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Old 3rd May 2006, 22:41
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Do you not think the industry has strayed too far from it's roots, it used to be an alternative to scrapping a car with kn******d bodywork, putting ALL the good mechanicals into a new chassis/bodykit, a cheap replacement. Now it's bits from here and there at a premium, and, at the end albeit a decent product a pretty expensive one. Too expensive for a lot of folks. Perhaps it,s more single donor vehicle kits that are needed!!
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Think the nearest we will get to this in the future is Banham style kits - where an existing car is rebodied.
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Old 4th May 2006, 08:48
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Think the nearest we will get to this in the future is Banham style kits - where an existing car is rebodied.
Car do last a fair bit longer these days before rusting away . . . .
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Old 4th May 2006, 13:24
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Cars do last a fair bit longer these days before rusting away . . . .
Which is one of the many problems that the Kit Car industry is facing; it would be good to turn this vice into a virtue.

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Old 4th May 2006, 13:34
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Just thinking - there's plenty of people crashing their cars though.

Especially the likes of 106's & Saxo's.

Wonder if ther is a market for a kit based on one of these.

Most younger people are insured tpf&t, so are often left with a wreck with nothing to do with it.

A cheap kit based around the remains might work . . .
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Old 4th May 2006, 18:21
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Didn't Robin Hood experiment with a Saxo based car - 'One-O-Sax' I believe?

This was a body kitted Saxo with a Rover turbo engine......but didn't get to the production stage.

Older cars, which remain structurally sound could provide a good, cheap base for a conversion.....as Kitcarman says turn this into a virtue.

Unfortunately the younger generation have a lack of mechanical ability, and if they were to smash their car up on TPF&T, they would just get a loan and buy another one....
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Old 4th May 2006, 19:44
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You don't think a Saxo based kit would work then?

I'm not thinking a rebody now, more a plentiful, single donor vehicle.

What if 'younger generation man' smashed his car up, then instead of getting a loan for another one, he got a loan for a kit? Or better got a loan so a manufacterer could build his 'kit' from his old car?

If average 'younger generation man' spends £4k on his car and he could get a unique car for this cash, wouldn't he at least consider it?

This brings us to the point of bringing down the cost of a kit. After all how much does it cost for a piece of fibreglass?
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Old 4th May 2006, 19:59
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A metro rebody, but it could be a peugeot 106 or saxo rebody,

http://www.356sports.co.uk/356_sport...er-gallery.htm

But in case you wanted to update the design of the 356 you wouldn't encounter design infringement laws.....

That is the old banham speedster conversion....
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Old 4th May 2006, 20:10
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and the pricing for their more complete is very interesting:

Stage 2
GRP bodywork in grey gelcoat finish consisting of front and rear body halves, pair of double skinned doors, bootlid, engine cover and headlamp buckets - £1595


I could immagine a complete build for 4000 to 5000 P., maybe????, but if you updated the design a little you would have a very interesting speedster for the price of a lame hatchback!!

Maybe conversions could be one a solution....
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I consider myself in the "younger generation" bracket as I'm 26, my brothers 22

I personally dont like max power cars, very few are tastefully done.

I started with no mechanical knowledge of cars other than the very basic pressure and fluid level checks. I decided to build a kit mainly for the experiance and then have a excellent weekend/summer car when its done. It also gives me a test bed to experiment with tuning when its done - nothing worse than having your daily driver on axel stands when you need it! Insurance also seems a bit more lenient towards power modifications and the whole thing is custom anyway!
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Electric kitcar conversions:

http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pa..._html_home.htm
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try this one:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...ectric_ca.html
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Old 4th May 2006, 20:36
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alternative fuels :

http://www.greasecar.com/index.cfm
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A fantastic looking Dakar 4x4 , Discovery conversion:

http://www.dakar4x4.me.uk/

great design and conversion, I'd like to have one
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After all how much does it cost for a piece of fibreglass?
Don't get me started!!!.......if it costs say £20K in time & materials to develop a body shell (a not unreasonable amount...) and you sell 50 (a good number) it will still be £400 per body in development costs.

Perhaps Kitcarman can give better detail on this....
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Old 4th May 2006, 21:53
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A metro rebody, but it could be a peugeot 106 or saxo rebody,

http://www.356sports.co.uk/356_sport...er-gallery.htm

But in case you wanted to update the design of the 356 you wouldn't encounter design infringement laws.....

That is the old banham speedster conversion....
And the complete project was recently available on Ebay.....perhaps you could become a manufacturer Italio?
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naaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not good with math !!!!!
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Just in case you had n old mercedes laying about in your backyard....

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=848531&page=1
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Nice, but you would want to pay £1500 for the kit, Italio......
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Nice, but you would want to pay £1500 for the kit, Italio......
If we were talking about £1500 on top of the car you have just written off being the total cost, then I think you'll find people who are interested.

If a kit company could offer 'Mr I've just written off my Saxo' driver a full kit build service inc the new kit for £2500 - £3000, I think they'd be on to a winner.
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Old 7th May 2006, 17:28
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Can I refer you to my earlier post.....

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Unfortunately the younger generation have a lack of mechanical ability, and if they were to smash their car up on TPF&T, they would just get a loan and buy another one....
I think a 'Banham' style cheap kit is the future.....BUT.....I dont think this is the right target market....they want the car instantly, not spend a year building it.
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