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Tribute to the A352?

29 Dec 2012, 11:30pm
I fooked my leg quite badly recently. I was in the process of building a Sammio G46 which is now stopped as I won't be driving three pedalled cars again. The good news is they are not amputating the foot, just fusing the ankle so while I wait for the operation I thought I would plan my next car.

Tribute did great stuf with my TVR so I keep an eye on this forum too. I love what they did in a couple of weeks with the A352. I was wondering if they could do something similar with more modern tin. Something like a BMW Z3/4 or Audi TT.

I thought they could make it more of a mishmash so they have the classic lines with most of the modern interior retained. Not sure if it would work aesthetically or practically which is why I opened it to the forum rather than approaching Tribute directly.

What do you guys reckon? Think Eagle Speedster looks and interior trim without the £500,000 price tag.

Chris, if you fancy a go then if I shift the G46 I could possibly leave a car parked down you way to play with. No rush as I don't get operated on until mid/end Jan end then another 3months after that before I can put my foot down but it would give me something to look forward to.

Z3, Z4, TT or something else?

I don't like MGFs
30 Dec 2012, 10:53am
Hi Nick,


Glad to hear you are keeping your foot.

The car build idea sounds good to me :smile: .

Z3/4's are great as every single outer panel unbolts and leaves you with a blank canvas, apart from the windscreen frame.

If I do some Photoshopping for you we will have a start point to discuss from.

Happy New Year :party:
30 Dec 2012, 11:10am
Happy New Year!

Don't bust a gut together it photoshopped up for me as I have at least another three months after the operation this month while I am none weight bearing so none driving.

I just wondered how you felt about keeping more of he modern comforts of the interior with the classic shaped exterior. I think it would work as we are not trying to create a replica but rather do an homage to he cars.

Having said that, I have been looking at a few 2.8 Z3s in the classifieds...

Z3s are more in my price range at the moment

[edit] just looked on some salvage sites and might stretch to a bashed up Z4 if that makes it easier but I am guessing you would have a bigger market for Z3 kits at the moment
30 Dec 2012, 6:58pm
WCA is this what you had in mind?
30 Dec 2012, 9:32pm
I have been thinking about a Z3 being a good base for a body conversion recently. The Windscreen and doors will probably be the stumbling blocks for a 50's 60's style vehicle although I was thinking a Z3 might work clothed in Ferrari California outwear (60's california) or with the windscreen chopped an Aston Martin Zagato spyder.:hippie:
30 Dec 2012, 9:47pm
Casamolino - hard to make out on the phone but that looks a bit Zagoto. I have always found their styling a bit heavy preferring the delicacy of Pinifarina.

This may be where I look stupid and tat is a Pinin design.

I am also looking for something without a roof.

What you show there is basically right though. Please share the source/ link

Cheers

WCA
31 Dec 2012, 12:24pm
Casamolino - still struggling to name the car, current best guess is a Maserati 450.

What is it and where did you get the outlines from please. They look useful for what I am planning
31 Dec 2012, 1:04pm
Okay, no I feel stupid. Where is the wire diagram from though?
31 Dec 2012, 1:07pm
Diagrams from Chris at Tribute , have sent you a PM , Geoff .
31 Dec 2012, 1:21pm
Z3 dimensions from Carfolio. 96.3 inches might be a bit of a stretch.


1996 BMW Z3 2.8 Automatic dimensions & weights
mm inches
wheelbase 2446 96.3
track (front) 1412 55.6
track (rear) 1430 56.3
length 4026 158.5
width 1692 66.6
height 1288 50.7
ground clearance
length:wheelbase ratio 1.65
kerb weight 1255 kg 2767 lb
weight distribution
fuel tank capacity 51.1 litres 11.2 UK Gal 13.5 US Gal
31 Dec 2012, 1:26pm
Carfolio 250 GT SWB wheelbase 2400mm 94.5" (whats 2" between friends) .
31 Dec 2012, 1:29pm
whats 2" between friends) .


The difference between Ooh and Argh according to my wife. ;-)
1 Jan 2013, 10:49pm
I am happy with the stretch in the cockpit, I am not after a replica and would quite like it not to look like it is trying to be what it isn't.

Lose the fin and I love it.

You know I have a twin hump fetish so please think about that too. Blame my uncle Bill and some Mercedes propaganda I was given in Africa.

I cannot do anything until I shift the G46 though, and am allowed to stand on my own two feet. I hope to get a operation date in the next week or so and then probably 12 weeks after that.

Given the pace you work at you will probably be at the Shanghai motor show as the third biggest car company by then. ;-)

On a serious note, I have has acouple of enquiries on the G46 so if that does go I may be able to get a Z3 which could be left with you while I recover. I know at least one other forumite who wants you to do things with a Z3 so having one to play with might help. I will let you know


Oh by the way, lower is good as long as it doesn't screw the ride and handling. I once had a TVR with interesting suspension and handling characteristics....
2 Jan 2013, 2:03pm
WorldClassAccident wrote:
I just wondered how you felt about keeping more of he modern comforts of the interior with the classic shaped exterior. I think it would work as we are not trying to create a replica but rather do an homage to he cars.
I think a slick modern interior (such as a slightly modified Z4's) could look great with a body inspired by the 60's.

Look at the Ford GT :
2 Jan 2013, 6:33pm
Tribute Automotive wrote:
The Z3 will need lowering 3-4".


Is that going to be possible/practical? From memory the Z3 has very low seat pans, maybe only 4-5 inches off the ground which would make speedbumps a nightmare.

I do very much like the idea of a modern car that looks like a D-Type though! Do you still have the original shell Chris? There are a few modern sports cars that could work, like a lotus elise or TVR Chimaera however they are a little too expensive to be used as a donor, even a banged up car would be £4-5k.
3 Jan 2013, 8:43am
Bodywork
Bodywork type Cabriolet
Length (mm) 4050
Height (mm) 1293
Width (mm) 1740
Number of seats 2
Number of doors 2
Wheelbase (mm) 2446
Track rear (mm) 1494
Track front (mm) 1413
Ground clearance (mm) 110


ground clearance = 110 mm, 4 inches = 100mm

That is going to look proper slammed!
3 Jan 2013, 9:02am
Just looking in autotrader at what is cheap, available and convertable.

The results in no particular order....

MX5
Saab 9-3
BMW 3 series
Renault Magane
Mercedes SLK
BMW Z3
MGF
3 Jan 2013, 11:26pm
GazDavies wrote:
Is that going to be possible/practical? From memory the Z3 has very low seat pans, maybe only 4-5 inches off the ground which would make speedbumps a nightmare.

I do very much like the idea of a modern car that looks like a D-Type though! Do you still have the original shell Chris? There are a few modern sports cars that could work, like a lotus elise or TVR Chimaera however they are a little too expensive to be used as a donor, even a banged up car would be £4-5k.


Hi Nick and Gaz. I'm a sucker for a slammed car :eyebrows: These give a a 90mm drop:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AP-Coilovers-BMW-Z3-1-8-2-0-2-2-Coupe-Roadster-/280547512722?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4151ef5192

That will leave a lovely big 20mm gap under the car for small gravel, flattened fag packets and the odd lolly stick that Seanick has left lying around :laugh:

But seriously, until I have a Z3 to study in person, dimensions are just an estimate.



Reference the D Type shell, we have a mould.
4 Jan 2013, 12:04am
It depends on what (body or chassis) limits the ground clearance, doesn't it?