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Old 8th July 2013, 16:15
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Some more photos of the basic frame. Now bolted in position. We've test fitted the shell which sits on as it should with very little gap filling to do.





Next step is to remove it, finish the welds, paint it and most importantly, record it so we can make another. Once that is done, we'll refit the shell, sort out bracketry for the handbrake compensator and steering column. The current plan is to go through a few iterations so we can tweak as required before making full jigs. Nothing worse than having to remake a jig due to 6mm adjustment.
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Old 8th July 2013, 17:31
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come on hurry up! :-) Want to see it with the body on!!!!!!!

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Old 8th July 2013, 18:34
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... the basic kit should take no more than 2 hours to have the frame with integral floors fitted and the body shell bonded and bolted on...


As you said before Andy, you should be able to work with the kit, not fight against it.

The frame is looking good, but a couple of questions:
- It might be the angle of the photo, but is there space to slot the front of the frame into the Spitfire front bulkhead brackets?
( As it looks like the middle of the Navigator frame would foul the middle mounting brackets on the Spitfire chassis if you were "dropping" it into place. )

- Will you have anything extending out the back to mount the exhaust to?

Looking forward to seeing it will the bodywork fitted.

Take care, Paul.
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Old 8th July 2013, 19:54
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Hi Paul. I see where you're coming from but the frame that goes in there is 2" rather than 3" which the rest of the floor is made of so it deliberately gets some 'wriggle room' on the way in and bolts through the front of the cowhorns. I'll be looking at exhaust hangers along with the steering column and compensator but as every builder will have their own idea of location it may not be 'one size fits all'. Once it's all together I intend making a time lapse series of frame and shell fitting so watch this soace.
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Old 9th July 2013, 11:24
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Well, here you go. The new Navigator shell sitting nicely on the new frame!

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Old 9th July 2013, 11:34
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Looking good Himalayas, sorry, Andys.

Sorry, I know it's the world's oldest joke but I couldn't resist it.

Now get a driveable demonstrator finished and get those sales rolling in.

If I can get one of these on the road, which I have, anybody with a bit of mechanical nous can.
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Old 9th July 2013, 12:20
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And for those wondering about hanging Exhausts. Here is one solution. A simple frame that shares mounting with the rear of the main frame and effectively puts a 40" bar just up under the rear of the shell.



It could be 'Triangulated' but with the stress it's under, I really don't think it's worth the extra metal/weight
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Andy only my opinion but with vibration i think that may fail eventually, maybe just a songle support running diagonally from the top of the main frame down to the centre of it?
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Yup. Already thought of that and you'll see it in the video following:

http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/An...04a8e.mp4.html
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Old 9th July 2013, 16:48
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and if it had support at both ends it would make a handy boot space......
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Old 9th July 2013, 16:49
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Oh and BTW the video needs the Benny Hill Music to it! :-)
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Old 10th July 2013, 12:34
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First test fit of the floor in the new frame:

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Are they being welded from underneath? or have they got a lip?
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Currently finalising that but at present we're looking at welding underneath to the frame and a partial seam inside the well. Also will be looking at a bracket / angle to attach to the chassis once fitted
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Looking good
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Agreed. One thing to bear in mind though, if anybody wants to fit sliding seats the floors need to slope up from back to front so they're level with the top edge of the centre outrigger at the front. Otherwise the seat adjuster handle will foul the inside of the outrigger. Hope that makes sense.

Ahh, some photos might help.





You can see that the handle on the seat runners wouldn't clear the front edge unless it was near enough level with the top of the centre rigger.
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Old 10th July 2013, 15:36
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THe thinking behind this is that if that were needed it would be a simple matter to chock the front mounts of the seat runners up to the angle required but having sat in a flat lowered floor now, it feels good and gives that option which couldn't be given to a sloping floor. The same goes for the front floors which, as they will be supplied separately, can be mounted above or below the chassis rail to suit the builder's own preferences.
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Whilst I can see pros and cons for both flat and sloping, I think sloping has an advantage in that people who need to sit closer to the wheel and pedals tend to be shorter and hence they need to sit higher to have a good view of the road.

I am hoping that my finished car will be driven by quite a few people (I like the idea of being a passenger as family and friends enjoy it), so it needs to be flexible without the need for cushions.
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Old 10th July 2013, 16:41
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That's our thinking in that a lowered, flat floor gives both options whilst a permanently sloped floor only gives one. In effect a flat can be converted to exactly the same as a sloped floor by the addition of a raised block under the front rail mounts.
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Old 10th July 2013, 18:36
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Just to throw in a different opinion. What i found from driving mine with a fixed seat, as it was angled and not too far back it catered for everyone from me (6'2") downwards without needing adjustment. Actually i can't remember anyone being too short to reach the pedals....

That said i'm not knocking anyone who does fit a sliding seat, especially if they're "well ard", as while i can see that sliding seats can be useful, I'm not totally convinced that they're needed in a Sammio/Ribble?

Just food for thought
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