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Patrick 10th October 2012 13:28

Low mileage box would be good, I get the feeling the one in the sportster is a bit tired - its a shame the m50's are at a different angle or I could get something much newer. 6 speed would be nice :D

peterux 10th October 2012 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 36023)
Low mileage box would be good, I get the feeling the one in the sportster is a bit tired - its a shame the m50's are at a different angle or I could get something much newer. 6 speed would be nice :D

I've not tried but I wonder if it's possible to swap the bell hosing from an e30 'box to an M52 'box. The 'transmission' bit might be the same??

For example only.....

http://www.e12m535i.com/BMW_E12/myM5...al/tranny7.JPG

Maybe a six speed gearbox in a Sportster is possible :madgrin:

...peter

peterux 15th October 2012 14:17

Following a reorganisation, my Sabre build photo's can now be found here.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peters-...7631773855356/

...peter

peterux 18th October 2012 18:48

Week 8 update......

I've finished off mating the BMW pedal box to the MBM servo. It seems to work well with the stroke of the pedal box matching the servo travel. This is probably as far as I can go without mounting it in the car so it will now be shelved and fitted later.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8...71c7176e77.jpg
Pedal box connection by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I also grabbed a bargain Flo-flex diff mount that was on offer at half price!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8...5b512a8f5c.jpg
Poly diff. mount by marlinpeter, on Flickr

Then on to further dismantling of the Sabre bodywork.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8...7ff9635bab.jpg
Front bodywork removed by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8187/8...3116acebf3.jpg
Rear wings removed by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I've run out of space in my lock up so all those body parts were taken home. Washed, wrapped and stored in the garden shed. All the bright work, catches and hinges have been removed.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8...a40dcbfef2.jpg
Cleaned body parts by marlinpeter, on Flickr

Apart from the passenger side door and the boot lid, the remaining bodywork/central tub is all one piece so will require extra space before it can be removed......

...peter

peterux 24th October 2012 15:54

Week 9 has seen some rapid and dramatic changes to the car. In only about 1.5 days work I was able to finish removing the bodywork and most of the front suspension.

Firstly, I finished removing the passenger door and the boot flap followed by the internal 'A' post supports and approx. 10 bolts holding the body tub to the chassis.
You have to disconnect the handbrake from the cables which was dead simple as this plate just unbolted from the top without having to crawl under the car.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8...da142cda62.jpg
Handbrake mounting by marlinpeter, on Flickr

Next, my two sons and I lifted the whole body tub and have stored it above the rolling chassis.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8474/8...82933c5834.jpg
Out of body experience by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8...811a9562cb.jpg
Body off! by marlinpeter, on Flickr

My original plan was to rebuild the trolley I used when I built my Sportster and mount the chassis on the trolley so that I can move the chassis in and out of the garage. Luckily the wheels are still in the back of the garden shed. But then it occurred to me that I could work on the front suspension, remove it all, refurbish it at home and then re-fit it to move the chassis around and then do the back end, simples!! So that's the plan and I saved a day or two building another trolley. I'll clean, de-rust and repaint the chassis in two sections.

So I set to work with the spanners and removed the front suspension.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8043/8...44071e8bc9.jpg
Front brakes, hubs, etc by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8...12b65eb2f8.jpg
Front wishbones by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8051/8...2e315efa32.jpg
Front suspension gone! by marlinpeter, on Flickr

About three hours later it was all in pieces in the back of my Rover estate.

I've now got a backlog of parts to be cleaned up, de-rusted, refurbished and re-painted.

...peter

P.S. the only reason for that old Ford gearbox and the gash BMW engine still being in the chassis is that I've run out of space and if I remove them, I have nowhere to put them. So they're staying there out of harms way for now :lol:

froggyman 27th October 2012 22:57

Hi, have been following your thread with inerest and saw this one at the Exeter Show today.
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...Oct2012020.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...Oct2012019.jpg

peterux 28th October 2012 08:03

Hi Froggy,

That is indeed a fine example!!
The bright winter sunshine and the reflections show up the quality of the bodywork and paint finish.

thanks for posting the pics :thumb:

...peter

seanick 28th October 2012 19:26

Its so reserved. One of the few kits that really does not look like a kit. Im loving those steel wheels too, and the triple wipers.
What plans for your wheels Peter?

peterux 28th October 2012 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanick (Post 36781)
Its so reserved. One of the few kits that really does not look like a kit. Im loving those steel wheels too, and the triple wipers.
What plans for your wheels Peter?

I'm a long way off choosing my wheels but I do like the look of the steel wheels. Colour coded steels can look very smart and I've already picked up a set of old chrome hub caps of that well known auction site. But SWMBO likes wire wheels, so we'll have to wait and see what budget is left.
The steel wheels on this car are particularly nice. Anyone know what they are? Maybe German 'winter tyre' rims?

peterux 1st November 2012 09:35

Week 10 update.....

Not much to see this week despite putting a good two days work. I've been dismantling and cleaning up the front suspension components. Lots of work but not much to show :sad:

The Royale ball joint adaptors have been de-rusted and cleaned up ready for some paint. These were never painted by the original builder so some some corrosion pitting is evident. These fit in the top of the Sierra front hubs and then take a Metro type ball joint.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8...eb8babe377.jpg
Front upright ball joint adaptors by marlinpeter, on Flickr

The front hubs have been dismantled, cleaned and are being painted. New bearings will be fitted after paint has hardened fully.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8...15bf179e64.jpg
Front hubs by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I've got two sets of new bearings sitting in their boxes ready to be installed.

Hopefully more to see next week....

...peter

MartinClan 1st November 2012 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterux (Post 36787)
I'm a long way off choosing my wheels but I do like the look of the steel wheels. Colour coded steels can look very smart and I've already picked up a set of old chrome hub caps of that well known auction site. But SWMBO likes wire wheels, so we'll have to wait and see what budget is left.
The steel wheels on this car are particularly nice. Anyone know what they are? Maybe German 'winter tyre' rims?

Wire wheels do look great but, as many of the Pembleton owners have found, they can mess up the handling big time because of the increase in unsprung weight - especially if you are having to use an adapter rather than an original splined hub. (Could be a good excuse not to be persuaded by the SWMBO :icon_lol:)

Robin

peterux 1st November 2012 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 36971)
Wire wheels do look great but, as many of the Pembleton owners have found, they can mess up the handling big time because of the increase in unsprung weight - especially if you are having to use an adapter rather than an original splined hub. (Could be a good excuse not to be persuaded by the SWMBO :icon_lol:)

Robin

Thanks Robin, I had not heard that before. Maybe it's more significant on a very light vehicle like the Pembleton.

Septy 6th November 2012 11:56

Hi there

Following your story with interest. I have an option to buy one of these cars however it currently has an automatic gearbox (ford 2.8 i) Would it be possible to fit a chevy small block, would it be too big or too heavy??

Cheers......Geoff

peterux 6th November 2012 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septy (Post 37208)
Hi there

Following your story with interest. I have an option to buy one of these cars however it currently has an automatic gearbox (ford 2.8 i) Would it be possible to fit a chevy small block, would it be too big or too heavy??

Cheers......Geoff

Hi Geoff,

I've not heard of any Sabres with a chevy block but I think I have seen one advertised with a Rover V8 engine. I don't think the weight would be an issue as the Sabre chassis is extremely strong and the whole car is quite substantial.

You could try contacting someone at the Royale Owners Club, they are a very helpful bunch :smile:
http://www.royaleownersclub.org.uk/committee.asp
Ken Baker is their memsec and very knowledgeable.

Keep us posted if you decide to buy one.

...peter

peterux 8th November 2012 21:14

Well week 11 update seems to be all about new parts.

It's a bit of a long story but when I bought the Sabre the guy selling it said he had a box of new parts that would be included. The problem was that when it came to delivering the car he couldn't remember where the box of stuff was. It's taken a long time but finally I picked up the box of bits yesterday.

I took the big box home and it was like a Christmas tombola as I gradually pulled out each small package to discover what I had. When the box was empty I had nearly covered our kitchen table with lights, trim and all kinds of fittings and spare parts. It will probably save me a few hundred pounds in the rebuild.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8344/8...5c1fab0e_c.jpg
Santas grotto? by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/8...8dc7716c_c.jpg
Santas grotto by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/8...c8f7592c_c.jpg
Santas grotto? by marlinpeter, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8210/8...ccd8a4c8_c.jpg
Santas grotto? by marlinpeter, on Flickr

He also had a new'ish petrol tank which will replace the bent one on the car.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8483/8...2482bc00_c.jpg
Replacement fuel tank by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I also picked up on ebay a reconditioned power steering rack for only 24!!
I've now got to find some pipes and hoses which will probably cost more than the rack!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8...c71876d1_c.jpg
Power Steering rack by marlinpeter, on Flickr

...and finally I've got some extra space with another rented lock-up....

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8198/8...222c04d8_c.jpg
Space - the final frontier? by marlinpeter, on Flickr

So now I should be able move around the chassis in the other lock-up!

...peter

P.S. If you click on the pictures, I have annotated the 'table' pictures with notes in Flickr

peterux 16th November 2012 10:53

Week 12 - mini update.....
  • Front suspension coil-overs have been dismantled for inspection.
  • Front hub bearings fitted and hubs re-assembled (Metro ball joint socket and a 32mm deep socket are ideal sizes for re-inserting the Sierra bearings)
  • Front cross member cleaned and ready for painting
  • Chassis stripped of gearbox, propshaft and old pipes ready for preparation


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8341/8...0809c449_z.jpg
Chassis - front by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I'm thinking of getting some new dampers.
Anyone got any feedback on the following company?
http://www.protechshocks.co.uk/

...peter

Mike 16th November 2012 14:03

That sure is a substantial chassis! - and beautifully made - particularly the front cross member.

Have you asked Protech if they make dampers for vehicles this big!!!

MartinClan 16th November 2012 14:37

That's the make that Phil Gregory supplies for the Pembleton. They are certainly well made and seem to do the job (Pembleton is a bit lighter though lol)

Robin

peterux 16th November 2012 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 37520)
That sure is a substantial chassis! - and beautifully made - particularly the front cross member.

Have you asked Protech if they make dampers for vehicles this big!!!

It weighs a 'ton'.
I thought the Marlin chassis was substantial until I got this one!!

peterux 16th November 2012 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinClan (Post 37521)
That's the make that Phil Gregory supplies for the Pembleton. They are certainly well made and seem to do the job (Pembleton is a bit lighter though lol)

Robin

Thanks Robin. An online search hasn't thrown up any negative feedback so far. A little bit more expensive than standard GAZ dampers but cheaper than AVO and they look nicer :-)


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