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lancelot link 28th September 2016 17:58

COMING SOON :- Triumph based 50's Special.
 
Although its early days I thought I'd post a pic here to gauge the reaction of like minded enthusiasts to a new product available soon.

The SAMM 10 SPYDER is a Triumph Herald , Vitesse or similar based body conversion to transform your donor vehicle into something resembling the Ferrari's , Lancia's and Maserati's etc. of the 1950's race tracks ...not a replica or direct copy as such , more of a representation of the generic styling of many of these cars from that exciting period ..
Prices and availability to be confirmed but will be available with separate doors and bootlid and a flip style front ... Doors and bootlid can be fixed shut if desired ..


PICTURE OF BODYSHELL BUCK UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND MAY BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS WORK PROGRESSES

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...ink/samm10.jpg

Triumph Special 28th September 2016 18:29

Given that you're so close, I think you should see if Mark at Southern Triumph Services would be interested in helping with this. No doubt he has numerous possible donors and tons of spares.

Good luck with your new project and belated apologies for not getting back to you about the wheels on the Danish 'D' Type - I had intended to acknowledge your post but it slipped my mind.

Charman.tech 28th September 2016 18:39

Garry

I think "Samm 10" would be a great nick name!

lancelot link 28th September 2016 18:43

I'VE DEALT WITH MARK SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE HE IS VERY USEFUL ...

The above post was slightly tongue in cheek , but I do have on / off thoughts about producing a new body ..I got lazy and have pidgeon holed it as I was using existing S*mmio bodies to build cars ...if this is now going to be complicated , I need to get the body out of mothballs and continue its development .... A friend of mine who recently retired from the Sunseeker Development and Pattern Making Dept.has been pushing me a bit as he is keen to be involved ..he used to manufacture the original GTD 40 bodies and has done work for various racing teams etc in the past , so its a tragedy not to use his experience ...

The bodyshell was to be called a FORMOSA SPYDER by the way and not a SAMM 10 .. !! ...

Paul L 28th September 2016 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 83109)
...The above post was slightly tongue in cheek , but I do have on / off thoughts about producing a new body...

I firmly believe that if you could combine the styling from the original Sammio Spyder/Cordite with the build approach of the Tribute A352, you would be onto a winner.

I think that was the plan for the "new" Sammio Spyder/Alpha.

As there is a lot to be said for not dismantling the donor car, if it was already "on the road".
( Obviously, complete nut & bolt restorations are a different story. )

Anything that reduces the build time from years to months has got to be a good idea.

Cheers, Paul. :)

lancelot link 28th September 2016 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul L (Post 83111)
I firmly believe that if you could combine the styling from the original Sammio Spyder/Cordite with the build approach of the Tribute A352, you would be onto a winner.

I think that was the plan for the "new" Sammio Spyder/Alpha.

As there is a lot to be said for not dismantling the donor car, if it was already "on the road".
( Obviously, complete nut & bolt restorations are a different story. )

Anything that reduces the build time from years to months has got to be a good idea.

Cheers, Paul. :)


I kind of agree Paul ...I am not sure if that is possible now though because I believe Replica Rides built a S*mmio in that way a while back ..left most of the body inside it ...if the idea has been patented , it might be uncertain ground to be treading upon ...I certainly don't want to be drawn into a huge legal battle .... :-) As you say the 'new' S*mmio / Alpha was being created in the same way , but that little car is a long way off being finished , but may well be copyrighted / patented , under a media block or ban ..so best I shut up ...

swifty 29th September 2016 21:51

Good luck with the new venture LL, been a while since I was last on here and there has been a lot happening regards the sammio name ect.....
Me thinks that if you manage to produce a balanced symmetrical shell with the wheel arches in the correct position then it's a winner, I would of thought that this attention to detail will not add to the end costs and give you a car to be proud of plus an easier build compared to what I ended up with.

Looking forward to following this new venture.

lancelot link 29th September 2016 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by swifty (Post 83137)
good luck with the new venture ll, been a while since i was last on here and there has been a lot happening regards the sammio name ect.....
Me thinks that if you manage to produce a balanced symmetrical shell with the wheel arches in the correct position then it's a winner, i would of thought that this attention to detail will not add to the end costs and give you a car to be proud of plus an easier build compared to what i ended up with.

Looking forward to following this new venture.

thankyou

Jeff H 30th September 2016 17:40

Maybe you could call the new model

"The Garrio" ?

yeah ok, maybe not.

froggyman 30th September 2016 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff H (Post 83161)
Maybe you could call the new model

"The Garrio" ?

yeah ok, maybe not.

Too late I sent a copyright application in for that one this morning!

Jeff H 30th September 2016 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by froggyman (Post 83170)
Too late I sent a copyright application in for that one this morning!



Quick, some body copyright the name "Larrio"

lancelot link 1st October 2016 11:37

Formosa has been on my mind for ages now ....its roughly translated from Italian as ''curvy or flowing lined ''

I have been thinking long and hard about this in the last few days and I have some very definite styling ideas that I have been playing with both in my head , sketching and a bit of mocking up ....I have also been collecting some parts over the last few months but feel now is probably the time to make a start ...

I am not wanting to say too much until there is something to say ...but would be very interested to know what the general opinion is regarding headlights styling ?

Do people prefer the earlier 50's style of 7'' round headlights , Cobra stylee ...or the later shrouded headlight styling like the D type and mid to late 50's Ferraris , Maseratis etc ?

Mister Towed 1st October 2016 12:06

Depends on the shape of the nose for me Gary. Sharp noses, like Maserati 150/200/300, Porsche RSK718, Alfa Duetto etc. look best with smaller 5" headlights with fairings, while blunt nosed cars, Ferrari 250GT SWB, Porsche 356, Sammio Spyder etc. look better with 7" round lights.

Sharp -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...psrja9xry1.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...V-07_AI_03.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...psaeacyisx.jpg

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5d7eb3aa.jpg

Blunt -

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psccghad6v.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...psnu3yd6xy.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...pspbtlyryv.jpg

lancelot link 1st October 2016 12:13

Agreed Towed ..so , reworded ...sharp or blunt preference ?

How about the Formosa Koppeerite ?

Car photographer 1st October 2016 12:15

nice looking car - could be very interesting

Roadster 1st October 2016 12:40

Gary I always liked your revised Spyder, I remember the "german" fronted original.

But I think the sleeker fared in lights, for the Fermosa.

Like this beautiful Bandini.

https://youtu.be/OVdJjgAc6iI

DaveP 1st October 2016 12:41

IMHO sharp - with 5" headlights . Covered in preferably but not altogether necessary.

Is there another donor out there not harvested yet to consider ? So many Japanese cars to choose from

How about a ForMicramosa ?

Dave

Car photographer 1st October 2016 14:00

yeah I was thinking 'why choose a herald or spitfire' too, as they are all just getting too expensive to get hold of these days

also, (as I'm experiencing with mine) - the handling is not very good on these cars either.

Mister Towed 1st October 2016 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancelot link (Post 83183)
Agreed Towed ..so , reworded ...sharp or blunt preference ?

How about the Formosa Koppeerite ?

Ahh, can't choose between them as I love both looks.

Car Photographer - what are your handling issues?

The suspension setup makes a big difference to the handling on small chassis Triumphs but they can be made to be really grippy and agile, especially with a lightweight body and low centre of gravity.

On mine I've recently raised the front ride height to leave the lower wishbones parallel with the road surface and that really sharpened up the turn-in and steering feel. I'm also running quite a bit of toe in on the rear wheels and toe out on the fronts, and the car changes direction with real enthusiasm and inspires confidence.

Finally, although it's tempting to fit 'uprated' springs and shocks, my feeling is that they're too hard for road use, and 180lb front springs with standard shocks keep the tyres in contact with the road surface where firmer springs and shocks leave them hopping about and losing grip. The same goes for the back end, standard shocks, a couple of leaves taken out of the rear spring and no lowering blocks give better traction and grip than a lower, firmer setup.

As for more modern donors, they tend to be big, heavy and can't be chopped about without going down the (expensive) IVA route. The resultant cars can look really good - I'm a particular fan of Tribute's 250SWB and the 275 is also taking shape nicely, but they can also look awkward, particularly around the windscreen area. I'd rather use the mechanical components from a modern donor and fit them to a purpose built chassis. At least then you don't have to compromise the design to fit around immovable components. I also have a few reservations about access to some service items and systems on the bond-on body panel type kits that are becoming popular with the pay-someone-else-to-build-it customers.

A good example of where I see what I think is an appropriate use of a modern donor would be this classic 'Mini' that uses the MGF as a base-

http://www.speed3automotive.co.uk/models.aspx

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0fxysbvh.jpg

striker1660 1st October 2016 16:22

new model
 
Gary,

you have the opportunity to make something special the photograph shows a great front bonnet and the backend i assume a sammio??. One of my all time cars is a very rare ferrari 625trc only 2 made also the maserati models have great shapes 250/300s. if you can get the rounded back end and the bonnet you have with some vents then the shape will be great.

The mention of the locost type route would be good with a few manufacturers out there. An aries motorsport based chassis would be good as this has the narrow track i.e. escort mk2 but you have both live or independent axle.

A guy in america has also completed an mgb based one which would give period style parts wires and cheap parts.

the manual is available with drawings using all mgb parts.

The triumph donor is fine but pricey and the 6 cylinder models are rarer.

regarding the lights as per the maserati flared in.


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