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Old 9th August 2019, 17:03
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Default Better than a Haynes manual!

Wow! Thank you, Paul!

I was hoping for a few pointers and you took the time and effort to produce such a detailed guide - that's fantastic!

Just hope that my wife won't notice when her yoga mat gets a little bit shorter!

Onwards and upwards...

Richard
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Old 13th August 2019, 16:56
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Default Front end progress

On a bit of a roll...

Having sorted the rear, I fitted the screen using Mr. Towed's trusty rubber well nuts and suddenly things are looking better! Before I left my job, I printed the housings for very discrete LED indicators which will be painted in body colour (now decided - more later). These will need an inline resistor to work with the flasher unit, but I can mount these on the frame inside the engine bay.

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Need to address the negative camber and I have re-read davecymru's thread so will have to take the plunge for new adjustable shocks and springs at some point, although I see that Canley's do an adjustable top wishbone - anyone tried one?

Just waiting on some more aluminium to make a mounting for the fusebox. I opted to keep the original bulkhead (it was the only one I had!) so have drilled a big hole to route the loom inside the footwell and there were some conveniently placed holes already there to bring engine bay cables back out again - result!

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A slight conundrum withe the brake master cylinder - I bought a 3/4" uprated one to replace the original very big 5/8" one in the hope that it would fit under the front wing but alas, still a bit of a clash...I could move the frame rail but it would still make removing the lid / filling with fluid difficult. Guessing a remote filler version would be the answer - Wilwood seem to do a good range - all thoughts welcome!...

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Hopefully, the weather will hold, so I can crack on

Richard
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Old 13th August 2019, 19:26
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The adjustable top wishbone works well and you can always get some spacers for the bottom wishbone brackets but may need to extend the bolt through the chasses. look at www.wolfitt.com he has some good information on Triumph.

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Old 19th August 2019, 08:35
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Thanks for the suspension info Keith - will take a look at Wolfitt.

In between tidying the garage, whilst labourer is back from Uni, I have finalised a few more bits and pieces...

The nearside wheel arch has never fitted the wheel (which I showed previously), so out with the jigsaw and more surgery:

Wheel arch profile.jpg

Much better!

Mounted the screen and finalised the profile for the weather/retaining strip:

Windscreen profile.jpg

This made a bit more space for fitting a rearview mirror which I bought as a blind spot mirror. Unfortunately, the field of view is just about the width of the two headrests, so it creates more blind spots than it solves! Thinking about an early Beetle oval one...

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Finally cut out vents on wings and test fitted my 3D printed grilles - the centre one has a modification for an LED indicator repeater (the same type used on the front) which I thought might be an added safety feature:

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And finally...a bit of bling...found a local metal laser cutter in Derby who was able to cut out the front trident from my DXF file:

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Chip, chip, chippin' away!

Richard
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Old 20th August 2019, 06:33
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Starting to come together nicely. Not sure if you've thought of this, but a 'rubber' sealing strip along the bottom edge of the screen frame stops water coming through underneath it and gives a more finished look.

My trimmer gave me a suitable length of open 'P' shaped seal and I can't seem to find it online now, but there are lots of options. Check out E Type edge seal ATJ1927 in the link as it looks suitable -

https://www.sealsdirect.co.uk/shoppi...rtmentId=68#86

Keep up the good work!
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Old 20th August 2019, 20:50
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Richard - Looks like your progress is started to gain some momentum.

So keep plugging away, as every job done is one less to do.

Good luck, Paul.

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The side indicator should work well and I like your cockpit mirror too.
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Old 20th August 2019, 23:00
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[QUOTE=DerbyDreamer;101684]On a bit of a roll...



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Hi Richard,


Nice to see you are back on the build and on a roll. I'm not as far as you are, but I'm constantly thinking of ways to approach mounting of the body and find the best position to minimize the effects of symmetry (or a lack of it ).


I was wondering if you have any photos of your front inner arches you've attached to the frame please? Are they flush with the top of the frame rails or did you raise the front of the body (closer to the radiator) above the frame at all?


Also, if you have any photo of the body position by radiator area (without bonnet), that would be great. Did you have such a difference in distance from the frame from one side to another, like in the photo below?



IMG_1758.jpg



The photo above shows my body just resting on the frame and follows the frame lines by the front and back bulkhead area. The inner (back) side of my dashboard panel is parallel and against the frame, which should provide a reference for forward/back position of the body, but there is obvious issue with the alignment at the front....

Any advice would help.


Thank you.

Cheers, Deni
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Old 21st August 2019, 16:27
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DerbyDreamer & Deni – I hope the following helps.

Without wishing to drag up a big row from the past, the original Sammio Cordite bonnet…



Was used as the starting point for developing the Miglia Speedster bonnet.



This was a big improvement in the area between the driver’s side headlight & the bonnet opening.

But the ‘wonky’ nose remained.

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My top tip would be to just ignore the symmetry issues if you can.

Because, in the real world, no one else notices the same things that we see when building the cars.

I know there is an issue with the nose, so I can see it in this photo.



Thankfully, most people will simply see a great looking car and many will believe it is a Ferrari.

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However, if you really want to straighten things out, the joy of fibreglass is you can do what you want.

Note: It is always a mistake to put a straight line anywhere near these cars.



As this will always lead to more work, even if the cut and join is straight forward.





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In the end, I spent a lot of hours butchering my bonnet and then piecing it back together again.



But, by the time you finish all the work, you can’t see the joins.



Please Note:
Despite throwing a HUGE number of hours at this, I still didn't achieve perfect symmetry.

So the key thing to remember is that back in the ‘50s, these cars were built like this…



Not like this.



So if anyone does ask, just say the body shell for the car was hand built.

Good luck, Paul.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 15:04
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Thanks for the lip seal idea, Mr T - will have a measure up!

Deni, I will get hold of some more detailed photos for you.

Thanks for the 'grounding' Paul! It pays to remind ourselves where 'specials' started!!
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Old 22nd August 2019, 16:07
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Deni,

I have tried to show some details of the bonnet frame - they are different and I think I will end up moving one of them, in order to create some space for my brake master cylinder, as I am using the original Vitesse bulkhead which seems to set the pedals higher?

Miglia left bonnet.jpg

Miglia right bonnet.jpg

The front cross bar will also need to move forward when I adjust the side frames, as I opted for the original style radiator and want to fit a fan to the front of it, so need to make a bit more room.

Miglia radiator frame.jpg

I don't have any front wheel arches but have read of others adapting trailer wheel arches to fit inside the front wings. I do have a pair of these for the rear and they will fit over the rear axle when I take the body off to complete the rear end surgery...

Miglia rear arches.jpg

Let me know if I can take any more photos or measurements and I will have a look at mine.

Cheers

Richard
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Old 22nd August 2019, 17:20
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Paul L - Thank you for your sound advice and the photos, valuable as always.
I'm intending to keep it as simple as possible and I'm hoping to avoid cutting the body and wheel arches if possible. I'm ok with it not being perfect, and I know I would end up chasing my own tail if I would try to make it perfect. However, it is good to get as much info/references as possible (not many Miglia builds are on the forum compared to Sammio) in order to find the best position before bonding the body permanently.

DerbyDreamer - thanks a lot, the photos are very helpful.

My frame also has different left and right bonnet rails, but luckily it is not difficult to modify this if necessary.

I saw you are using the original bulkhead, but I can't see any of photos from your old posts on your thread, so I thought I'll ask a few questions.

You can see in the picture I've posted that I have an alignment problem at the front. There is a big difference in distance from the front bonnet opening edge to the front frame rail on the left side compared to the right.

Can I just ask, now you have the body in position, how much difference in distance have you ended up with please? The measurement will do, but if you have a photo similar to mine, that would be great.



Thanks.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 18:20
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Deni,

I have made some measurements: the line on the green tape marks the centre of the metal frame and the orange tape shows the distance from the centre of the frame to the edge of the bonnet opening; as you can see, there is 50mm difference. That said, the centre of the radiator (also marked in orange) is not far off the centre of the frame, leading me to think that the opening is off centre, which I can live with!

Body alignment.jpg

The other useful thing to check is that the front edge of the wheel arches actually tuck around the front chassis 'horns' quite well on each side and I think this will be a useful body mounting point...

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Hope that helps...

Richard
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Old 22nd August 2019, 20:00
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Thanks for your reply Richard.

So sorry, but I meant the measurement length-ways (please see the arrows in photo below).....no rush, just when you have time.



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Thanks.

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Default Body alignment update

Apologies, Deni - I misread your original question!

I have added the forward measurements here and there is a 20mm difference between the two sides (the measurements were taken at the edge of the radiator to the furthest forward edge of the opening, effectively where the bonnet will sit).

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I did also check the distance from the front frame to the bulkhead and this is within 10mm on either side.

Hope that helps!

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Old 23rd August 2019, 11:20
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Thanks a lot Richard, it's a great help. I was unable to work on my car since March now, but will start again in a few days hopefully - looking forward to it!

Your car is coming together well so far and it will look great when when it's finished. I like your dash design and its position, looks really good.
Looking forward to following your progress and good luck with the 'plastic (fibreglass) surgery' .

Cheers, Deni.
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