Sammio Chevaux ( 2cv Based Sammio Spyder Kits )

lancelot link · #1 19th August 2011, 14:13

What do you do when you find a few hours spare ?

Well Mike and I have been working 60 hour weeks , 6 days a week and I have been doing Sunday mornings where necessary as well .....but I found a few hours this week to get the Chevaux frame done...

If you go on my website you will see it listed as a Sportiva 600 - we had a casual arrangement with a 2cv specialist , we supply bodies , he supplied the framework...it hasn't really happened ....He has marketed the car as his own , only giving up the origins when challenged by people who recognise the car and as a result , I think , people have enquired direct to us...

I think also , the £2495 price tag for a kit just a bit more complex than our Spyder £1265 example hasn't helped his cause..!!

Anyway , we have had a positive order from a French guy ...so we are in production !!

I have not copied the Sportiva frame , I have created my own so as not to upset anyone- the frame shown is the only one we can supply..

Here's the frame in development - production examples will be identical except slightly better pedal bracketry ( I used Spyder brackets and will have better laser examples cut ) and will be supplied in red oxide as before.....the frame is designed to accept an 18mm flat ply floor , no tunnel , so bench seat is an option !

KIT CONSISTS OF

Frame as above
Complete bodyshell WITH STRETCHED BONNET
flat sheet of fibreglass to create bulkhead.
Sammio screen
Grille

TOTAL £1495........( Can be delivered to Cherbourg for ferry ticket price only - usually £100 - as I can take the kids for a Boat ride !! )

We are ready to go on these ...frame is being used to create a jig before it goes...SAME LEAD TIMES APPLY ( 4 Weeks )

THIS IS ANOTHER UNMODIFIED CHASSIS OPTION - SVA EXEMPT

THANK YOU.

Footnote : I know the 2cv isn't everyones idea of a donor car - but they are incredibly popular in Mainland Europe as well as an active following here...There is a place in the Industry for another option for them - I would rather this thread didn't turn into a ' I hate Citroens thread '...

garyh · #2 19th August 2011, 14:27

Look up Silly cv's... Turbos superchargers!

Roadster · #3 19th August 2011, 19:09

where on earth do you get the time Garry?
Im sure there will be a few of these joining the ever growing Sammio "club"

It will be interesting to see all the different models together.

That MX5 looks like its next but i know the G46 is nearing completion.
See you tomorrow - collecting the Roadster's body

BuildItch · #4 20th August 2011, 08:57

I have been following this deveolopment for a while (I seem to have lost my last MAKC account) and am really excited about the increasing donor car options. If the MX5 was a potential donor, I'd be very interested (especially if it was IVA free).

MB

Sammio Builder · #5 20th August 2011, 10:27

The problem with an MX5 donor is as soon as you start cutting parts of the monocoque up, it will need an IVA test.

Trevor.
http://www.sammiospyder.blogspot.com/

BuildItch · #6 20th August 2011, 11:13

Oh/Doh!

MEV's MEVX5 has bits nibbled off it to allow the kit to fit. I thought that would be exempt. I guess it depends on how much 'nibbling' would be required for the Sammio !

MB

jmc14 · #7 20th August 2011, 12:45

I can't wait to get my body to see how it will mate up to the MX5. It would be cool if it were possible to fit the body and maintain the MX5 (trimmed of course) unibody with a separate frame for stiffening. But, I will also build a lightweight space frame for the ultimate performance. The MX5 suspension and drivetrain will simply bolt in. In most states in the US it is not too much of a problem to get a specialty constructed vehicle registered and on the road.

Happy planning and building! John

Roadster · #8 20th August 2011, 20:48

It looks like my comment on the MX5 has hijacked Garrys 2CV post
If your interested in rebodying an mx5 IVA free follow the roadster post

I have kept the car intact - similar to the retro forza and mev

Sorry Garry

Mister Towed · #9 23rd August 2011, 13:50

"Footnote : I know the 2cv isn't everyones idea of a donor car - but they are incredibly popular in Mainland Europe as well as an active following here...There is a place in the Industry for another option for them - I would rather this thread didn't turn into a ' I hate Citroens thread '... "

So far so good, nobody jumping on the 'I hate tin snails' bandwagon yet. I think it's a great donor for a lightweight fun car like the Sammio.

Way back in the 80's a garage gave me a Diane 6 (think of it as a 2CV coupe) as a courtesy car while my hot hatchback was being, ahem, repaired. I was shocked by how much I liked it! Although it lacked a few luxuries, like internal door handles (you lean out of the window and open the doors from outside), it had real character: the engine was turbine smooth with a thrummy soundtrack, the suspension was incredibly supple (I managed to overtake a Peugeot 205 GTi in it as he slowed down to go over a particularly bumpy level crossing that I was able to sail over flat out at about 60mph) and if you stamped on the middle pedal at any speed, the inboard disc brakes would stop the car pretty much in its own length. I reckon with a sammio body the flat twin should return about 75mpg too if driven recklessly. Good luck with this one and 'Vive la difference!'

lancelot link · #10 24th August 2011, 10:56

I have modified the frame slightly to create a 'bulkhead ' , the angled box will enable the builder to fit the bulkhead panels easier....Incidentally, we have used 20x20x2 box to keep the weight down rather than the usual 25x25x3

Jig is being made this weekend and these are available as LHD or RHD options..

THANKS

bladerunner · #11 25th August 2011, 13:46

Hi this is my first posting on this forum
I have had a general interest in the kit car scene for many years and I think the range of Sammio designs are a breath of fresh air when compared to the usual Cobra and Lotus 7 designs which usually prevail.
In particular the 2cv chassis option offers the most simple back to basics design with low running costs and smiles per mile. One drawback of the design, however, is the underpowered engine which even in a lighter body is going to give a very poor performance. Has anyone considered what the Pembleton owners have done on their 3 and 4 wheeler kits? They have designed adaptor plates to mount the twin cylinder BMW and Moto Guzzi air cooled engines. Using the lesser powered variants is probably recommended because they use the existing 2cv gearbox to retain the front wheel drive and simplicity. This would give the car the power that it deserves and it might allow a new bonnet design which looks a bit better than the current design. I have dimensioned drawings of the BMW twin if anybody is interested.
The car looks good on its skinny standard wheels but wire wheel adaptors are available for the three stud hubs.
Spare parts for the 2cv seem to be reasonable prices and new galvanised chassis are available from around £500.
Overall I am very impressed with this design and I see a bright future.

Mister Towed · #12 25th August 2011, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bladerunner

Hi this is my first posting on this forum
I have had a general interest in the kit car scene for many years and I think the range of Sammio designs are a breath of fresh air when compared to the usual Cobra and Lotus 7 designs which usually prevail.
In particular the 2cv chassis option offers the most simple back to basics design with low running costs and smiles per mile. One drawback of the design, however, is the underpowered engine which even in a lighter body is going to give a very poor performance. Has anyone considered what the Pembleton owners have done on their 3 and 4 wheeler kits? They have designed adaptor plates to mount the twin cylinder BMW and Moto Guzzi air cooled engines. Using the lesser powered variants is probably recommended because they use the existing 2cv gearbox to retain the front wheel drive and simplicity. This would give the car the power that it deserves and it might allow a new bonnet design which looks a bit better than the current design. I have dimensioned drawings of the BMW twin if anybody is interested.
The car looks good on its skinny standard wheels but wire wheel adaptors are available for the three stud hubs.
Spare parts for the 2cv seem to be reasonable prices and new galvanised chassis are available from around £500.
Overall I am very impressed with this design and I see a bright future.

I like your thinking: Supercharged and Nitrous injected Sammio Fireblade anybody?

BuildItch · #13 26th August 2011, 20:21

Personally, I like the idea of a 2CV based roadster. Big wheels, period dash furniture and a raspy exhaust note. All good.

It was mentioned earlier that a new replacement chassis can be bought for a reasonable price but would using a new chassis change the status from 'rebodying an existing chassis' and therefore be liable for IVA?
Also, what seatbelts can be used in this conversion? One picture I saw looked like it was fitted with lap belts.

So many questions

cheers,
MB

Mister Towed · #14 26th August 2011, 21:38

If your donor was built in 1967 or after you must have at least 3 point seat belts fitted or you'll fail the MOT and get a £60 fine if you get stopped while driving it. Pre-67 you can use lap belts, diagonal belts or no belts at all.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info...lt_history.pdf

No belts is a bit like unprotected rumpy pumpy with an exotic stranger you met in a hotel bar abroad: a tad more exciting, perhaps, but likely to have unpleasant consequences.

Diagonal belts are a little better but seat occupants tend to 'submarine' during frontal impact, sliding under the belt and ending up squashed in the footwell.

Lap belts cost US car manufacturers $billions in compensation claims in the 60's and 70's due to 'seat belt syndrome' as they caused a peculiar folding of the upper body on impact that separated the lower spinal vetabrae, cut the spinal cord and left the seat occupant paralysed from the waist down.

It's your choice but I'm fitting brand new three point inertia belts.

And a condom, just in case...

davecymru · #15 27th August 2011, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed

No belts is a bit like unprotected rumpy pumpy with an exotic stranger you met in a hotel bar abroad: a tad more exciting, perhaps, but likely to have unpleasant consequences.

As far as the seat belts are concerned, i have a 1969 donor (i was going to write a 69 donor, but with Mister Towed in this sort of mood, i thought i'd better not

) so i had to fit diagonal lap belts.

Luckily i had a set of MR2 MK2 belts in the garage left over from a different project and with a bit of basic fabrication and some reading of the IVA regs to see how i "should" mount the mounting points to the chassis if i wanted something that would meet even the modern day regs, i ended up with the below set-up.

It probably cost me no more than £10/£15 for the steel tube and the 6 additional weld-in mounting points!

(Edited as i can't count!)

Mister Towed · #16 27th August 2011, 18:34

Nice set up, that kind of ingenuity is what Sammio building's all about! I think the 'wrong way round' seat belts look pretty cool, too.

I got some unused Securon 'any way up' inertia belts on ebay but I haven't quite worked out how I'm going to fit them yet. Inboard like yours could be an option...

lancelot link · #17 17th September 2011, 15:54

UPDATE;

The first official 2cv based kit is going to be delivered to Cherbourg first thing Monday Morning ....The original red oxide frame shown above is being kept as a pattern to live alongside the jig , as these frames are a bit more technical to reproduce...

Basically , it's a Sammio package with the revised and slightly more complex framework that creates outriggers and pedal mounts for the 2cv base...bodywise , the bonnet has been stretched about 4'' and the bulkhead revised to clear the new frame.

This one is also LHD....

Question is though .....is this number 60 or number 1 ?

I think 60 as its still a Sammio Spyder albeit being referred to as a Cheveaux....

davecymru · #18 17th September 2011, 17:36

I'd say no. 60 as it's still basically a Sammio Spyder to all but the most anoraky , but just the Chevaux framed version.

Then again it is your company so i guess you do get final say!

garyh · #19 17th September 2011, 18:24

Donor different, engines different, frame work different, even the bodywork has been adjusted. Its a Sammio apart from...

Mister Towed · #20 17th September 2011, 19:21

Hmm, does that mean we need to have separate factions for Vitesse and Herald donors?

Then separate factions for Herald 1200, 12/50 and 13/60 builders. And how about saloons, convertibles, estates and vans?

Separate factions for Vitesse 1600, 2 litre mk1 and rotoflex donors anybody?

Then maybe a spin off group for 15" wires (pun fully intended), etc., etc.

I kind of think a Sammio spyder is just that, regardless of what's under the skin.

This is the bit where we all sing 'ebony and ivory...'