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Paul L 19th May 2013 07:27

AndyP85 - I think Froggyman is referring to building the kit's body shell itself, rather than "just" * putting the kit together.

Anyway, I'm meant to be somewhere else, so got to go, Paul. :)

* And we all know there is no "just" involved. :icon_wink:

Viatron 19th May 2013 08:05

i dont think anyone who is building a Sammio is "just" putting the kit together!!!! hopefully the Ribble version should be somewhat simpler!

Mister Towed 19th May 2013 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viatron (Post 43557)
i dont think anyone who is building a Sammio is "just" putting the kit together!!!! hopefully the Ribble version should be somewhat simpler!

Simpler? Simpler? No no no.

OK, it might be nice if one or two things fitted a bit better, like the internal frame, but where's the challenge if any Tom Dick or Jeremy could bolt one together in a weekend?

The people building these 'kits' all have one thing in common - we understand that we've bought a low priced, basic package that we need to add value to with our imagination and mechanical skills. Good luck to those who want the car and can pay someone to build it for them, but the average customer will relish the process of building it more than they desire the finished article imho.

Mine's taken two years of tinkering to get it the way I want it and I wouldn't have it any other way. Improve quality by all means, but leave simpler to the Caterham crowd.

On the other hand, I suppose if you want to sell to a wider market you could make it simpler. Sniff.

AndyP85 19th May 2013 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viatron (Post 43557)
i dont think anyone who is building a Sammio is "just" putting the kit together!!!! hopefully the Ribble version should be somewhat simpler!

Trust me it is (for the Navigator and the new frame for the Pilot should make things easier) Mr T :biggrin:

AndyP57 19th May 2013 11:25

With you all the way T. Simpler isn't really the right description of what we want to do with the kits. More a process of getting it 'right' so when you receive a frame, there's a good chance of it fitting. When you get a body shell, there is an acceptable level of symmetry and the options such as doors (once designed) shouldn't present a year of head scratching.

Sure, there will be work to do and we're aiming fair and squarely at the budget end of the market but you should end up working with the kit and not fighting it. 'Phoenix', our first Navigator demonstrator, is being built from the kit as it will be supplied so we can have the experience of building it as a customer would and, if necessary, tweaking the design so subsequent kits will have problems removed. We are lucky in having a guy like Mac (Viatron) as the first customer of the new kit who understands this process and is actively helping us get it right.

Viatron 19th May 2013 11:52

Towed, notice i also said "somewhat simpler" not simple! by the nature of what it is it will always be a more involved proces than assembling a seven alike from a kit for example.

Viatron 22nd May 2013 07:00

Well was booked to be in Sunderland on Monday but customer called at 07:00 as i was ab
Out to set off to tell me that they had no power so a free Day and as the cancellation was less than 24 hours i was being paid as well! What do do with my time......
Since finishing work on the Navigator buck one glaring issue has annoyed me so i took
My life and a cutting disc in my hand and got stuck in.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...2525207_56.jpg

Mister Towed 22nd May 2013 07:22

Which glaring issue would that be then?

Viatron 22nd May 2013 07:36

Dont lnow if it exists on previous cordites or whether its just as a result of the state of the moulds or the modifications done to the moulds but the Passenger rear quarter needed moving back a fair bit.

garyh 22nd May 2013 07:45

Very neatly cut.

AndyP57 22nd May 2013 07:46

And, as a result, which will soon be seen in full, pictorially, the end product is MUCH better than before with a good degree of symmetry, cockpit shape and finish. Can't wait to see the first shell out of the new mould :biggrin:

Viatron 22nd May 2013 07:51

Took some time taping the cut line to make the job as painless as possible, good job too as the cut was over 8 foot long!

Paul L 22nd May 2013 18:50

At this rate I'm not sure I want to see how much work you put into getting the body "straight". :icon_wink:

I think I will just need to learn to live with a "wonky" body shell. :rolleyes:

Although at least when you document the changes I will know it is not my imagination that things don't line up.

Jokes aside, I am looking forward to seeing this finished. :cool:

Good luck, Paul. :)

Viatron 25th May 2013 08:43

Just waiting to load the buck, its getting a final polish before loading
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u.../IMG_00655.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1.../IMG_00656.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p.../IMG_00657.jpg

The different shades of red make for an interesting finish but being a buck it doesn't matter as long as its shiny

Paul L 25th May 2013 22:00

It is all looking very good.

I really like the deep lip that runs around the rear cockpit. :cool:

Keep up posted, Paul. :)

Viatron 27th May 2013 08:09

Saturday was a bit like the curates egg, good in parts.....
Managed to empty the tater storage parts bin onto the floor, 3 hours of going through it and everything i want to keep is now on shelving and thie rest is ready for the scrap man. Also meant i could get the tater box out of the workshop which as its approx 6 foot long buy 4 foot wide and 4 foot tall made a big difference in the space available, also meant i got to play with the forklift which is always good :-)

Bad bit was that i was hoping to fit the inlet and exhaust manifolds using my shiny new stainless steel head studs, wasn't to be though. The engine was built by a Triumph tuning specialist near me and part of the job was to use a brand new Triumph 1500 FWD head i got off eBay as it has bigger valves as standard and being brand new already had brand new valves and guides etc. only problem is that the tapped holes for the manifold studs are bigger than the spitfire ones so if anyone wants a set of stainless head studs with allen keyed ends for easy fitting on the cheap drop me a pm. I think i have identified the studs i need now though so should hopefully have them for next weekend.

Did manage to touch up the blue grey engine block paintwork though as moving it outside revealed a few areas that needed work, also got the water pump housing blasted in our new monster blasting cabinet and got it painted and a brand new water pump fitted that i found during the parts sorting exercise forgot to take pictures though unfortunately. Dave made a start on blasting the thermostat cover but it became apparent we were wasting our time as it was like a colander once blasted so will have to see if new ones are available.

I was going to cut down a distributer to fill the hole in the block as i am running a distributor less ignition system but have decided that it s too much work for no real benefit so made a start on cleaning one of the ones found in the tater box and will just fit it with no HT leads as a dummy.

And the biggest news of the day is that the buck finally left the body shop and is now at the laminators ready for him to make a start on the new moulds.....

Viatron 1st June 2013 17:37

Went up the workshop today and got a few bits and bobs done in between working on the GTA
1. fitted the rear shock top mount bolts that arrived last week.
2. fitted my new manifold studs and managed to get the exhaust and inlet manifolds fitted
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k.../IMG_00673.jpg
3. finished painting my freshly blasteed water pump housing including painting the pully black.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V.../IMG_00674.jpg
Got some time off next week so hopefully will make some more progress.
TTFN

Viatron 5th June 2013 12:28

fell across these on ebay, they are actually vespa rear lights and would almost definately need a pedestal making to mount them on but am quite taken with the period look and neatness, they combine stop tail and idicator all in one unit. any thoughts or comments?

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Vespa...,mQ~~60_12.JPG

Viatron 5th June 2013 12:39

just getting a few bits done this week before im off to the smoke for a month implementing an academy project. Our new (to us) giant blasting cabinet combined with the correct media (crushed garnet) is making the cleaning up of old parts a real pleasure. The dynamo pulley and fan were a generous donation from Rob (Oxford1360), thanks very much mate they have cleaned up a treat.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8.../IMG_00685.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d.../IMG_00686.jpg

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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m.../IMG_00688.jpg

Mister Towed 5th June 2013 12:42

Love the Vespa tail lights. Are you planning to mount them with the indicator to the side or on top?

oxford1360 5th June 2013 12:43

Looking good. What the freak is going to be bolted to the inlet manifold? A big Weber?

garyh 5th June 2013 13:08

I looked at these a while back, they may look too big x2? I'm still not sure whether to use my Taxi ones... just didn't want the same as everybody else.

Viatron 5th June 2013 13:20

initial thought is to the top i think, hadnt actually thought about mounting them sideways.........

Viatron 5th June 2013 13:36

Rob, single DCOE 45....

Viatron 5th June 2013 13:40

And a coat of etch primer and gloss black later:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J.../IMG_00690.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_00691.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v.../IMG_00692.jpg

Viatron 5th June 2013 13:42

and a before and after shot just for the hell of it:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2.../IMG_00693.jpg

oxford1360 5th June 2013 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viatron (Post 44201)
Rob, single DCOE 45....

A lovely sound as it slurps air.

Viatron 5th June 2013 14:01

and hopefully small children and passing cycilists :-)

Viatron 6th June 2013 11:18

As I am running a NODIZ distributor less ignition system I don't actually need a distributor and my initial plan was to machine the bottom off a distributor and fit a bearing but a bit of research revealed that this would be a bit of a job and I have therefore decided to keep the distributor less all bit not required as a very large and fancy blanking plug! Obviously the major reason of not just plugging the hole is that the oil pump is indirectly driven by the distributor. So I stripped a spare distributor down to its bare bones and gave it a clean:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o.../IMG_00694.jpg

but then realised that with all the ancillary stuff removed it was full of holes that would allow water ingress. sat and pondered this for a bit and even considered welding some plates in but eventually decided on the easy option, 3 wraps of quite thick Aluminium self adhesive tape later:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q.../IMG_00695.jpg

Followed by a coat of etch primer
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y.../IMG_00696.jpg

And a coat of black again:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4.../IMG_00698.jpg

Couldn't find the clips that hold the dizzy cap on anywhere so I used PU adhesive to glue one on, once its full set I will then drill a small hole so I can occasionally dribble a little oil in to keep the bearing running nicely, also fill the plug holes in the top of the cap with PU so that water couldn't collect in them.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N.../IMG_00697.jpg

Also got my dynamo mounting brackets from the spitfire graveyard yesterday so spent 20 minutes this morning blasting and painting them so I could get the dynamotor fitted
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k.../IMG_00699.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y.../IMG_00700.jpg

now waiting for a Rimmers and Canleys order to show up today so I can crack on and get the rear brakes 100% done and the dizzy fitted as I discovered that I was missing the drive gear and pin between the dizzy and the oil pump

oxford1360 6th June 2013 11:26

I could have included the dynamo bracket!

All looks very nice.

Viatron 6th June 2013 20:09

Didnt even think to ask mate! Thanks anyway

phil9 7th June 2013 07:13

very nice work can not wait to see body work on top job..

Viatron 7th June 2013 15:35

Another day in the workshop,
Finished reconditioning the last remaining pedal so all three are now nice and clean, blasted painted and rebushed.
Managed to get my water pump fitted even though the thermostat cover bolt holes were too small as were the bolts than Canley supplied, luckily I had some the right size and length and 5 minutes on the pillar drill had the holes opened up, also fitted a new stat.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_00707.jpg


Also fitted the new stainless flexi lines to front brakes and made up 2 more for the rear as the ones in the kit were, in my opinion, about 2 " too short.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-u.../IMG_00702.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6.../IMG_00703.jpg

Remembered just in time to fit the new rubber boots to the rear slave cylinders before I did the flexi's!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q.../IMG_00704.jpg

A dig through the parts boxes eventually did turn up the distributor to oil pump drive gear so if anyone needs one I have a used but good one arriving from Rimmers today... So learned my lesson, dig deeper in the boxes, it did allow me to get the distributor fitted though so that's a step forward.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b.../IMG_00705.jpg

Just tomorrow left then there will be a bit of a lull as I'm away during the week for the next month and next Saturday am going solo on granddaughter babysitting....GULP...nappies.....GULP!

Plan for tomorrow is to get the rear brakes 100% signed of including the handbrake cable that links the 2 sides, get the inlet manifold drilled and tapped for the rose joints that form part of the lnkage mechanism and then get the inlet and exhaust manifolds permanently fitted. Hopefully I will also have a fan belt the right size as well. Last job on the list is to reaffix the front to rear brake line as it has to be lowered to clear the Ribble frame and I would also like to get the fuel pump and fuel line installed as well. If I have any time left I will try to make a blanking plate for the fuel pump hole and adapt it so I can mount the new style modern coil to it, fingers crossed!

TTFN

Paul L 7th June 2013 20:54

You build is coming together nicely Mac. :cool:

Viatron 7th June 2013 21:03

Cheers Paul, just a bit bummed i now have a 2 week break with no oil under my fingernails :-(

Viatron 8th June 2013 17:05

Well started out with the best of intentions today, got the front to rear brake line relocated and the fuel line from front to rear in place. Got the manifold drilled for the roase joints but will have to tap it on the car as i got round to finally finish mounting the manifolds permanently.
Picked up a fan belt 2 inches shorter........it now needs to be 1 inch longer...grrrr.
Started finishing off the rear brakes and totally failed as the quality of the brake shoe hold down kit from rimmers was absolutely appaling, the smal cup washers were made of cheese and once fitted to the first side the pins totally pulled straight through the cup washer as soon as the shoe was moved even slightly. Has anyone got a recomendation for a supplier of these that havent been made in china or india for 2p a set? Also thinking of replacing them totally with set screws and washers but reuse the springs? Anyone done this?

AndyP57 8th June 2013 17:58

Hi Mac. I've had similar problems with those washers and ended up putting the originals back on. Replacing the pin and washer with bolt and nylocs does sound like a good idea and one I'll probably use next time. Sounds like your rebuild is otherwise going very well.

Mister Towed 8th June 2013 18:16

The set I bought was of decent quality. Trouble is I can't remember whether they came from Canleys or Rimmers...

Viatron 8th June 2013 18:17

Just ordered a set from a vendor in Telford that sells the genuine girling ones, unfortunately i dont have any old ones but the picture of the girling ones look much more substantial so fingers crossed they will do the job

Viatron 20th June 2013 20:44

Well i think I've got it bad!

http://youtu.be/fqiYhwTk0nk


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