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Mick O'Malley 27th March 2020 06:51

Back in the cave. At last
 
Yesterday, after what I see has been a three month break, I managed a little work on the Monaco. I'd been busy in the garden for the first dry days having previously been busy making and mounting two more double swift nesting boxes.

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I had to remove the earthenware house martin nest (which was a gift, but in my near quarter century here I've never seen one in this part of town) to make space. I remounted it as it contained bat droppings, so obviously a handy summer roost :).

I'd sat in the car to try out the seats and seating position late last year, and was dismayed to find that the gear stick, bent back to clear the dash, hit the steering wheel in the 3rd and 4th plane. Aaaaaaaaaargh! I first considered cutting an access hole in the side of the tunnel, a lá A352, but then hit on the idea of extending the top tunnel hole backwards.

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Suitably masked and suited, I drilled two 8mm corner holes and padsawed out a square. Utilising my advanced gynaecology skills I was able to remove the lever, clamp it in the vice, and bend the top third or so to the left using a 4' length of 1" box with an old wheel nut protecting the thread. Reassembly was straightforward, and a suitable gaiter will cover the hole.

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With a few more dry days forecast, and my enthusiasm rekindled, I'll crack on, with the re-scheduled kit car show my completion target date.

Regards, Mick

peterux 27th March 2020 08:22

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Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 103761)

With a few more dry days forecast, and my enthusiasm rekindled, I'll crack on, with the re-scheduled kit car show my completion target date.

Regads, Mick[/FONT]

Good to see you back! Nice problem solving, as usual :juggle:

Dpaz 27th March 2020 11:09

It does look good, really period. BTW What year Kit car show

Mick O'Malley 29th March 2020 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpaz
BTW What year Kit car show

Good point!

On Friday I decided to finish off the wiring to the front lights. I decided that the 1mm ally indicator brackets were too flimsy so re-made them in 3mm using the old ones as templates to ensure the rivet holes in the frame could be re-used. I 4mm pop-riveted the indicator bodies to the brackets, tested the bulbs, and mounted them. I thought about bending the brackets forwards like the old ones but realised that, as they were, they'd double as side repeaters.

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I then crimped the side and head light bulb holders to the loom and mounted the lights in their pods. Job done apart from the indicator wiring which I'll complete when I rivet on the escutchions I made - see below.

Yesterday I turned my attention to the wiring for the rear lights. I dug out the rear wings, their brackets, and the lights/indicators/reflectors. I realised that the rear escutchions would be much more difficult to fit with the wings in situ so decided to fit them first. These are cosmetic to hide the holes chopped by both myself and previous owners to clear differing rear suspensions. Tin snipping; bending; offering up; drilling and riveting ensued. These five minute jobs always take ages and I called it a day having finished one side.

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The sun's out now so down to the cave again :).

Regards, Mick

Dpaz 29th March 2020 08:50

Sun's been out our way but a few minutes and fingers are too cold for delicate work, like re-routing the rear brake pipe. Lying underneath trying to form a swage on a pipe. Too cold. wait for Summer!

froggyman 29th March 2020 16:41

Looking good. Stay safe.

Mick O'Malley 30th March 2020 07:57

Cracking On
 
Having finished the escutcheon, I decided to fit the wing and lamps. The Lucas L691 stop/tail lamps are meant to be attached using the two stubby studs on the back. These are too short for the GRP. They came (second hand) without any of the fixings for the lenses either. A bit of head scratching and I hit on the idea of long M4 bolts going through the lens holes, the lamp body, the rubbers and the wing. These I've ordered on line. I cut off the stubs and carefully opened up the holes in the lenses, only the merest amount of plastic being removed. The Lucas L488 indicators I bought new, these I'll fix to the wings with hose clips, a technique I used successfully on my Lotus S2/3 styled Westie. I bolted the wing to its bracket, and fitted both front and rear braces: it's now very rigid. I popped the lights in and was very pleased with the appearance. Finishing off the wiring will wait until both sides are ready.

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It was so cold in the windy cave that I went in for a warm up and a sarnie. Suitably refreshed I returned and started on the driver's side, but after fitting the escutchion I called it a day.

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Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 1st April 2020 07:11

Yesterday's Efforts.
 
Taking advantage of the dry weather, I fitted the driver's side rear wing and connected the front indicator wiring, after riveting on the escutchions. These needed quite a bit of fettling to get them to sit nicely, and I treated the wires to some grommets. Excuse rubbish end-of-day photo'.

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I then dug out my grille, wire brushed off the rust, and gave it a coat of Hammerite primer. If the sun comes out today I'll spray it with black stonechip and fit it. In the meantime I'll fit the front wings.

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 6th April 2020 07:17

It's starting to look like a car.
 
After three more days beavering away in the cave, I have something approaching a car. Having fitted the newly painted grille and number plate, and finished attaching and wiring the rear lights and indicators, I decided to charge and fit the battery and test my reconstituted loom. I dug out the pedal operated stop lamp switch, the only electrical item not fitted, and wired it in. Having successfully reconstituted looms for my Marlin; A352; and Lomax I was confident that all would be well from the off. Engaging the isolator switch, the dash warning lights all came on. WTF? I turned it off and had a think, suddenly realising that the dash itself, which had everything it held earthed to it, was not itself earthed. D'Oh! I jury rigged a lead straight to the -ve battery terminal and tried again. The voltmeter swung; the sidelights worked; but the indicators; horn; and headlights didn't? More head scratching and I realised that in line fuse holders and relays work so much better with fuses in them. Bingo. It all now worked as it should.

Yesterday I set to with fitting the front wings. Once the brackets were bolted through the body I balanced the wings in place, adjusting them until they appeared symmetrical. I marked one bracket bolt hole each side from beneath with Snopake. Removing them to the bench, I drilled 3mm pilot holes from the undersides, and opened them to 6mm from the other. Bolting them on and again adjusting for symmetry, I could accurately mark the other three holes each side. Once they were fitted, I felt I was now getting on the last lap, so I mounted the aero screens, rested the DCD on its manifold, and popped in the seat back for a photo' call.

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Feeling mighty pleased I called it a day. However, once night fell, I went back to the cave to play with the lights in the dark - very satisfying.

Brake and clutch hydraulics are next on the to-do list.

Regards, Mick

JG 6th April 2020 08:32

Great work, looks fab. Has an authentic vintage look and feel to it :thumb:

Bellicose 6th April 2020 09:11

Love it!

Lucky@LeMans 6th April 2020 17:21

Looking good Mick. Paint colour choice really suits the car well.
Hope there will be some events to go to later in the year !

Dpaz 6th April 2020 17:58

Brilliant! But what are you going to do when it's finished? No shows. All of a sudden food shopping seems quite appealing!

Lucky@LeMans 6th April 2020 18:15

With a bit of luck the lock down will be eased by the middle of summer. We are only just into April remember so by July perhaps ? There are still events later in the year that haven't been cancelled, fingers crossed !

peterux 6th April 2020 19:35

Looking good, Mick, well done :tea:

Paul L 7th April 2020 07:42

Coming together nicely. :cool:

Mick O'Malley 12th April 2020 07:39

Cracking On
 
The last few days I've been addressing the 1001 small five minute (Ha Ha) jobs that are outstanding. Clutch and brake bleeding help has been unavailable as the lure of Overwatch et al seems irresistible during quarantining. I fitted the brake light switch to its bracket on the pedal box, having had to order the retaining nut. It operated correctly with no adjustment needed first time. Miracle!

I then had a play with the upright section of the seat. It was a massive fiddle to manoeuvre into position, negating my wanting to use the space behind as a handy luggage/shopping etc. area. After the usual head scratching, I decided to remake it in halves. Off with the vinyl (so many staples!) and out with the saw, job done. I then decided that the driver's side should be fixed in position and the other, access side, just sitting. I then offered up the vinyl but it's not big enough to cover the new reveals down the join. Scanning what's available on Ebay, I bought more, this time heavy duty in dark brown which I thought would complement the look better than black.

I then turned my attention to the rear view mirror mounting problem. The rear deck is much higher than the scuttle so, without a windscreen on which to mount it, some sort of pedestal would be required. After gauging the height needed using a long batten and spirit level I decided on a 3mm thick ally bracket braced with the remains of the stainless rod I'd used for mounting the one on the A352. Lots of back and forth, bending; drilling; thread cutting; trial fitting and, finally, polishing and the job was done. Having a sit in to view the back wall of the cave in my handiwork I decided to fit the 'wing' mirror. Locating it as near as possible to maximise the field of view, and fine tuning the angle with it held on by the front stud only, the job was soon done. Both these mirrors are Beaulieu Autojumble purchases, the second still marked in black felt tip with the original and knocked down prices. Also visible below are the Mille Miglia and Quadrifoglio stickers that have been patiently waiting their day in my Monaco folder.

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Yesterday's final effort was to remake the ally bulge over the radiator cap, which protrudes through the bonnet. I decided against the angular folded style of my first effort - the result to be revealed :).

This picture appeared this morning on my Moss Owners' FB feed. It's Fiat Twin Cam powered on '66 MkII Spitfire underpinnings. Nice!

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Off to do battle down the sunny cave now :).

Regards, Mick

peterux 12th April 2020 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 103862)
The last few days I've been addressing the 1001 small five minute (Ha Ha) jobs that are outstanding.

That made me laugh this morning, but you are so right. Nice work on that central mirror plinth, looks just right for the car. :thumb:

Mick O'Malley 13th April 2020 07:32

Yesterday's Efforts
 
First job in the cave yesterday was to rivet on the MkII radiator filler cap bulge. I'd passed on doing it the previous afternoon as I know how good I am at cocking things up when I'm tired. I'm reasonably satisfied by the result, especially when comparing it to its predecessor.

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I then decided to fill and bleed the clutch hydraulics as my live-in son was available. With the off side jacked up and an axle stand in place, I could just about worm my way underneath. I softened the end of the bleeding tube :rolleyes: in very hot water and worked it over the nipple, which I'd fitted in the upper of the two tappings on the cylinder so that gravity would assist in purging air. Not that easy with the copper pipe in the way. I'd given both end nuts a final tighten as I'd not made up hydraulic pipe before, and was unsure if my flares would be OK. Five minutes with my son sat in the car and we had a pedal, and no leaks :). The down side? After three years the driven plate isn't releasing, but, if experience is anything to go by, it'll free itself after the engine heat's done its bit a few times.

I then dug out the last of the 1"x1"x1/8" aluminium angle I'd scavenged when the pet supplies shop around the corner closed - it was the surround of its sign. I cut and cleaned two suitable lengths and Sikaflexed them to the floor to prevent the seat squabs from moving forwards. I'd done this on my Marlin to good effect. The heat in the cave was now tropical so I called it a day.

I'm a member of the 'Homebuilt Cars From Scratch Or Kits' group on FB and my hero, one Howard Baker, yesterday posted his latest sublime efforts towards his scratch built Auto Union C Type evocation. Another of his followers posted this video which had me itching to get down the cave and crack on. Skip to 1.56 to get to the highly inspirational meat - max volume and cans required :).

Regards, Mick

Mister Towed 13th April 2020 08:37

Awesome car!

The Auto Union in the video isn't bad, either. :)

Mick O'Malley 24th April 2020 07:33

The French are mad for Monacos!
 
Remember this?

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It turned up the other day in my Moss Owners FB feed. They don't hang about!

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Regards, Mick

Dpaz 24th April 2020 11:30

That is lovely. I notice the grill has changed. They really are a fun motor and unlike some kit cars, they are wide open to your own interpretation. Years ago there was a Green one parked at the side of a big house near Norcott Brook Nr Warrington. I kept meaning to call but never did, then it was gone.

Lucky@LeMans 24th April 2020 14:08

Very good example. I wouldn't change much on that other than the front indicators and maybe some proper wire wheels with skinny tyres !

It wouldn't be too much of a challenge to build an aluminium version of the classic cigar shape racers. A simple wooden frame with aluminium wrapped over. Maybe a GRP nose section with a period looking grill inserted, lots of options with the rebody concept.

Mick O'Malley 5th May 2020 06:31

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
 
Lulworth Equipe Austin 7 Special.

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Regards, Mick

Dpaz 5th May 2020 08:13

Oh! I want that, a lot! Please tell us about it. I love the rear facing sidelights for reversing lights.

Mick O'Malley 6th May 2020 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpaz (Post 104115)
Oh! I want that, a lot! Please tell us about it. I love the rear facing sidelights for reversing lights.

The pictures and name are all that I have. It popped up on my 50s & 60s Special Builders feed on FB. Sorry.

Regards, Mick

Dpaz 6th May 2020 08:02

That's how it was done in the '50s & '60s. often using metal electrical conduit pipe. My uncle built a very nice special, MG ish but Triumph based. All done with hand tools no welder, no electric tools, and proper rivets, hand drilled and set! With all the inexpensive power tools and access to fittings we have now, it makes it easy. There weren't many regs then either.

bladerunner 6th May 2020 15:31

I found this link today which I thought was appropriate for this post http://http://www.speedseven.co.uk/p...ry/bodyshells/
It looks a bit like a Hamblin copy but not sure. There is a Facebook page as well. Seems a bit pricey at £2500 just for a body!f

Dpaz 6th May 2020 18:07

I think you are right, it does look like a Hamblin cadet. But I don't think the Lulworth is a Hamblin. Speedseven are not cheap but specialists very rarely are. I have a Ser1 Landrover and the price of bits for them is ridiculous. I still fancy a Seven special rebuild. I had a Ruby in the early '60s a good looker ran well, MOT'd and cost £5!

Mick O'Malley 29th May 2020 06:43

Nibbling Away...
 
Not a huge deal of progress since my last build focused post. I'd noticed when studying an exploded diagram of the 28/36 DCD that some tiny parts (whose function is a mystery) were missing. I ordered these from my old friends Pierce Manifolds in California. When they arrived there was a 93p customs charge and an £8 handling fee - almost as much as the parts cost. I fitted them, mounted the carb., connected the throttle cable and realised that I'd not made provision for the cockpit end of the choke cable. Pondering its location made me realise just how ugly my high-level dash was. After more head scratching I decided to re-mount it at its original level - as if I didn't have enough to do!

I'd originally raised it as I'd neglected to factor in the steering column's position, which clashed with the 100mm Spitfire tacho. After some careful measuring I hit on replacing it with an 80mm one. As ever, cardboard assisted design resulted in this masterpiece :rolleyes: .

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It's now been transferred to ally sheet and is awaiting the Smiths tacho. I won on Ebay. This cost me about half the price of a new one, which would have cost about £160.

In the meantime I've made up the Bundy pipes which fit on the Spitfire 1500 backplates. I only realised these were needed when I offered up the flexi hoses I'd bought, which were too short, bought the correct ones in stainless, and found their outboard ends weren't of the screw into the cylinder style. Study of exploded diagrams put me right - every day is a day at school!

The only other result I've achieved was getting a very local bloke to weld the extension into my inner steering column, which is now fitted.

Regards, Mick

Lucky@LeMans 29th May 2020 08:47

Looking good Mick, you'll soon be on the road. I always enjoy the challenge of the final fitting of various components to get the car just how you want it. Can be a bit frustrating at times but the finished job is always rewarding !

Mick O'Malley 7th June 2020 07:49

Blast From The Past
 
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Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 85714)
Bit of a non-sequitur, but yesterday, whilst searching though my mountain of kit car photo's for Monaco ones, I found this.

I'd not long finished the blue Phaeton II, 1300 Triumph powered, when the grey one came to my notice. I paid £350. It was Ford 1700 V4 powered. This engine earned a few bob at the scrap merchants, all it was good for, to be replaced by a 1300 X-Flow and passed on to a club member. He completed it, had it sprayed, and promptly wrote it off.

My friend's red Phaeton started life in black with 1300 Triumph power, in the incarnation pictured it had a 1500 Triumph. He then painted in in Marlboro Mclaren dayglo and white and installed a 2500 Ford V6. We went to Le Mans in it in '91, blowing a half shaft on the way back. Its fourth and final incarnation was in BRG with a yellow centre stripe and a 3500 Rover V8. I took it round Castle Combe and can confirm it was a rocket. I'll post more pictures if I find any.

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Regards, Mick

This appeared on ebay a few days ago. I'm tempted to take up the 'Make Offer' option, bidding what I paid for it back in '89 - £80 :).

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I brush painted it from its original yellow with Ripcerol left over from my first Phaeton above. I swapped it for yet another Phaeton which I fitted with a Rover V8. Happy Days.

Regards, Mick


Mister Towed 7th June 2020 12:25

Eighty quid? That wasn't much money even back then. It did look nicer in blue and it's perhaps a little pricey, but who knows, if someone really wants it they might just pay the price.

Have you contacted the seller?

Mick O'Malley 8th June 2020 05:16

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 104419)
Eighty quid? That wasn't much money even back then. It did look nicer in blue and it's perhaps a little pricey, but who knows, if someone really wants it they might just pay the price.

Have you contacted the seller?

I neglected to mention that when I bought it in Worcester, the vendor had T-Boned someone and written off one side of the front. He was still limping. I cut off the front of the frame, got my welder to replicate it straight, and got a friend in the trade to weld it on. This all cost £120, so £200 was the real figure.

I know the vendor quite well. He lives in Australia (but is Covid quarantined over here) and we corresponded at some length prior to his visiting me a few years ago when he was over here. I gave him the original grille and 8" steering wheel which had lurked in my shed for decades, and quite a bit of guff I'd amassed, including a letter from Tim Dutton offering to buy it from me for scrap. I also passed on the transparencies I'd obtained from the original owner, whom I'd tracked down and corresponded with. The advert picture with the camper van is from one of them. The vendor also owns the green one.

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I know chapter and verse on these cars from my Dutton years, during some of which I edited the club magazine. I could tell you a lot more about KPX594J but it's stuff I won't commit to print.

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 10th June 2020 08:08

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 103081)
The type 12 caliper is held together with 2 bolts. The type 14 with 4. So it looks like yours are type 14.

Cheers Robin

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! In February, armed with my recently acquired 'four bolt' fact, I bought a pair of Type14 callipers from ANG, a really good concern I've used many times :). When they arrived I put the unopened box in the shed to await brake-time.

Having finished those at the rear, I last week jacked up the front, took off the wheels and wire brushed and emery'd the discs. I'd kept the brand new pads and the fixings gubbins, which I cleaned up ready for assembling into my new toys. I removed one from its packing and offered up a pad. WTF! The pad is way too big for the calliper! A little internet research revealed that my old callipers are Type 16 to match my (unbeknown to me) Vitesse/GT6 front suspension. I've been in touch with ANG and, once they've received the Type 14s and verified their unmolested state, we can sort out my latest SNAFU. Criticism of Robin's helpful advice is neither warranted nor intended, I simply should have noticed the big fat discs and thick anti roll bar, and the penny would have dropped!

Regards, Mick

Mister Towed 10th June 2020 08:28

Ahh, the joys of working with half a century old donors.

At least you're getting them replaced with no fuss.

Mick O'Malley 11th June 2020 08:39

80mm Tacho
 
The last lap of my dash saga has been trying, this car has fought me every inch of the way, but hopefully I'm almost there. I transferred the outline of my card template to ally, cut it out and carefully relieved the tacho. hole until it just fitted with a slight push. Next job was to rivet the plate to the existing, the steering column and padded Mole Grips holding it. My usual pop-rivet overkill soon had it in place. As its wiring differs from that of the Triumph impulse item it replaced, a little creative bodging of the relevant ends of the loom was needed, but this turned out not too untidily.

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I'm going to have to dream up a bracket for the floating left hand end of the dash - the body seems to have changed shape slightly since pre-paint days - and fit a couple more fixing bolts where I've marked with black dots. Although it looks as though the steering wheel might mask the view of the tacho., the high seating position makes it perfectly visible, up to the 7,000 RPM mark, so not going to be a problem. The wavy line gear stick clears both the dash and the steering wheel, which I've embellished with my '82 vintage DOC badge as I regard the DOC as my kit-car spiritual home. The hideous butchering of the coaming moulding (guilty) will need some cosmetic treatment some time.

Once my Type16 callipers arrive I can fit them and bleed the system, then all that's left is covering the seats, sending off my V627, and getting the engine running. How I feel at the moment, I'll probably take her around the block once then immediately sell her to Marcel or whoever, time will tell...

Regards, Mick

Paul L 13th June 2020 05:15

Mick - Hopefully, your first drive in the Monaco will make all the grief it has given you seem worth it.

Good luck, Paul. :)

Mick O'Malley 14th June 2020 07:20

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Originally Posted by Paul L (Post 104473)
Mick - Hopefully, your first drive in the Monaco will make all the grief it has given you seem worth it.

Good luck, Paul. :)

Thanks Paul, I certainly hope so. I'm thinking of calling her 'Quarantine Special' after the car owner virus...

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 4th July 2020 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 104430)
A little internet research revealed that my old callipers are Type 16 to match my (unbeknown to me) Vitesse/GT6 front suspension. I've been in touch with ANG and, once they've received the Type 14s and verified their unmolested state, we can sort out my latest SNAFU.

ANG, to their credit, refunded the purchase price, helpfully pointing out that there are two types of Type 16 callipers. The chief difference being the thread for the flexi hose - later models being metric. Making double treble sure this time that I knew what I needed (Imperial threads) I sourced them from Jumblemaster, ANG only having the metric ones in stock. They arrived, together with pad mounting kits, yesterday :).

Over the last couple of weeks, when weather permitted, I got her started for the first time. At first she ran very roughly so I cleaned the carb. again and re-flushed the supply pipe. She now runs only fairly roughly :rolleyes:. The second hand 28/36 DCD I bought was jetted (according to the vendor) for a 1500cc pre-cross flow Kent. Reading my 13/6d Triple C Weber Carburettors booklet revealed that it's unwise to assume that any old 1500cc engine will require similar jets, so further research is required. Watch this space.

Regards, Mick


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