Royale Sabre - Take two! - Page 25

Amir Manzoori · #**481** 16th August 2020, 17:56

Hi Peter, just a little note to wish you and family well and hope none of you have been effected in any way and reason for your absent is that you are busy with the interior.
All the best.

peterux · #**482** 16th August 2020, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori

Hi Peter, just a little note to wish you and family well and hope none of you have been effected in any way and reason for your absent is that you are busy with the interior.
All the best.

Hi Amir,
thank you for your concern and yes, we are all safe and well. The lack of updates is due to too many other non-car related projects :-)
No real progress since my last update but I hope to back working on my Sabre in the Autumn.
All the best, Peter

Amir Manzoori · #**483** 18th August 2020, 08:39

Thank you for your reply and wish you all the very best.
Stay safe, Amir

Amir Manzoori · #**484** 21st December 2020, 09:53

It is that time of the year, even though it is not anything we have experienced before, we can always wish one another all the very best for the future.
Have a wonderful Christmas and may you be blessed with a new year filled with all the good things you wish for.

lordivanhoe · #**485** 22nd December 2020, 11:45

Quite right, Amir - a very Merry Christmas to you, and to Peter, and all that are following this epic build blog! Here's hoping for better and a chance to take to the road in 2021! Ivan :-)

peterux · #**486** 24th December 2020, 20:11

Thank you to you both for your best wishes.
Happy Christmas to all members and readers of this forum and let's all hope for a Happier New Year.

Amir Manzoori · #**487** 31st January 2021, 13:36

Dear Peter,
I hope 2021 started well for you and yours.
Below is a request from Barry Evans of R.O.C management, and as this was the only way I can get in touch with you I am forwarding it to you and hope it is ok;

Hi Amir,
Trusting you and your family are keeping well and safe.
As you will be aware I am trying to obtain as much information As I can to record for prosperity and accurate history of the Club and it’s cars.
I see that you are friendly with Madaboutkitcars Peter who is painstakingly building a BMW powered Sabre. Is he a club member? Is there any chance you could ask him to contact me as we would like his chassis number, which I am now able to accurately decipher. This will help Peter to accurately create the 17 digit VIN which will be required for IVA. The numbers will retain the history of his Sabre.
Many thanks,
Barrie
01332 792738
07814 621376

Let's hope, for all our sakes, this pandemic becomes history soon.

Regards

Amir

peterux · #**488** 31st January 2021, 22:17

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Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori

Dear Peter,
I hope 2021 started well for you and yours.
Below is a request from Barry Evans of R.O.C management, and as this was the only way I can get in touch with you I am forwarding it to you and hope it is ok;

Hi Amir,
yes, I and my family are all thankfully well but I'm still struggling to find time in the garage :-)
(But I will be back soon, promise

)

Yes, I am a ROC member so I had already sent Barrie details of my Sabre. But, I didn't mention to him that I am 'Peterux' so he didn't tie the two together. I've now dropped him a note to explain who I am.
Thanks for letting me know.

...peter

Amir Manzoori · #**489** 4th February 2021, 17:39

Looking forward to seeing you back with the build and glad all is well.
Please stay safe.

peterux · #**490** 5th February 2021, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori

Looking forward to seeing you back with the build and glad all is well.
Please stay safe.

Thanks, Amir.
But I think you have raised a good point that there may be others that follow my build thread who may have a Royale that they are building or restoring and who are not members of the owners club.
If there is anyone lurking here who owns a Royale car, then please supply details of your car to Barrie. (contact details above)

peterux · #**491** 20th February 2021, 17:53

Well, after far too long, I managed to find a couple of hours in my garage this week. My last update was last May in the middle of the first lockdown when I was working on a centre console/arm rest which is still not complete.
The reason for the lack of progress was due to having an extension built on our cottage which was done by a builder but inevitably lead to a string of other jobs, like decorating, lighting, curtain rails and, not least, re-laying the patio. Despite three lockdowns, I've still not found much time to work my Sabre.
So back in the garage, the first job I've tackled is remounting the rear fog and reversing lamps. I had mounted these using the rather flimsy adjustable brackets that they came with. But they seemed to move every time I walked past the car which I was not happy about. Not wishing to fail the IVA test on something silly like this, I decided to sort this out and I have removed them and re-mounted them on some more substantial fixed brackets. I have also fitted the rear reflectors whilst I had the bumper off the car.(Nothing worth photographing)
I'm now working on the upper seat belt mounting points. My car was designed and manufactured in 1994 which was well before SVA/IVA and the seat belt mounting points are too low to meet the current requirements. One advantage of a 'somewhat protracted build schedule' means I've had lots of time to mull this kind of problem over and I think I have come up with an elegant solution. I'll take some photo's when it's finished.

...peter

Mister Towed · #**492** 20th February 2021, 18:45

Looking forward to seeing your seat belt solution, always seeking to snaffle good ideas

Amir Manzoori · #**493** 22nd February 2021, 17:19

Eagerly waiting to see your master piece which I am sure is going to be the best of it's kind. Going by what you have done on your sabre, I am sure the extension and decoration of the house must be first class too.
Good luck with everything.

peterux · #**494** 27th February 2021, 20:15

Thanks Amir and Mr. Towed.
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This week I've addressed a long standing issue that I've been aware off ever since I first got my Sabre.
As I said above, my car is a very early one manufactured in 1994, well before the SVA now replaced by the IVA test.
This is the diagram from the IVA manual that shows how to check the height of the upper anchorage point for the seat belts. The minimum height from the reference point 'R' is 450mm in the text. And as you can see the seat type and mounting height is also important.

IVA seatbelt height by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

This is the view of the Sabre's upper anchorage point as designed in 1994. The upright is welded to the chassis. The diagonal brace takes the seat belt upper mounting and the hood frame.

Hood frame and rear brace by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

On later Sabre's the seat belt mounting point is welded into the top of the vertical 'B' post. The post is longer making this point higher and the post is mounted more inboard so the diagonal is flat and bolted to the outside edge of the post.
Photo courtesy of Stewart Arnott

Later Sabre chassis by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I could have had the chassis reworked as this type of welding was way beyond my capability. Instead, I've raised the seatbelt mounting by welding a small plate to the diagonal and re-drilling the mounting hole in this plate. (The folding hood frame will need to be modified but that shouldn't be too difficult.) The plate is the same thickness as the original diagonal brace and I welded it on both sides to make it as strong as possible. In an accident, the weld will be mostly under compression.
I also plan to rework the interior trim so that it covers the diagonal upper edge.

Modified seatbelt diagonal by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

The IVA examiners have a special measurement tool with string and spirit levels. I improvised with a piece of timber mounted between the seatbelts. The top surface of the timber is the 'effective anchorage point'.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I made up the IVA specified 'distance piece' from a cereal carton. The cross section is exactly 136mm x 53mm

IVA distance piece by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I then clamped a steel rule to the timber and used my magnetic spirit level to make sure the steel rule was level.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I could then measure from the reference point to the horizontal steel rule.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

My measurement comes out at 468mm so hopefully I have about 18mm 'contingency' for measurement error.

So, I think I've cracked this issue but if anyone can see a flaw in my solution please shout out as I'd rather know now than find out at the IVA test

....peter

Paul L · #**495** 28th February 2021, 10:59

Peter - I assume the cardboard was set in position for the measurement?
(And just left laying flat in the photo.)

In which case, I think you have designed a way of matching the IVA measurement.

Not sure if I've posted this link before, or even if it covers seat belt mounting.
But it has a lot of practical demonstrations of the test and how to pass.

https://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/threads/...h-biva.405393/

Finally, the new welded plate is quite short (relative to the length of the original mounting bar).

So, I'd be tempted to bolt a cross brace bar between the two original pieces to form a triangle just in case.
(Assuming it wouldn't be in the way of any other fitting.)

Good luck, Paul.

peterux · #**496** 2nd March 2021, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Paul L

Peter - I assume the cardboard was set in position for the measurement?
(And just left laying flat in the photo.)
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I'd be tempted to bolt a cross brace bar between the two original pieces to form a triangle just in case.
(Assuming it wouldn't be in the way of any other fitting.)

Good luck, Paul.

Hi Paul,
many thanks for your feedback and the BIVA link. I haven't read the whole thread yet (25 pages!!) but the description of the IVA test and failure points are always good learning points.
The photo's have 'flattened' my spacer piece. It is actually a box with six sides that lifts the ruler off the seat by the required amount. It just looks flat in the photo's.
I also like your idea of a cross brace. I'm not sure it's needed but I think it will be relatively simple to add so I'll take a look next time I'm in the garage.
cheers, Peter