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MartinClan's Pembleton build

6 Sep 2012, 4:35pm
Last year, having completed my Marlin Sportster a few years previously, I started to get itchy fingers again. This time I have chosen to build a Pembleton which is a very vintage looking 3 wheeler using Citreon 2CV mechanics.

I chose the Pembleton because:
a. I like its looks
b. Being a 3 wheeler it is classed as a heavy trike and only has to pass the MSVA test which is both less onerous and cheaper than the IVA.
c. Should be (relatively) cheap to build and run.

So I have started with this:


Dscf1369 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

And should hopefully end up with something like this:


silverfish by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

The plan is to post updates regularly (or whenever I remember) so watch this space....

Robin
6 Sep 2012, 5:13pm
Nice choice, another quality kit, will look forward to the updates.

John
6 Sep 2012, 7:50pm
That is a beautiful example!!

I especially like the brass headlamp bowls and wing mirror. Superb!

(For a moment there, I thought you had already finished :lol:)
7 Sep 2012, 7:21am
peterux wrote:
That is a beautiful example!!


It's generally considered to be one of the best examples. Most Pembleton owners name their cars - this one is called Silverfish.

It's a standard to aim for. Not sure if my skills are quite up to it however - we shall see! There are more pictures of this and other completed cars on the Pembleton website http://www.pembleton.co.uk/Home.html

Robin
7 Sep 2012, 7:59am
MartinClan wrote:
It's generally considered to be one of the best examples. Most Pembleton owners name their cars - this one is called Silverfish.

It's a standard to aim for. Not sure if my skills are quite up to it however - we shall see! There are more pictures of this and other completed cars on the Pembleton website http://www.pembleton.co.uk/Home.html

Robin


Robin

How do the open engines get through MSVA is it much less stringent than IVA?
Mike
7 Sep 2012, 8:15am
Mike wrote:
How do the open engines get through MSVA is it much less stringent than IVA?
Mike


There seems to be two schools of thought.

Apparently there is an exemption for the cooling fins of air cooled engines so with some carefull positioning/covering of all the ancilliaries so they are not contactable you can get away with this.

But recently most builders seem to have fabricated a simple mesh guard that covers the whole kit and caboudle. Bit of a sledgehammer approach. Rust seems to attack them fairly quickly after the test and they tend to fall off....

I wonder what they do for the new Morgan 3 wheeler?

Robin
10 Sep 2012, 7:30am
Some pictures of the front

DSCF1550 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

And rear of the chassis

DSCF1549 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

My new workshop (shed) is only just long enough to take the built car and so it's difficult to get a picture of the whole thing in one go! I have made a dolly from some large bits of timber (left over from the shed build) and some industrial castors, so that I can easily move the chassis to make best use of the limited space.

And some pics of a few more of the bits from the manufacturer

DSCF1542 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

DSCF1555 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

DSCF1556 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

DSCF1557 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Robin
11 Sep 2012, 9:24pm
Awesome stuff, looks nice :)
16 Sep 2012, 5:10pm
vrooomm, burble, burble, vrooooom :D
16 Sep 2012, 9:07pm
Hmmmm... an exoskeleton three wheeler! :eyebrows:
16 Oct 2012, 12:44pm
Gearslide (gearstick?) arrangement. I replaced the 'orrible standard rubber connection between the lever in the box and the gearslide with a rose joint.

DSCF1679 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Front of gearslide will evenetually be supported by bulkhead but for now it's a block of wood! Interestingly the 2CV gearbox is a dogleg. First opposite reverse, 2nd opposite 3rd and 4th opposite nothing!

DSCF1672 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Umbrella style handbrake. I had to make the link as the standard 2CV link is too short.

DSCF1680 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Various pictures of the brake line instalation. There isn't a single flexi in the whole system thanks to Citreon's ingenuity.

DSCF1678 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1682 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1683 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1684 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1686 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1685 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

More pictures here [url]www.flickr.com/photos/robinmartin[/url]
16 Oct 2012, 7:48pm
I love those 'coil sprung' brake lines, they are such an elegant design.
Less connections and nothing to perish. (But no ethanol for you!!)
Did you re-make the new ones yourself?
18 Oct 2012, 8:00am
peterux wrote:
Did you re-make the new ones yourself?


Unfortunately not. Citreon use a different method of terminating the brake pipes (now there's a surprise). They have a bulge about 1cm from the end of the pipe (instead of a flare on the end) and a little rubber tube that slips over the end of the pipe that actually makes the seal. You can buy a special Citreon brake flaring kit but is is £££££. Forunately a company called Bonapart (really!) make a brake pipe kit specially for the Pembleton with the correct length pipes. Well - almost correct, I had to be a bit inventive in one case.

Robin
19 Oct 2012, 9:02am
MartinClan wrote:
They have a bulge about 1cm from the end of the pipe (instead of a flare on the end) and a little rubber tube that slips over the end of the pipe that actually makes the seal. ...

Robin


Trust the French to spoil what could have been a perfect design! I bet that little rubber tube will melt away in some ethanol!!
25 Jan 2013, 4:28pm
That looks terrific!

(but where are the other 4 cylinders :noidea:)
25 Jan 2013, 6:17pm
In the other car haha........
26 Jan 2013, 12:33am
cool, I like that engine :D Looks like it belongs in the front of a WW1 fighter :D
7 Feb 2013, 1:23pm
Workshop Weekend

Last weekend I went to a workshop weekend hosted by Duncan Grimmond. Duncan is a professional sheet metal artisan (http://www.zinccounters.co.uk/) and also a fellow Pembleton enthusiast. Once or twice a year he is kind enough to open up his workshop so that Pembleton builders can access his huge range of metal forming tools - folders, shrinkers, stretchers..... The main job I wanted to do was to form the flange on the floor which is curved and so potentially tricky. Duncan made it look easy....


DSCF1713 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1717 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

While we were there I managed to get a few shots of Duncan's second Pembleton which is currently under construction.


DSCF1718 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1720 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

A standard to aim for! A few more pictures on my Flikr pages.

Robin
25 Feb 2013, 8:14pm
And its in....

Engine fitted at last. Everything went according to plan (well more or less). So I know have an Italian engine mated to a French gearbox using a British adapter. Cool.

A few pictures...

Completed engine from the front. The original ignition was fired from a pickup on the Guzzi flywheel. But of course I am now using the 2CV flywheel. Proiblem solved by using an old school analog electronic igntion from Lucas. The pickup goes on the end of the camshaft.

DSCF1727 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

And from the other end.

DSCF1729 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

It fits!

DSCF1731 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr


DSCF1732 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Lower mounting nut just fits between three cooling fins (middle one removed)

DSCF1736 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Next step - to get it started - but still a way to go yet....

Robin
10 Mar 2013, 6:06pm
I have been working towards getting the engine running. Lots of little jobs to do first.

New bracket for clutch cable. The original one that was welded to the chassis meant the clutch cable was poorly aligned and right at the end of the adjustment.

DSCF1741 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Carbs trial fitted with air filter from Ebay. Not the best of solutions but it will do to start. Neck for air filter clears chassis by at least 1mm!

DSCF1738 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Old school electronic ignition (Lucas Rita) with coils underneath. The Guzzi employs a lost spark system which means two coils.

DSCF1739 by Robin J Martin, on Flickr

Robin
11 Mar 2013, 5:07pm
Looking good Robin! :)

I'll have to let you borrow my polishing mobs to keep the engine and body work (you are polishing all that loverly hand formed aluminium, aren't you?) spick and span. ;)
11 Mar 2013, 5:42pm
That looks a lovely build!

I found a 2CV chassis already converted as a trike on Ebay a few weeks ago. I was really tempted with it as a basis for my current project but I am building a reverse trike load carrier and I doubt the 2CV brakes and suspension would be up to the weight I am expecting.

I should make one of those beading rollers at some point and fold some metal.