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Old 27th December 2017, 23:26
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I thought I would start a new build thread for my 250 Testarossa project. I'll get some photos together to show the progress so far and see how it develops.

I managed to purchase a complete Scaglietti inspired, all aluminium body for a 1957 250 Testarossa by Giordanengo. This is an early pontoon fender car, an absolutely stunning looking vehicle and one of my all time favourites.
It is about as close as you will ever get to the real thing, the body was originally fitted to a genuine chassis 0611GT complete with 3 litre V12 and running gear. A tiny number of these cars were coach built by Giordanengo in Italy during the 1980's
The body is mostly straight but there are a few parts missing that I am going to have to fabricate from scratch, namely the scuttle panel and bonnet.

I'll soon be on the look out for a suitable chassis to mount the body onto. Whilst I would love to rebuild it around all Ferrari running gear once again, it is simply just about impossible to source front engine, rear wheel drive base cars at sensible money.

I am going to have to be creative and put my engineering skills to the test !

At the moment I'm thinking spaceframe Lotus 7 style chassis. The live axle cars share a very similar wheel base and track to the original 250 TR. I'm thinking V6 engine so it will at least sound right or close to that high revving V12.


This is going to be a fantastic project !!

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Old 28th December 2017, 05:57
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Alfa v6 to keep the Italian connection ????
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Old 28th December 2017, 19:01
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Looking forward to seeing this progress ...right up my street ...

Can I badger you every week or so for updates like you did to those poor old Tribute guys ? !!! (joking)

I'd be a bit wary of going too big an engine with an Escort rear axle , if you go the locost type route , maybe look at using a Capri axle or similar ?
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Old 28th December 2017, 22:06
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The Alfa V6 is first rate engine, the only draw back is the width of the unit and the lack of gearbox options for rear wheel drive. It has been done so I won't rule it out at this stage. I did have an Alfa 156 V6, I must admit the exhaust note is something else at high rpm!

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Old 29th December 2017, 01:14
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Excellent project! I would buy a Ferrari 400i with body damage and use the engine, other running gear and VIN number. The added value from it being an actual Ferrari will more than make up the additional cost of the donor. Hietbrink will be able to help with chassis, inner structural panels, etc. See: http://hietbrink.com/
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Old 29th December 2017, 15:57
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Here are a couple of photos of the TR parts. So far I have stripped the remaining paint and gone through all the box's of bits ! There were other bits included not shown in the photos. I have offered the parts up, everything lines up and will go back together without problem.
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Old 29th December 2017, 19:13
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I was bidding on this also, I have other projects going on and this would of put me in a storage pickle if I bought it, still regret not going for it though
glad you've got it so I can see progress
would a cobra chassis work ?
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Old 31st December 2017, 00:39
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Very cool project!

I'd build on a cobra chassis personally. This guy in SA is building on a cobra chassis with a 1uz toyota v8 http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/bu...a-project.html

Engine options- I'd consider inline 6 options too. Toyota 1jz or 2jz, datsun l series, Nissan rb series, bmw m and s series.

You would have a time fitting a jag v12 in there, trust me!
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Lucky – Your approach of rebodying a Caterham/Westfield sounds like a very good idea.

I must confess, all I saw was a ‘challenge’ looking at the pile of parts in the advert.



However, I’ve seen photos of this car on Rods ‘n’ Sods which is a different style, but the same principle.





Good luck, Paul.
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Old 31st December 2017, 10:30
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The photo's on the advert were poor, as was the description. The body is all hand crafted aluminium. It is largely complete and it fits back together when you offer it up. I think I have made a good decision here, get it mounted onto a suitable chassis, fit a good strong V6 engine and away we go !

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This is the actual car before it was dismantled.........
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This is the actual car before it was dismantled.........

Hard to tell them apart
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I really like yellow Ferrari's and silver ones ...but I guess most are going to be red ...

How did the scuttle etc get separated ? do you know ?
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Here you go!
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Old 31st December 2017, 13:08
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I have spoken with the guys that removed the body from the chassis. This was done some time ago and unfortunately the scuttle panel was lost then.
The owner kept the bonnet for his other 250 TR as a spare ! At that time there was no intention to re use the body so it was put into storage.

That video above helped me to identify the car, namely the bulge for the spare wheel in the lower boot area and that little rectangular plate above it. Also the seats and the silver paint in the head light recesses. Those features are unique to this particular car.

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I think you made a good decision also ...is a 7 chassis the way forward may be easiest but I take it you'll be modifying it somewhat reather than just throwing the body on it

Are there other chassis that may fit like a tr chassis????
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Old 31st December 2017, 15:58
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The 7 style chassis are a good starting point. If you look at the shape of a typical 7 with swept back front wings you will see that the Testarossa has some similarities. The seating position relative to the rear wheels is also similar as is the long nose forward of the cockpit. When the outer panels of a 7 are removed you are left with a neat, light weight space frame. Even down to the suspension, the Testarossa was a live axle at the rear with double wishbones at the front, same as the Westfields etc. Wheel base and track are also very similar and as I said before, I wouldn't want to modify the bodywork to suit a chassis. If a 7 chassis is that close I shouldn't have to modify that either apart from adding mounting points for the body.

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is a 7 chassis the way forward
My comment was based on my driving experiences of a 7 ok for short blasts but quite focused and tail happy
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Old 1st January 2018, 21:18
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My comment was based on my driving experiences of a 7 ok for short blasts but quite focused and tail happy
I've owned 2 Westfields and several of the early monocoque Robin Hood 7's all with various engines from a 1600 Ford crossflow to a tuned 3.9 Rover V8. I also had a Ginetta 27 with a Rover V8, with an Escort live axle.
You are right about the characteristics of the 7 but the bigger engines with matched diff ratio make them far more drivable.
Remember the 250 TR was a small car designed for the track first and foremost all be it with a big engine. The original TR must have been a handful with the V12 engine and skinny tyres.

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I agree ...7 style will work if my previous mockups on a locost are anything to go by ....
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