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Old 28th December 2017, 00:26
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I thought I would start a new build thread for my 250 Testarossa project. I'll get some photos together to show the progress so far and see how it develops.

I managed to place the winning bid on a complete Giordanengo, all aluminium body for a 1957 250 Testarossa. This is the early pontoon front wing car, an absolutely stunning looking car and one of my all time favourites.
Its about as close as you will ever get to the real thing, this body was originally fitted to a genuine chassis complete with 3 litre V12 and running gear.
The body is mostly straight but there are a few parts missing that I am going to have to fabricate from scratch, namely the scuttle panel and bonnet.

The panels are straight for the most part but the front end has been dismantled or should I say, cut up !

I'll soon be on the look out for a suitable chassis to mount the body onto. Whilst I would love to rebuild it around all Ferrari running gear once again, it is simply too expensive to contemplate.
At the moment I'm thinking Lotus 7 style chassis, maybe Westfield / Locost or similar. The early live axle cars share a very similar wheel base and track to the original 250 TR. I'm thinking V6 engine so it will at least sound right or close to that high revving V12.

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Old 28th December 2017, 06:57
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Alfa v6 to keep the Italian connection ????
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Old 28th December 2017, 20:01
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Looking forward to seeing this progress ...right up my street ...

Can I badger you every week or so for updates like you did to those poor old Tribute guys ? !!! (joking)

I'd be a bit wary of going too big an engine with an Escort rear axle , if you go the locost type route , maybe look at using a Capri axle or similar ?
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Old 28th December 2017, 23:06
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The Alfa V6 is first rate engine, the only draw back is the width of the unit and the lack of gearbox options for rear wheel drive. It has been done so I won't rule it out at this stage. I did have an Alfa 156 V6, I must admit the exhaust note is something else at high rpm!
You can badger me all you want on updates but this is a hobby for me, not a business!
You might be right about the Escort axle but plenty of Westfields have been built with tuned engines on the stock live axles. I'll bear it in mind though if I go for a really powerful engine option.
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Old 29th December 2017, 02:14
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Excellent project! I would buy a Ferrari 400i with body damage and use the engine, other running gear and VIN number. The added value from it being an actual Ferrari will more than make up the additional cost of the donor. Hietbrink will be able to help with chassis, inner structural panels, etc. See: http://hietbrink.com/
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Old 29th December 2017, 16:57
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Here are a couple of photos of the TR parts. So far I have stripped the remaining paint and gone through all the box's of bits ! There were other bits included not shown in the photos.
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Old 29th December 2017, 20:13
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I was bidding on this also, I have other projects going on and this would of put me in a storage pickle if I bought it, still regret not going for it though
glad you've got it so I can see progress
would a cobra chassis work ?
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Old 30th December 2017, 00:28
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Most Cobra chassis are far too wide. Last thing I want to do is modify the body to fit a chassis.
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Old 30th December 2017, 10:11
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Think you might be onto something with using a 7 style chassis as a donor. I was looking through the data sheets section of Madabout and there are some that are within a few mil of the TR wheelbase (hadn't realised the different 7's varied so much in wheelbase). Maybe even buy a used completed car and then just re-body it, no need to go through IVA then.

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Think you might be onto something with using a 7 style chassis as a donor. I was looking through the data sheets section of Madabout and there are some that are within a few mil of the TR wheelbase
I contacted the seller on ebay about this. It was originally on a 250 GT Boano chassis which has a 2600mm wheelbase rather than the 2350mm of the 250 TR.

I'm presuming that it was made for the 2600mm wheelbase.That would be easier than cutting the original chassis and then stretching it again after the 250TR body was removed (I understand that the original owner is now reinstating the Boano on his chassis).

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Old 30th December 2017, 13:31
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Think you might be onto something with using a 7 style chassis as a donor. I was looking through the data sheets section of Madabout and there are some that are within a few mil of the TR wheelbase (hadn't realised the different 7's varied so much in wheelbase). Maybe even buy a used completed car and then just re-body it, no need to go through IVA then.

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The TR track is very narrow so the live axle 7's with an Escort axle are about right. I'll have to get the tape measure out with regard to the wheel base to confirm it one way or another. The 250 GT Boano chassis was modified a fair bit to take the TR body, I can't see that Giordangengo would have stretched the TR body 250mm just to suit the standard chassis, I will check.

Buying an on the road car as a donor is the obvious route for me.
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Very cool project!

I'd build on a cobra chassis personally. This guy in SA is building on a cobra chassis with a 1uz toyota v8 http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/bu...a-project.html

Engine options- I'd consider inline 6 options too. Toyota 1jz or 2jz, datsun l series, Nissan rb series, bmw m and s series.

You would have a time fitting a jag v12 in there, trust me!
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Lucky – Your approach of rebodying a Caterham/Westfield sounds like a very good idea.

I must confess, all I saw was a ‘challenge’ looking at the pile of parts in the advert.



However, I’ve seen photos of this car on Rods ‘n’ Sods which is a different style, but the same principle.





Good luck, Paul.
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Old 31st December 2017, 11:30
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The photo's on the ebay advert were really poor, as was the description. After a lot of research I was happy to place a bid at the end of the auction. Yes its a pile of bits but its all hand crafted aluminium. It is largely complete and it fits back together when you offer it up. To be honest there are kit suppliers out there who will sell you a similar pile of bits in GRP for a similar price ! I think I have made a good decision here, simply just get it mounted onto a suitable chassis next and away we go !
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Old 31st December 2017, 12:04
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This is the actual car before it was dismantled.........
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This is the actual car before it was dismantled.........

Hard to tell them apart
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I really like yellow Ferrari's and silver ones ...but I guess most are going to be red ...

How did the scuttle etc get separated ? do you know ?
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Here you go!
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Old 31st December 2017, 14:08
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I have spoken with the guys that removed the body from the chassis. This was done some time ago and unfortunately the scuttle panel was lost / binned then.
The owner kept the bonnet for his other 250 TR as a spare ! At that time there was no intention to re use the body so they didn't take a lot of care of it.

That video above helped me to identify the car, namely the bulge for the spare wheel in the lower boot area and that little rectangular plate above it. Also the seats and the silver paint in the head light recesses. Those features are unique to this particular car.

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I think you made a good decision also ...is a 7 chassis the way forward may be easiest but I take it you'll be modifying it somewhat reather than just throwing the body on it

Are there other chassis that may fit like a tr chassis????
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