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Old 4th March 2019, 07:10
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My Formosa is a rebodied Triumph Vitesse which is over 40 years old and is registered as a VHI , tax and MOT exempt so you should not have any issues
Alex - Hi Graham,

Can I just check that the "Make" on your V5C was updated to show Formosa (or your own name choice)?

Also, does your V5C include the "Rebuilt" text in Section 3 - Special Notes?

As this would definitely support my interpretation of the VHI rules.

Cheers, Paul.
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Old 4th March 2019, 07:45
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I am still a spitfire on V5
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Old 4th March 2019, 08:49
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NeilF355 – My donor car is not old enough to quality for VHI yet.

However, I appear to have a different interpretation of the rules to you.

I start here:

https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles

You do not need to get an MOT if:
- The vehicle was built or first registered more than 40 years ago
- No ‘substantial changes’ have been made to the vehicle in the last 30 years, for example replacing the chassis, body, axles or engine to change the way the vehicle works

So for a Sammio the change of bodyshell does NOT change the way the vehicle works.

Then I go here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ption-criteria

Where body shell is not listed in the Section 3. ‘Substantial change’ criteria

I note the section you quoted above, but again, that doesn’t apply to Sammio.

As whilst we call them kit cars, the DVLA allows them to keep the donor car registration number not based on the kit car rules, but the rules for “Radically altered vehicles”.

My car has the full 14 DLVA points, so in NOT radically altered and can keep its original registration number.

In terms of “general appearance” my car continues to be a two seater sports car.

I think this refers to kits that would turn a VW Beetle into a Beach Buggy.

Similarly, I consider my build to be a rebody, rather than a body conversion.

Where rebodying is a 100 year old tradition based on Rolls Royce type coach building.

I know the above sounds like splitting hairs on small words and their meanings.

But following the consultation process, I believe room for interpretation was left there on purpose.

Unfortunately, I can’t personally test my interpretation until 2021.

So I will be interested to see how Wharfdale gets on.
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My Formosa is a rebodied Triumph Vitesse which is over 40 years old and is registered as a VHI , tax and MOT exempt so you should not have any issues

Alex
Was your car registered as VHI before the Formosa rebody?
If not did you register the rebody to Triumph Formosa before the VHI change?

Paul
It looks like Alex has confirmed your interpretation of the rules and set a precedent that others can follow which is really good news
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Alex - Hi Graham,

Can I just check that the "Make" on your V5C was updated to show Formosa (or your own name choice)?

Also, does your V5C include the "Rebuilt" text in Section 3 - Special Notes?

As this would definitely support my interpretation of the VHI rules.

Cheers, Paul.
Hi Paul, registered as Triumph Formosa

Section 3 Rebuilt-assembled from parts some or all of which were not new

Taxation class - Historic Vehicle
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I'll probably always carry on MOT'ing my creations just to get a cheap, independent safety inspection once a year, but... The VHI status might just be a very valuable asset in around a decade's time when the Government starts to tax petrol and diesel cars off the road in favour of electric as VHI's are likely to be left alone. Just a thought.
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Alex - Thanks for the clarification.

Mr T - That is my pet theory about VHI status too.

Parliament has its own classic car club, so the 'great and the good' will make sure the rules allow them to still drive their own cars.

Similarly, London's new ULEZ currently gives exemptions to Historic cars, but I expect that to change to VHI at some point in the future.

Cheers, Paul.
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My Daytona was built on a 1978 XJ12. The body shell was cut about a lot during the conversion. I took the rules to mean that on this particular conversion the modifications would have to have been done over 30 years ago for it to be MOT exempt. The problem was proving when the conversion was done. As luck would have it, there was an American magazine article on the car for sale on eBay.com, it clearly showed the car, registration number and it was dated over 30 years ago. With this proof I filled out the relevant form and the car was registered as MOT exempt. No follow up requesting proof of age of conversion.
It may be different if the car had had an IVA to change the V5 as current regulations need. The IVA would alert the DVLA that the vehicle had been modified and not qualify.
So if the car has had an IVA I don't think you will get an exemption, if the V5 was modified before the IVA rules changed then I think you will be alright, this is of course only a guess, god knows what goes on in the collective minds at the DVLA.
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I filled in the exemtion form and the instructions were to take it to the post office when I tax my car!. No online facility and no post option!.
are they replicating when the car was made to keep the origanality?
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I filled in the exemtion form and the instructions were to take it to the post office when I tax my car!. No online facility and no post option!.
are they replicating when the car was made to keep the origanality?
If you tax it online, there’s a check box to declare it’s VHI - no need for a V112 or a trip to the post office.
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If this is the first time applying for the historic vehicle class, you cannot claim exemption online. This must be done at your local Post Office.
This fron the guide from auto clasics!
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...are they replicating when the car was made to keep the origanality?...
The short answer is yes, but no.

Unfortunately, the long answer involves reading and interpreting their guidance notes as some changes are allowed for safety/economy reasons.

So switching from drum brakes to discs would be considered OK, but not switching your Morris Minor engine for a V8.

Cheers, Paul.
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If this is the first time applying for the historic vehicle class, you cannot claim exemption online. This must be done at your local Post Office.
This fron the guide from auto clasics!
Yep, to change tax class it’s hardcopy only - I thought it was already historic class.
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