

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Engine out, its an easy task to complete with an engine crane, a couple of bolts to remove and hay presto job done.


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The chassis not too bad especially when you consider it's 41 years old, some area's even have the original paint which when removed has clean steel. The area around the oil leaker parts is as good as the day it was manufactured, its a shame the oil had not traveled all over the chassis.


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The two front outriggers will require attention, i think i will fabricate complete new parts as the replacement's cost 109 and a piece of 2mm plate will be no where near that, one more part on the ever growing list of replacements.


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Thought i would include a picture of my electrolysis tank which is excellent at cleaning all the crud and rust off the metal parts before painting. It's very easy to put together and if you fancy one too then Google electrolysis metal cleaning for lots of info, some good guides on YouTube. Just be careful with ventilation as the gases given off i believe to be hydrogen and chlorine.

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Sure I've seen one of those vats somewhere before...

Oh yes, that's right, Crystal Meth making chemistry teacher Walter White had something similar for dealing with business rivals.





Best of luck with the chassis restoration, it was my most onerous task.
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Nice one Mister Towed , i can do with one of those masks when spray painting.

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Swifty - Good to see another Spitfire based build on the go.

Given the improvements to the Navigator body shell and internal framework, you should have an easy build.

OK, there is no such think as an "easy" build, but at least it will not be my Cordite based nightmare.

Although the sight of dismantled Spitfire, open driveway & tarpaulin are sending shivers down my spine.

I really hope that is a garage I can see in one of the photos and that is where the building will take place.

Good luck, Paul.
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Welcome aboard the good ship Ribble Swifty

I look forward to seeing how your build progresses

Good to see another Navigator build

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Swifty - Good to see another Spitfire based build on the go.

Given the improvements to the Navigator body shell and internal framework, you should have an easy build.

OK, there is no such think as an "easy" build, but at least it will not be my Cordite based nightmare.

Although the sight of dismantled Spitfire, open driveway & tarpaulin are sending shivers down my spine.

I really hope that is a garage I can see in one of the photos and that is where the building will take place.

Good luck, Paul.
Hi Paul yes the build will be indoors, i'm trying to keep the majority of the muck outside, once the chassis is clean i will move indoors, thinking of having the chassis galvanized but will do the repairs and mods first.

Type 9 gearbox should be here in the next couple of days then i can sort out the adapter plate, make a cad drawing etc.

I have heard some stories about a few problems the cordite kit had one in particular with the body not being symmetrical but all has been rectified by the Ribble team, great job lads, i have seen first hand the navigator which looks great.

Looking forward to start the clean build instead of stripping old parts down but all in all it's being pleasurable so far.

Thanks AndyP85, will speak soon.

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