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redratbike 29th August 2015 09:51

The angle is easier on the eye then the step and doesn't interfere with the cars lions as much

Paul L 29th August 2015 12:11

Roadster, Rene & RedRatBike - Thanks for all the feedback, comments & suggestions, I really appreciate it. :cool:

The step in the bonnet opening is linked to me trying to fix more than one problem at the same time.

Originally, the Cordite body shell was supplied with an integrated bulkhead.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...L/DSCF8459.jpg

I cut this fibreglass bulkhead out completely as part of my decision to use a Spitfire bulkhead instead.

However, this means there is currently nothing to tie in the sides of the body shell with the bulkhead.

So the horizontal cut is there to allow me to tie the sides of the body shell to the "shelf" in the bulkhead.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...o/DSCF4646.JPG

The next part of the puzzle is transferring part of the bonnet to an extension of the body shell.

Mac actually built his extension out of alloy and then firmly fixed it into position like this.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/IMG_0528.JPG

Whereas if I follow the sketch for the line from the bulkhead shelf to the wheel arch...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/DSCF4643.JPG

Then I will only need to support the extension for an inch or so beyond the vertical face of the Spitfire bulkhead.

Therefore there should be no flex in the front sides of the body shell.

So I guess that is a very long winded way of saying the design of the bonnet has more to do with the body shell, than the bonnet itself.

However, by the time I actually get this built, the cut angles in the sketch will be replaced with some gentle curves.

A bit like the cuts through the outside edges of the aero humps.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...o/DSCF4473.JPG

I really hope this makes sense and that the finished design doesn't look too bad.

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Saturday's Bonnet Work - Part 1:
Thankfully I was able to undo the tek screws holding the bonnet to the body shell with a screwdriver.
( Which meant I didn't have to make any noise first thing on a Saturday morning. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF4689.JPG

Working around the screws holding the two sections together is a very fiddly process.

As it requires lots of small strips of matting in various sizes to fill in the gaps.

This was round one.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4...o/DSCF4690.JPG

This was my waste pile after round three.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/DSCF4693.JPG

And this is how I have left the bonnet to set for a while.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n...o/DSCF4691.JPG

Once it has cure sufficiently, I will start removing the screws and adding some more layers of matting.

I really hope I can get this middle section completed (on one side) before the rain promised for this afternoon arrives. :pray:

I'll be back with Part 2 later on today, Paul. :)

Paul L 29th August 2015 15:14

Saturday's Bonnet Work - Part 2:
With the fibreglass set pretty solid, I removed the brackets holding the two sections together.
( Although I added a small bracket to the edge of the driver's side. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/DSCF4694.JPG

Then I ground away any raised bit of matting that had gathered around the screws on the underside.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...o/DSCF4696.JPG

Then I had another two 'glassing sessions.
( One to cover the screw holes & another to cross both sides of the join, also covering the screw holes. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/DSCF4700.JPG

I wasn't going to chance another session today, so I left that to set and started the cleaning up process.

I must confess I really hate the fact that stray matting strands seem to get everywhere. :rant:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/DSCF4701.JPG

Later on, in a rare bit of good timing, I had just stepped outside to check if everything was solid, when the rain started.

So I quickly, but carefully, lowered the bonnet and you can see that the join already works pretty well at the centre.
( Ignoring the fact the foam is keeping it high at the back and there is still a lot of finishing off work to do. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/DSCF4705.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/DSCF4704.JPG

I just had time to screw the corners of the new edge back to the body shell before the covers went back on.

Given the forecast, I don't think I will get the chance to make any progress tomorrow either. :icon_sad:

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

PS
The work Micky1Mo did to join a Spitfire & Sammio bonnet together gives me hope I can pull this off.

http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/...pse70ee10c.jpg

http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/...pslbpkd9ca.jpg

Although, as I said earlier, the outside corners will need some radical surgery before they fit properly.

Roadster 30th August 2015 08:36

I understand now Paul
Its a much bigger issue than I thought but you are making good head way with it and the shape is forming nicely.
The fun of throwing the covers over as a shower passes :( Im still building a beach buggy outside so I sympathise with you

Paul L 30th August 2015 21:00

Roadster - No worries, I'm barely able to keep up with what I am planning to do myself. :rolleyes:

I went for another run around the block this morning and spend most of the time looking at bonnet gaps.

In the end my wife's Micra and a few other small cars were the only ones with a "cut" through to the wheel arch.
( Ignore the gap caused by someone hitting the bumper in a car park and driving off. :icon_evil: )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/DSCF4690.JPG

And even that is pointing in the wrong direction compared to my dodgy sketch.

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Limited Sunday Service:
As I can't bring myself to fire up noisy tools before mid-day on a Sunday, I spend some time "thinking" this morning.

I clamped the bottom of the bonnet to the body shell just to get a better look at the gap I needed to bridge.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/DSCF4691.JPG

After 12 noon, I was prepared to do some gentle drilling to counter sink the screw holes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/DSCF4692.JPG

Before filling the screw holes and the gaps in between the slits with fibreglass filler.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...o/DSCF4694.JPG

It was 1 pm before I could bring myself to get the angle grinder going on the gap between the two sections.

Before:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...o/DSCF4695.JPG

After:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4696.JPG

As I was now making noise, I also cut the new passenger corner piece into three sections.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4697.JPG

I also extended the length of the slits in the bonnet on this side too.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...o/DSCF4698.JPG

So at some point, I will be able to re-attached the new edge sections to the existing bonnet something like this.
( A combination of pushing one section in, and the other section out, until they meet in the middle. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h...o/DSCF4699.JPG

But for today, I just had time to add three layers of fibreglass matting to the gap on the sunny side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...o/DSCF4700.JPG

Then it was a bit of a rush to clean up, so we could all go to my mate's house for a family BBQ. :cool:

If I get the chance tomorrow, I will finish off 'glassing the join on the sunny side.

Then I will make a start on the passenger side corner and see how that turns out.

So until then, take care, Paul. :)

a big scary monster 1st September 2015 10:54

Hi Paul, I like the almost imaginary finished shape that can be gleemed with foresight on your picture and if one screws ones eyes up whilst filling cheeks full of air and standing on one leg I can see it finished in green and yellow long before its required for the prom drive. I hope you break the back of the bonnet scuttle blend before you go back to work and the weather turns as I feel it will be a huge psychological boost. Ed.

Paul L 1st September 2015 17:37

Ed - Cheers. :cool:

Completing this final round of major body work changes will certainly be a key milestone in the build.

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Bank Holiday Monday:

A complete wash out. :icon_sad:

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You can NOT be serious!
Without doubt, this has been one of the most frustrating / soul destroying days of this build. :icon_evil:

Started off sanding down any excess filler and fibreglass around the join in the centre of the bonnet.

But within minutes of starting a heavy shower arrived out of no where.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/DSCF4701.JPG

< Rain Break #1 >

Once it was dry enough, I finished off the sanding.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/DSCF4702.JPG

I also taped the three cut off sections of new rear edge back on to the scuttle.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4704.JPG

In an attempt to see how this corner could be rebuilt, but I didn't get too far before...

< Rain Break #2 >

Next time I was out I cut another section off the new rear bonnet edge and started the process of putting it back together.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/DSCF4705.JPG

The metal strips allowed me to reshape the existing arch, yet still keep a curve (ish).

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF4706.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4707.JPG

You can see here that there is still a shallow "valley" between the arch & the centre of the bonnet.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/DSCF4708.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/DSCF4709.JPG

This will eventually be blended in (I hope) to the rear lip profile.

But for now, I wanted to add some fibreglass matting to the outside of the bonnet slits to help hold the corner in place.
( Then I can attach the rear edge sections back to this new curved profile. )

Unfortunately, no sooner had I cut out the matting required, when the rain returned.

Thankfully I was able to get everything thrown into the front porch just in time.

< Rain Break #3 >

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...o/DSCF4711.JPG

It was actually very sunny when I went back outside to put some matting on.

However, I had a complete sense of humour failure when the rain returned after I started putting the resin soaked matting into place. :rant:

I ended up working under the tarpaulin just to finish the job, but I ended up looking like a drowned rat.
( Especially as I had to spend a bit of time cleaning the brush I was using. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/DSCF4714.JPG

< Rain Break #4 >

When it was dry enough, I could peel back the covers to see if it was worth getting soaked. :rolleyes:

I had added an extra layer of matting along the join in the centre of the bonnet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/DSCF4715.JPG

Note:
Working in semi-darkness under the tarpaulin explains the wide band of resin over the top of a thin layer of matting.

I even got away with the fixing of the wheel arch curve on the outside.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...o/DSCF4716.JPG

Note:
If you look closely, you can see some rain drops on the lower section of bonnet, but the hardboard brace/bracket is bone dry. :cool:

The sun stayed out long enough to help cure these areas enough for me to put the covers back on.
( After I had dried them out as well. )

To be honest, I just could not face taking another chance with the weather today, as I was cold, wet and seriously fed up! :icon_sad:

Obviously the rain returned after I had packed everything away for the night.

But even so, this has been a long day with very little to show for it.

Hopefully it will be a bit drier tomorrow and I can start piecing the passenger corner back together

Cheers, Paul. :)

Paul L 2nd September 2015 17:30

A Better Day:
Thankfully the fibreglass that I finished applying in the rain (under a tarpaulin) has set nicely, with no issues. :cool:

So with the outside of the wheel arch curve fixed, I could make a start on the inside.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4689.JPG

Ground back one corner of the new edge as it was curved inwards.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...o/DSCF4690.JPG

Added matting to the inside of the wheel arch curve and bridged the joins on either side of the current "gap" in the bonnet.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k...o/DSCF4691.JPG

When that was set, I removed the brackets from the outside of the wheel arch curve, but left the supports in place at the sides.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/DSCF4693.JPG

My attempts to put the rest of the passenger corner back together neatly, ended up looking like a complete mess. :icon_sad:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...o/DSCF4694.JPG

But at least it gives me a starting point to work on the underside.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a...o/DSCF4695.JPG

As long as I can get the basic shape in place, I know I can fine tune the detail later on.

I cut out all the strips I would need to start joining this mess back together.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...o/DSCF4697.JPG

But was getting frustrated that the wind had picked up and was blowing everything around.

However, as I looked up I realised the wind was the least of my problems.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4698.JPG

Given yesterday's debacle, I just packed everything into the front porch as quickly as possible.

I even had time to get the washing in off the line before the rain came. :cool:

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It was quite a wait before it was safe to return outside and add the fibreglass matting.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T...o/DSCF4699.JPG

While that was setting, I sanded down the sunny side of the join at the bonnet centre.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...o/DSCF4700.JPG

Note:
The masking tape "patch" is to remind me where a fibreglass bubble needs to be sorted out.

As I wanted to get a better look at the overall shape by giving this area a quick dusting of etch primer.
( Sorry the photo is a bit blurred. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...o/DSCF4701.JPG

Then I removed the assortment of brackets holding the passenger corner in place.
( And sanded down the areas around the screw holes. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...o/DSCF4702.JPG

Note:
The other side is such a mess, I will be not showing it until after I have attacked it with the grinder.

This allowed me to lower the bonnet and have a look at the centre section, although the photos are not very clear.
( And the bonnet is still sitting higher than the scuttle at the moment. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...o/DSCF4704.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/DSCF4705.JPG

Clearly, there is still a lot of work to do, but it is definitely getting there, albeit slowly.

Final job of the day was to add some matting over the screw holes and extra matting across the joins.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4706.JPG

I'll leave that to cure fully overnight before I start to tackle the sunny side of this corner section.

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

Paul L 3rd September 2015 14:54

Hindsight:
I've now spent a lot of time & effort trying to get the original Cordite bonnet to fit/match the profile of my home made scuttle.

At this point, I think it is fair to say that making a mould of the entire scuttle was not the most efficient way of achieving this. :rolleyes:

Whilst I have done a lot of fibreglass work on this build, almost all of it has involved the use of formers, rather than moulds.

Although my initial problem was that I couldn't even think of a way to make a former to match the profile of the scuttle.

I certainly knew that the way the scuttle tapered at the corners meant that the new edge wouldn't be a perfect match.

But I didn't really think through the impact of extending the depth of the mould at the corners, which actually made this a lot worse.

So if I was doing this again, I would still use a mould for the centre section, as that has worked well.

However, even just covering some modelling mesh with parcel tape would provide a better initial shape for the corners.

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Warts and all:
As hindsight was not available at the time, here is the current sorry state of the 'sunny side' of the passenger corner.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/DSCF4689.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/DSCF4690.JPG

I actually couldn't face taking a photo of this yesterday as it was such a mess.

But given all the horrors of this build so far, what is another maimed section of fibreglass between friends? :icon_wink:

The first job was to grind away all the joins, high spots and the rough bits of fibreglass stuffed in the gaps.
( Which is just a temporary way of getting a better join on the other side. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...o/DSCF4691.JPG

I also counter sunk the screw holes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/DSCF4692.JPG

Then I added the first two thin layers of fibreglass matting into the joins.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/DSCF4693.JPG

I also added a patch to the centre of the bonnet, where I had ground out an air bubble earlier.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4694.JPG

Once this was set, I then ground away the fibreglass matting I had added to the outside of the wheel arch to fit shape.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a...o/DSCF4696.JPG

This allowed me to clean out the slits and apply fibreglass filler to these gaps and to the screw holes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4698.JPG

When this was set enough, I was able to sand the filler down to leave me with the basic contours.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...o/DSCF4703.JPG

If you follow Ed's (A Big Scary Monster) advice from the other day and squint, you can just about see the final shape developing.
( Well, at least on the passenger side. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E...o/DSCF4702.JPG

I then added a 3rd layer of matting along the joins.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...o/DSCF4704.JPG

But no sooner had I taken the photo, when I felt a drop of rain.

So I added some blocks to the bonnet to keep the covers from touching the fibreglass.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF4705.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/DSCF4706.JPG

As it happens, I had too many other things to do today, so that was a handy place to stop.

Until next time, take care, Paul. :)

jones 3rd September 2015 22:00

Paul, I am new to fibreglass with this build but can you not back fill to an extent and shape the sunny side and backside and use glass sheet across the both sides after shaping to create one complete to tie it together? I think it looks good and definite progress with a touch of being to harsh on yourself. Keep going it's coming together

a big scary monster 3rd September 2015 23:36

I can't wait till you get some symmetry and primer I think it should look all rather grown up and elegant. Ed

Paul L 4th September 2015 05:31

Jones - Hi Ian, sorry if my rambling posts haven't made the basic plan clear, but your reply sums the general ideal.

As I started with a gap between two separate fibreglass sections.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...o/DSCF4679.JPG

Then bridged that gap by using fibreglass matting on the underside, covering a large area either side of the join in overlapping layers.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/DSCF4700.JPG

Whilst this creates a pretty solid section on one side, the original gap is a potential weakness on the sunny side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...o/DSCF4695.JPG

Rather than just use filler, I ground this out on either side and then added more matting wider that the original gap to add back strength across the join.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4696.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...o/DSCF4700.JPG

At this point, the bonnet has effectively become a single unit with no "fault line", just needing some filler to hide any evidence of the "surgery".

However, in this case, the bonnet will get some extra work, just to be on the safe side, given that it can be left in the (less supported) open position.

So I will be add some fibreglass bracing across the full width of the underside so that it holds its shape better, reducing any natural flex.

Also, once the body shell is bonded to the internal framework, I will add a extra layer of matting along the rear bonnet edge.

But whether this matting is on the sunny side, underside, or a mixture of both, depends on how well the scuttle & bonnet actually lines up.

Then the final body work shaping can take place until the body shell & bonnet look like they form part of the same car.

Overall, I am really pleased with how this is coming along, as I had no idea if I could actually pulls this off when I started. :cool:

I guess my frustration with the passenger corner is linked to all the recent rain delays. :icon_sad:

But the simple fact is I couldn't think of a better way of doing this, so even though it is slow progress, at least it is still progress.

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Ed - Symmetry? :eek:

Don't start using the "S" work when referring to this build! :icon_wink:

Jokes aside, the thing I need to remember is that this car will still give a good "first impression", despite its faults.

So whilst I know all the areas that are not quite right, this is largely a case of not seeing the wood for the trees.

I am also sure that some BRG paint will complete the transformation into the essence of a 1950s race car. :cool:

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Hopefully I will get a chance to make a start on the other corner of the bonnet today.

Cheers, Paul. :)

Roadster 4th September 2015 06:33

Symmetry?

Don't worry about symmetry Paul
Cars back then especially race cars were nowhere near symmetrical.

They were hand formed and out by huge margins that you would never accept.
Im talking in inches not millimetres


The rule here is if it looks right it is right.
Your car looks great, I know when you spend so much time looking at it you get ultra critical.
The route you have taken is labour intensive but you are building a Sammio so you already committed that you would have a lot of work to do.

Are there any other Sammios close to you that will take you for a spin to remind you why your working so hard. :)
It took me 3 years to build my Roadster at the end I had forgot it was a car, it had turned into just something I worked on.

It was worth it when I finally got to drive it.

Which BRG are you planning?
I ended up using "John Lewis" green on the roadster but in its earlier paint job I used Connaught green and I should have stuck with it. very deep and almost black in the shadows.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...pszvvra5oq.jpg

Paul L 4th September 2015 08:15

Roadster - Thanks for the kind words. :cool:

Actually, this comment really struck a cord with me:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadster (Post 70955)
... It took me 3 years to build my Roadster at the end I had forgot it was a car, it had turned into just something I worked on...

As these have been long periods of this build that have felt like a chore, rather than an enjoyable hobby.

Thankfully, I am finally on the home straight in terms of major modifications, so things are slowly looking up.

Here are the paint colours I have bought, Dark Brunswick Green + Signal Yellow.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/DSCF4035.JPG

As the plan is to have a yellow band on the nose, similar to this one.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q...-no/%24_57.JPG

Anyway, the sun has appeared outside, so that is where I should be too.

Cheers, Paul. :)

Roadster 4th September 2015 08:31

Great colour scheme - I look forward to seeing it finished.

I found the greatest compliment was that when people used to come and chat about what they thought the roadster was. No one ever realised the time and effort or the blood sweat and tears that had gone into it.

They just appreciated that it was pretty and they said they would be happy to own it and I could see all the faults I was unhappy with :)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...17246440_o.jpg

Paul L 4th September 2015 15:26

Roadster - Quite by chance, I actually had a number of people stop for a chat about the car today.

Some were "regulars" who have been following my progress for years and others were seeing it for the first time.

Without a doubt, it is clear that this car gives a great first impression. :cool:

So I just need to keep this in mind as I work my way through the modification work.

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That Friday Feeling - Part 1:
First job of the day was to check the fibreglass work I had left setting under the tarpaulin had cured properly.

Thankfully it had. :cool:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/DSCF4689.JPG

A quick trim off the edges left it looking like this.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i...o/DSCF4690.JPG

Currently, the passenger corner is still a bit "bumpy".

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4691.JPG

However, this was Swifty's "standard" join, before he started to even the differences out.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...7&d=1419884133

The scuttle tapers in more on the passenger side, compared to the driver's.

So part of my plan is to build up the scuttle at the same time as I try to blend in the bonnet.

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Then it was time to start fixing the driver's side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/DSCF4692.JPG

After trimming a bit off the bonnet and a bit off the new edge, I had this.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF4693.JPG

Note:
The angle of the photo makes the gap look a lot bigger than it actually is.

Part of the reason that this corner is not as bad as the passenger side, it that this side was completely cut off and rejoined a while back.

So the area of the original cut & shut work has left this extra gap here.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/DSCF4694.JPG

After cutting a couple of slits, I could fix this section into position.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4695.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4697.JPG

It was a similar story at the outer edge.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...o/DSCF4698.JPG

So the first fibre glassing session fixed the two edges of this section in place.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...o/DSCF4699.JPG

When that was set, I could then have a look at the remaining gap.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/DSCF4701.JPG

I cut some slits and increased the gaps at some ends to help me bend it to the right shape.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...o/DSCF4704.JPG

An assortment of brackets held it all together.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...o/DSCF4705.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/DSCF4706.JPG

Before the second fibreglass session of the day bridged the gaps on the underside.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...o/DSCF4707.JPG

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At this point I was buzzed by a Police helicopter. :eek:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...o/DSCF4710.JPG

You can also see the clouds overhead, which seemed to come and go and constantly threaten rain.

End of Part 1...

Paul L 4th September 2015 15:27

Part 2:
I didn't add any matting to the sunny side of the arch this time, so I will leave all the brackets in place over night, while it all cures.

Then I can remove all the screws in the morning and finish off 'glassing the underside.

However, I did wait until the matting was set hard, before I lowered the bonnet and took these photos.
( After putting a tek screw in to hold the bottom edge of the bonnet to the body shell. )

It should be possible to get a nice transition from the body shell to the bonnet at the side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...o/DSCF4715.JPG

Similarly, once the filler work is done, this whole corner section should look a lot better too.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...o/DSCF4717.JPG

Unfortunately, the sloping driveway makes an "across the bonnet" photo a little harder to line up.

But is is currently something like this, which should improve after some sanding / filling.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4718.JPG

Roadster made a valid point about how far out the body work of real 1950s racing cars could be.

This is good news, as it means my overall bonnet design will be in keeping with the period. :icon_wink:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U...o/DSCF4716.JPG

Jokes aside, I had no idea what I was doing when I started chopping the body shell in half and removing the scuttle completely. :eek:

But through luck, rather than judgement, I have ended up with a completely unique car, that I think will really look the part. :cool:
( Especially when the front arches are pulled in a bit. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/DSCF4714.JPG

I'm definitely over the worst of this build now, so if I can keep plugging away, it should just keep getting better.

Until next time, take care, Paul. :)

Roadster 4th September 2015 16:10

Im glad you sound more positive - what a difference a day makes.

The end is surely in sight now.

Your only close I would love top have a nose at her.

I always considered the forum to be more of a help group for crazy people who build cars :))

a big scary monster 4th September 2015 19:55

See less than a week and there is absolutely no need to stand on one leg or indeed puff ones cheeks out anymore to see your one offs elegant longer lines, in fact the only reason for any squinting now is to create the new arch in your mind. I have decided I am going to slip a bottle of speciality ale into your car without your knowing at stoneleigh as a pay back for the hours of entertainment and inspiration you provide. Are you going to chock it level for the final bond and prep? It may be easier. Ed
P.s those front arches are truly shocking and what's worst is they are shocking in different ways either side. What where they thinking when they put the effort into making the buck/ mold. I saw mr towed as he pulled up and parked his car at stoneleigh in fact I watched over it as he legged it to the facilities after his very long drive. If only you could of witnessed the look on his and others faces as he parked and the look,sound and general aura of his car. This would keep your spirits and excitement level up whilst finishing off your creation. Ed

Paul L 5th September 2015 06:33

Roadster - You are welcome to drop by and have a look at the car if you want (PM for details).

Yesterday I took a lot of positives from how quickly the driver's side corner progressed, compared to the rain delayed passenger side.

This fix was helped by simply accepting that the profiles of both bonnet corners will not be identical and it really don't matter.
( Especially given all my other symmetry issues I have to live with. )

Also seeing the bonnet close properly by itself (give or take a bit) was actually a significant milestone after all these years. :cool:

As when I first test fitted the kit, the Spitfire bonnet brackets prevented the Cordite bonnet from reaching the body shell.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...L/DSCF7504.jpg

When the Spitfire brackets were finally removed & my home made hinges fitted, the rear edge of the bonnet came up short. :rolleyes:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/DSCF4158.JPG

Mind you, at that stage, that was a minor problem compared to the fact the driver's side wing was missing! :eek:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...o/DSCF4164.JPG

Looking back, I have clearly made great progress in a lot of areas, not just the bonnet, which is a good thing.

But the source of my frustration is the simple fact that most of this work should not have been required in the first place.

Which is why I absolutely love the latest Tribute kits, especially the SWB 250 range.

They not only look great, but are so cleverly designed to bolt into place and the car can still be driven too.

This was Eric's progress in a matter of weeks.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...&pictureid=577

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5693/...f35bea5f_c.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/755/2...9b593665_c.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/683/2...55357b16_c.jpg

I really hope the new Sammio Spyder will follow this approach and be an easy build when it is launched. :pray:

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Ed - Actually the thought of lining my car up next to Mister Towed (plus Phil & Barry) is a big motivation for me. :cool:

Unfortunately, all my previous attempts at chocking the car have ended in failure. :icon_sad:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6...o/DSCF4123.JPG

Which is one of my biggest worries when the time comes to finally bond the body shell into position.

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Need to get a few odd jobs sorted out before I can work on the car, but hopefully I'll have an update later on.

Cheers, Paul. :)

a big scary monster 5th September 2015 08:44

Levelling is actually a tricky one and I can see the more you think about it the more of a worry it becomes. Axle stands under the body is the obvious but then the suspension won't be under correct load for measurements. Does the drive slope both ways? Ifmit where mine I think I would level front to back on the high side using ply wood pads or similar then to get left to right and still have a level reference use a scaffold board plank that goes under front and rear wheel raised on bricks or blocks to the correct height.that would give a measuring point to the board.and hopefully keep load on the suspension. You could run a string line from the tyre bottom of the wheel that is only raised a little to the one that is sat at drive level. I maybe being excessively stupid here so has anyone an easier idea? Scaffold boars s are surprisingly cheap or you can hire 13' ones for pennies. Ask the hire shop or scaffolders they may even have damaged planks that will be long enough. That reminds me I need a few for my tower. Ed

a big scary monster 5th September 2015 13:50

Have a look at the fiat 500 bonnet/wing/scuttle cut lines they resemble your winglet sketch.

Paul L 5th September 2015 16:40

Ed - Unfortunately, the driveway slopes both front to back & side to side.

I did think about using some scaffolding to build a raised (and level) platform for the car, but it would not be practical.

Thankfully, the front of the body shell slots now into place around the Spitfire bulkhead, so that should be straight (ish).

Then I plan to use the twin exhaust tail pipes as my reference point to get the back end roughly lined up.

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Every Little Helps:
Not much car time available today, but at least I was able to inch along a bit further...

Removed all the screws and various brackets.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/DSCF4715.JPG

Note:
After cutting the slits to get a much tighter shape, I didn't squash the arch that much in the end. :rolleyes:

Cleaned up the underside around where the screws had been.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a...o/DSCF4716.JPG

Added some more fibreglass matting across the screw holes & the join.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/DSCF4718.JPG

When that was set, I ground out the join on the sunny side.
( As I wanted to strengthen the main join on this side before I started tackling the shaping of the wheel arch etc. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/DSCF4720.JPG

Then covered the join in 3 layers of matting, increasing the width of each layer.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...o/DSCF4721.JPG

So not much, but better than nothing.

Cheers, Paul. :)

a big scary monster 6th September 2015 07:13

[IMG]http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...&pictureid=607[/IMG]
Fiat like shut lines through curved panels. When I looked at a 500 yesterday I thought the scuttle bonnet wing line resembled your sketch?(although now it doesn't) The front wing to bumper line is brave too.
Do you think the slope on the drive is too great to just use a well supported scaffolding plank? They are around 11" wide 2" thick and 13' long.

Paul L 6th September 2015 16:26

Ed - The other problem with "levelling" the slope is that the passenger side would be too high off the ground to work on.

At least now my wife and I can carry the body shell over the internal framework without the aid of a step ladder!

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A Day Off/Out:
No working on the car today, as I made my first trip to Brooklands.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/IMG_0973.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...o/IMG_0966.JPG

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The "Tri Chevy" club were celebrating 60 years of the 1955 Chevy (although the club covers '55, '56 & '57 models).

It was a lovely day and a very impressive turn out covering a wide range of styles and finishes.

Here is just a small selection of the Chevy photos I took.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n...o/IMG_0923.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/IMG_0933.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/IMG_0937.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-V...o/IMG_0928.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...o/IMG_0988.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...o/IMG_1024.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...o/IMG_1027.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/IMG_0921.JPG

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There was also a large number of other American cars on display and, again, this is just a small selection of photos.

Obviously this rear lighting layout caught my eye.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...o/IMG_0963.JPG

But I'd need to add some fins to get away with this one.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...o/IMG_1014.JPG

Got to love 4 tail pipes.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/IMG_1000.JPG

Although I'm not sure what sort of exhaust this had, but boy was it LOUD!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/IMG_1029.JPG

There were quite a few MOPAR/muscle cars.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...o/IMG_1031.JPG

Wide and Low.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...o/IMG_1012.JPG

Plus assorted hot rods.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/IMG_0954.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/IMG_1010.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...o/IMG_1011.JPG

Followed by a family pub lunch, so all in all, a good day.

Cheers, Paul. :)

andrewhush 7th September 2015 08:44

To make levelling easier I made up some rigid replacements for the spring/shocks using some 20x40mm box section I had lying about. That way you can set the suspension geometry to whwtever height you choose and it won't move when you drop the body on. To cope with yor sloping drive, mark where the wheels sit on the ground then move the car out of the way and make up some piles of ply packing up to a common level at the marked positions. Then move the packing piles just far enough to allow the car to be rolled back to where it was before, jack up and insert the packing.

Paul L 7th September 2015 16:15

Andrew - Welcome to my build thread & thanks for the "level playing field" suggestions. :cool:

Although, the fact my body shell is a bit "wonky" in places may work in my favour when it comes time to fit it.

The lack of symmetrical, after all my modifications, means there isn't actually a correct "alignment" any more.

In other words, if one rear edge is horizontal, another one wont be. :rolleyes:

So I hope I can get everything straight enough to get away with the "rough & ready" look.

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More Of The Same:
I'm sorry that most of the following photos all look very similar, but I am slowly making progress, honest.

Sanded down the rear passenger corner of the bonnet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF4715.JPG

Added a layer of fibreglass filler.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...o/DSCF4716.JPG

Counter sunk the screw holes on the sunny side of the driver's corner.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/DSCF4717.JPG

Attacked the wheel arch "slits" with my angle grinder.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...o/DSCF4718.JPG

Added a layer of fibreglass filler.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/DSCF4719.JPG

Later on, both sides were roughly sanded down.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...o/DSCF4720.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...o/DSCF4721.JPG

Not easy to see is the following photo, but there will still be some gentle contours between the wings and the centre of the bonnet.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/DSCF4722.JPG

Note:
The passenger side will probably end up nicer than the driver's side, due to the knock on effects of the earlier cut & shut of the driver's wing.

Next was adding the final fibreglass matting layers to the sunny sides, covering the main join on the driver's side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/DSCF4724.JPG

Plus the "bumps" on the passenger side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4...o/DSCF4723.JPG

Then another wait, before some more sanding.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/DSCF4726.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i...o/DSCF4727.JPG

At this point I just want the rough shape, as hopefully there will be a layer of normal body filler going on tomorrow.

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

Paul L 8th September 2015 16:09

Bonnet/Body Shell Modifications - Phase 1 Complete (ish):
Used normal body filler on the bonnet, to cover the remaining 'cut & shut' scars and to improve the overall bonnet shape.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/DSCF4738.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h...o/DSCF4739.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...o/DSCF4740.JPG

I still want to re-enforcing the edge when the other mods have been done, so there was no point in adding filler to that at this stage.
( Similarly, the lower end of the bonnet still needs to be cut off and attached to the body shell. )

However, I really need the body shell to be bonded into position before I start the wheel arch and body shell extension work.

So for now, I just sanded down the filler and trimmed off any excess fibreglass matting from the rear edge.
( I say "just", but boy was this hard labour! )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/DSCF4741.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h...o/DSCF4742.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m...o/DSCF4743.JPG

I know there is still some more shaping required, and I'm still a long way from being ready for paint...

But I couldn't resist adding some etch primer just to get a better idea of my progress, which is definitely heading in the right direction.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...o/DSCF4744.JPG

Especially, when you consider that the bonnet looked like this just 11 days ago. :eek:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Y...o/DSCF4672.JPG

By the time I've finished, this should end up being a good blend of the original Sammio bonnet curves & the new scuttle profile. :cool:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n...o/DSCF4750.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/DSCF4748.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/DSCF4745.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/DSCF4746.JPG

I know it will not be prefect, but the thankfully, the battered ex-race car look is just what I am aiming for. :icon_wink:

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Storage Crisis:
Regular readers will know that I have limited storage space and it often ends up in a complete mess. :rolleyes:

Well the chaos in my Summer House reached a new peak this morning.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/DSCF4729.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...o/DSCF4730.JPG

Now the bikes would normally live in the shed, but there is currently chaos in there too.
( It's a long story. )

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4734.JPG

Note:
These photos are after I took a load of bin bags full of stuff to the dump yesterday!

Whilst I made a start on this today, I will need to spend some proper time on it tomorrow.

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Next Steps:
I need to re-focus on getting a working "moon rover" so that I can confidently bond the body shell back on.

Which means I need to agree the final route that the rear wiring loom will take from the behind the dash to the tail lights, etc.

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

jones 8th September 2015 16:32

Great progress and its amazing how just a powdering of primer can suddenly take it a step forward on its own. I do think you are hard on your self critique Paul though!

You have my sympathies on the storage, I am prepping to have to drag the car into the garage to and work on it through the wet and cold months. It took me most of the day and a huge trip to the tip. Unfortunately I don't think it is much better than when I started - absolutely no chance of getting a car in let alone space to work on it! I will call that round 1 attempt - need a storage facility for my gardening tools and likewise the push bike too.

Keep going - good progress!

Roadster 8th September 2015 17:24

Looking good Paul you should feel proud of what you have achieved so far

swifty 8th September 2015 19:14

Paul Its been a few days since i last looked your thread and the bonnet has moved on a lot, well done it looks great the primer is a positive moral booster.

Keep up the great progress. :):)

Paul L 9th September 2015 06:03

Jones, Roaster & Swifty - Thanks chaps, seeing those last few photos were indeed a great boost to morale. :cool:

As my biggest fear was that my Frankenstein HillBilly approach to resolving the Cordite's problems would make things worse. :icon_sad:

However, it is now clear that by the time I have finally finished the last few mods, the car will really look the part of a 50s racer.

I know I can be hard on myself in terms of the standard of finish, but I have to keep pushing myself to get the best results I can achieve.

The harsh reality is that areas like the driver's side of the bonnet will end up being a bit "lumpy" in places (due to all the repair work).

But the really good thing is that this simply doesn't matter, as it is the overall impression that will count and that should be good enough.

Cheers, Paul. :)

Paul L 11th September 2015 16:42

Very Little Progress To Report:
Managed to get as far as bringing the wiring loom out to play.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF4751.JPG

As I need to work out the best route for the rear wiring loom to take to/from this connection to the main loom.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3...o/DSCF4752.JPG

I spent a bit of time looking at the various options available, trying to find the easiest one to do.

Then I realised that I needed to work out how I was going to make the cockpit water tight first.

There are currently gaps at the floor level (excuse all the filler dust I haven't cleaned up yet :rolleyes: ).

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/DSCF4753.JPG

And between the bulkhead and the body shell.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8...o/DSCF4754.JPG

So I started messing around with some cardboard to see what my options might be.

The floor area should be straight forward enough.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF4755.JPG

But the sides will need to be done in steps, starting with filling the gap at the side.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/DSCF4757.JPG

Because then the body shell extension will need to join to the Spitfire bulkhead here.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/DSCF4758.JPG

Note:
The card completely covers the bulkhead "shelf", but the actual join will not be this deep.

Overall, I think I will be able to provide a "dry" area for the cables to run through. :pray:

Hopefully I will get a chance to spend some more time on this over the weekend.

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Storage Crisis - Part 2:
I've spent a lot of time sorting out piles of stuff, not helped by rain arriving one day when everything was out on the lawn! :rant:

Here are some of the car related boxes that have to live in the shed.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...o/DSCF4751.JPG

But least there is now room in the shed for them and 4 push bikes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...o/DSCF4753.JPG

The back of the Summer House is still a graveyard for old metal, fibreglass and insulation foam. :rolleyes:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...o/DSCF4754.JPG

But at least you can actually get into the Summer House itself now. :cool:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/DSCF4755.JPG

I still need to sort out the contents of some of the boxes, but that can wait for now.

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Visual Progress:
It dawned on me that I'd posted a photo of what the body shell & bonnet originally looked like the other day.

So I thought a side by side comparison would be a good way to see just how far I have come.

Before:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...L/DSCF7504.jpg

After:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/DSCF4745.JPG

I know it has taken me a very long time to reach this shape, but the good news is that I really like it. :cool:

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Until next time, take care, Paul. :)

Scottie22 12th September 2015 07:51

Really great progress Paul!

Glad you showed the pics of your excess junk, I don't feel so guilty about hoarding my rubbish now!

Keep up the good work.

Paul L 12th September 2015 16:41

Scottie - Cheers. :cool:

Although once this car is finally on the road, there will be a major purge of my "might come in handy" pile!

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A Start - Part 1:
A combination of wet weather and other chores restricted my time on the car today, but I did a bit.

When I starting looking at the wiring loom yesterday, I found two holes in the bulkhead that might be where the front loom exits.

So I had to go back through the photos of my donor with the loom still in place and this confirmed that this hole...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...o/DSCF4761.JPG

Should be blanked off, so I found an old Spitfire grommet and that was the easiest job of the day.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/DSCF4762.JPG

Then it was back to beard scratching about how the both the cockpit interior and other gaps between the body shell & bulkhead get sealed off.

So I taped the templates I made yesterday back into position.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...o/DSCF4764.JPG

Part of this structure will seal the cockpit, but also bridge the gap to the body shell.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...o/DSCF4765.JPG

But rather than go "straight up", I need to extend this section horizontally going towards the front of the car.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/DSCF4767.JPG

Then the next vertical section will complete the seal.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/DSCF4769.JPG

Not easy to see in this photo, but I will end up with a small "cavern" around the area where the framework is bolted to the bulkhead.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/DSCF4771.JPG

And it is into this "cavern" that the rear wiring loom will now exit the bulkhead.

The plywood panels along the cockpit sides will sit in front of the framework.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF4772.JPG

But there needs to be a "hollow" section so that the wing mirrors can be fitted.
( And I still need to work on the final design. )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/DSCF4773.JPG

The key thing for me to get my head around is that I will have created a water tight space for the wiring loom.

This will be between the internal cockpit sides and the external fibreglass body shell.

I just put some cable wrap in position to illustrate this.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/DSCF4776.JPG

The same will apply at the rear wheel arches, where they will be sealed externally...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF4780.JPG

Before the internal cockpit sides seals the wiring loom out of the way.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...o/DSCF4783.JPG

I know I've spent a lot of time on this, but I had to get it clear in my head before I took the body shell off.

End of Part 1...

Paul L 12th September 2015 16:42

A Start - Part 2:
My wife gave me a hand with the lifting and the car went from vaguely looking complete...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/DSCF4784.JPG

Back to a collection of parts on my driveway. :icon_sad:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g...o/DSCF4789.JPG

Then I could drill a hole for the rear wiring loom in the side of the bulkhead.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/DSCF4792.JPG

Which will be inside the "cavern", although this photo doesn't show the angles very well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...o/DSCF4793.JPG

Then I roughly laid out the route the rear loom needs to take.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/DSCF4794.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i...o/DSCF4795.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/DSCF4796.JPG

I actually need to fit the main loom into position before I can work out how much of the loom needs to be "fed" into the bulkhead.

But that will have to wait for another day, as the covers are back on for tonight.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/DSCF4797.JPG

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

swifty 12th September 2015 20:14

Paul Any holes that the wiring loom passes through will need a rubber grommet fitting to prevent water ingress and chaffing of the cable's.

Ignore this if you know but i thought it better to mention now when it's easier to fit the grommets.

Paul L 13th September 2015 17:06

Swifty - Thanks for mentioning it, as I'd rather be safe than sorry. :cool:

I should have said I will use a grommet to protect the wires from chaffing (see below).

As water should not be able to reach this hole in the bulkhead after I've finished boxing it all in. :pray:

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Trial & Error - Part 1:
Pushed the two sections of the front wiring loom through the bulkhead.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/DSCF4799.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...o/DSCF4803.JPG

These are the original Spitfire parts, although neither appear very water tight. :rolleyes:

This allowed me to fix the main loom to the bulkhead at this end to see where the rear loom connection would be.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...o/DSCF4807.JPG

This in turn, allowed me to work out how far the rear loom wires needed to go into the bulkhead to reach.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...o/DSCF4808.JPG

I just needed to wrap up the middle section of the rear loom.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/DSCF4809.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-g...o/DSCF4810.JPG

Note:
That thin strip of driveway was how small the area I had to fit into for today's work and it was not quite big enough.

I then spent a very long time trying to find the best route for rear loom to take.

This really was a case of trial and error as I'd zip tie the loom in place, then have to cut the ties and start again.

In the end, the best route was along the top of the framework, something I had tested before.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...o/DSCF4811.JPG

Note:
I will come back to tidy up the start of the cable wrap near the hole in the bulkhead later on.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4...o/DSCF4812.JPG

I also used an extra layer of protection in some areas.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF4827.JPG

Unfortunately, when I got towards the rear arches I realised I needed to finish another job before I could go any further.

As there was a mis-match between the fuel hard line and the flexible fuel pipe.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...o/DSCF4813.JPG

I bolted 2 "P" clips to the rear arches to hold the hard line in position.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...o/DSCF4814.JPG

Even this was a pain, as I had to cut one of the bolts down to size as I couldn't find a short one. :rolleyes:

I was able to create the nice bends with my cheap flexible pipe bending tool.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w...o/DSCF4815.JPG

Then I cut the hard line down to size, before putting the final curve in the pipe.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/DSCF4816.JPG

Then I cut the flexible pipe to size and fixed it to the framework with zip ties to create a gentle curve.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/DSCF4817.JPG

End of Part 1...

Paul L 13th September 2015 17:06

Trial & Error - Part 2:

Allowing the two pipes to be joined together here.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4818.JPG

I dread to thing how long it has been since the fuel tank was connected, so this was a satisfying job to complete. :cool:

Here is the overall route.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/DSCF4819.JPG

Then I could switch back to the rear wiring loom and finish the "branch" required for the fuel gauge sender wiring.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a...o/DSCF4820.JPG

Although the wires to the tank needed to be shortened as they were too long.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF4821.JPG

So starting at the tank...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...o/DSCF4822.JPG

I worked my way around the framework...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...o/DSCF4823.JPG

Before shortening the wires & adding a new earth connector and fixing it into position on the P clip bolt I'd fitted earlier.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V...o/DSCF4824.JPG

This left the rear loom routed like this up to the branch for the fuel tank.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...o/DSCF4825.JPG

Leaving the final route down into the boot area still to be done.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/DSCF4826.JPG

Normally, I'd be complaining if I'd spend a long time working, with little to show for it.

But in this case, I'm completely happy to take my time and re-do things until they are right.

The other positive to take from today is that these jobs are all required to achieve a working Moon Rover.

So until next time, take care, Paul. :)

micky1mo 13th September 2015 17:34

All looks very neat considering your using the original loom.:icon_smile:


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