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jones 30th March 2015 21:40

All I would say is be careful with them as the plastic is brittle.

Y Cymro - I am thinking of changing mine so if they have run out let me know.

redratbike 30th March 2015 22:19

I have posted a link back in the thread for lancia items as well which would look good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FLA.../400891836905?

Or these actually listed as ferrari 250 items

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4008477922...#ht_198wt_1141

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 06:30

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Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 65132)
I have posted a link back in the thread for lancia items as well which would look good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FLA.../400891836905?

Or these actually listed as ferrari 250 items

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4008477922...#ht_198wt_1141

Yep, I'd seen those two links and they do look the business but they're not far off twice the price of the Autobianchi ones I bought.

Can't remember who, but one European contributor has talked of spending e20,000 to put one of these on the road, and it would be easy to spend such a significant sum if you insist on absolute parts originality and contract out jobs such as trim and paint to professionals.

With this build I'm aiming to strictly control the costs while ending up with something that looks convincing - I completely blew my budget out of the water on the Spyder, spending almost double what I set out to - so I'm looking to use as many great vfm parts as possible and will be doing all the work myself (with the exception of a headlining).

So far I've managed to source a pair of suitable leather seats for 100 (around a 400 saving against new, period looking leather buckets), a set of period looking wheels for under 100 (1,000 cheaper than suitable wires & adaptors) and a pair of side repeaters for 31 (25 cheaper than the Lancia alternative).

With a planned budget of 7,500 the savings so far of 1,425 mean that I can spend more on a much better donor. My expectation is that a really good donor will save me money in both the build and on longer term running costs: I should get more back for the panels, interior and parts than from a scruffy clunker, I'll need to spend less time and money refurbishing the running gear (getting my Vitesse chassis and drivetrain back into shape added about 9 months and 2000 to my Spyder build) and I should end up with a more reliable and better driving car once it's finished.

I know I only saved about 25 with those repeaters, but if I can do that on ten more items then the combined savings will pay for the tyres.

That's the plan, anyway...

redratbike 31st March 2015 11:52

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65133)
That's the plan, anyway...

and a good plan it is...i'm useless with money ha ha

as you say good condition items from a clean donor will sell and return you more money then a ratty example,thus putting more in the kitty to spend on the build.

and taking your lead i bought a pair of the autobianchi indicators for the bargain price of 31 delivered from Greece.

going back to the tyre talk from the other thread etc 185/15 vr cheapest so far approx 130 each vredestein classic

can get H rated up to 130mph cheaper

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUMMER-TYR...ht_1223wt_1348

redratbike 31st March 2015 11:57

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65117)
Nice looking 2.0 donor listed on ebay today -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-BMW-Z...item43d9f8d5dd

Sadly doesn't have a/c or cruise control or I'd have hit the 'buy it now' button as it looks to be an honest sale (nothing to do with me btw).

funny saw that as well ...looks like her dad is selling it for her and it had low mileage at 80k

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 12:15

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Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 65149)
and a good plan it is...i'm useless with money ha ha

as you say good condition items from a clean donor will sell and return you more money then a ratty example,thus putting more in the kitty to spend on the build.

and taking your lead i bought a pair of the autobianchi indicators for the bargain price of 31 delivered from Greece.

going back to the tyre talk from the other thread etc 185/15 vr cheapest so far approx 130 each vredestein classic

can get H rated up to 130mph cheaper

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUMMER-TYR...ht_1223wt_1348

Oponeo have the H rated sprint classics for 80 each including delivery -

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details...-91-h#88682850

Camskill did have them at 75 each, but appear to have sold out. :(

I'm holding off on buying the tyres until I've got the donor - if it's a 2 litre or less it'll be the HR sprint classics, anything bigger and it'll have to be 205/65/VR15's, a size that comes in loads of choices at the 60 to 80 each mark.

redratbike 31st March 2015 13:14

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65152)
Oponeo have the H rated sprint classics for 80 each including delivery -

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details...-91-h#88682850

Camskill did have them at 75 each, but appear to have sold out. :(

I'm holding off on buying the tyres until I've got the donor - if it's a 2 litre or less it'll be the HR sprint classics, anything bigger and it'll have to be 205/65/VR15's, a size that comes in loads of choices at the 60 to 80 each mark.

sounds good to me ...

as you surf the web you've probably come across gto engineering they do all maor of remanufactured ferrari items,rebuilds,resto's etc etc

http://www.gtoengineering.com/blogs/cars-for-sale as you can see they list a 250swb recreation ...so i had to enquire

Thank you for your interest in our 1960 250 SWB Competition Berlinettas. The standard specification includes an aluminium body, 3-litre 250 competition engine (Tipo 128F) with a 4-speed gearbox, painted and trimmed in leather to your specifications, and available in LHD or RHD. Our cars are visually and mechanically indistinguishable from the real thing. The price for this is GBP 440,000. The standard car can have various options and upgrades, details and pricing for which are below. We have now sold nine cars, six completed and delivered, seventh car is completed and awaiting delivery, eighth car chassis finished, body is being fitted.

We use an original period or later Ferrari identity, which we can supply or you can supply yourself. Build time is currently approx. 12-18 months from order/deposit. The deposit requirement is 150,000, plus 50% of the extras, and the identity if purchased from us. VAT is payable if applicable.

SWB Additional Options

1 Small Spot Lamps - 1,200
2 Bug Screen - 620
3 Exhaust Snaps - 2,500
4 Roll Hoop and Leather Padding - 2,500
5 Heater - 1,850
6 Ashtray - 1,000
7 Cigarette Lighter - 165
8 Air Conditioning - 35,000

SWB Upgrade Options

9 3.5-litre Engine - 15,000
10 4.0-litre Engine - 20,000
11 Competition Sump - 5,250
12 High Mechanical Pump Front Cover Exchange, Pump & Glass Fuel Bowl - 7,280
13 Electronic Ignition - 1,000
14 Lightweight Starter - 400
15 Dynator - 1,850
16 5-speed Gearbox - 6,800
17 Lightweight Aluminium Ribbed Gearbox Centre Section - 2,600
18 Full Competition Gearbox - 22,000
19 Small Steering Wheel - 1,200
20 Quicker 17:1 Steering Ratio - 950
21 Lighter & more heat efficient Aluminium Brake Callipers - 2,308
22 Polished Wide Wheels - 2,000
23 Original-type Horn - 1,200

Please let me know how we can help further, I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards
Joanna Lyon


the price isnt that bad considering how much an original one is so i've gone out and bought a lottery ticket..:party:

reneanglia 31st March 2015 13:52

440.000 for a "real"one.............as you buy an original one for 20 million you must feel ripped..........

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 14:16

I wish you hadn't posted that price list - if Chris reads that post he might put his prices up!

1,200 for a pair of spot lamps? What are they made of, diamonds soaked in truffle oil?

Six hundred and twenty quid for a bug screen? It's only a bit of Perspex bolted to the bonnet!

They're having a laugh. Even if I won the Euromillions I wouldn't pay those overinflated prices, I'd rather walk. Or build one myself...

Scottie22 31st March 2015 14:30

They must have been having a look at the Realm Engineering website, their prices are very similar for XKSS bits and bobs!
Which is one reason I am making it all myself.

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 14:32

These look nice -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2517453017...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Of course, the fitting kit is 1,165.15 +vat. :(

IanA 31st March 2015 18:01

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65162)
These look nice -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2517453017...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Of course, the fitting kit is 1,165.15 +vat. :(

Tell you what- I'll fit them for 1,165.5 incl VAT and I'll have "Marshal" etched on the glass for you.

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 18:06

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Originally Posted by IanA (Post 65171)
Tell you what- I'll fit them for 1,165.5 incl VAT and I'll have "Carrello" etched on the glass for you.

Bargain, they'd still be 233.10 cheaper than the optional ones from GTO Engineering. :fear:

IanA 31st March 2015 18:23

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65172)
Bargain, they'd still be 233.10 cheaper than the optional ones from GTO Engineering. :fear:

Those would be the ones with "SEV-Marchal" moulded into the glass !!!

Mister Towed 31st March 2015 18:44

It's funny how fate can intervene in things.

I have been struggling for some time to decide on what tyres to go for. I liked the idea of original size 185/80/15 Vredestein sprint classics, which are available in H and V speed ratings.

The issue I had was with the choice of donor - as discussed on another thread, any Z3 with a motor larger than the 2.0 six needs V rated tyres fitting.

I want this car to come in under budget, so I had set aside no more than 320 per set of four (fitted), which would rule out V rated Sprint Classics as they are around 150 each.

So the backup plan if I happen to get a 2.2 or 2.8 donor was to use Vredestein Sportrac tyres in a more modern size - 205/65/15V, which would come in at about 280 for a set.

So, I was searching on line for the best price for those when someone ebay listed a set of part-worn Sportrac 3's, recently removed from an E-Type.

They were in suitable sizes - a pair of 205/65/15V's and a pair of 225/60/15V's, and have 6mm tread remaining. Best of all, they were priced at under 100 for all four with best offer facility.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2618105461...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

So, best offer declined, counter offer accepted by me, 85 paid and hoping to collect them tomorrow or Thursday.

That's the tyres sorted on a budget then. :)

NeilF355 31st March 2015 19:59

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65160)

1,200 for a pair of spot lamps? What are they made of, diamonds soaked in truffle oil?

You could get them from Eurospares without the 350% markup

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/partsLis...&Mo=536&G=9&S=

redratbike 31st March 2015 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by reneanglia (Post 65156)
440.000 for a "real"one.............as you buy an original one for 20 million you must feel ripped..........

this kit car s cheaperhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAPAN-EXCL...item234df2ff95

Mister Towed 1st April 2015 06:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilF355 (Post 65177)
You could get them from Eurospares without the 350% markup

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/partsLis...&Mo=536&G=9&S=

Interesting site, now bookmarked for reference.

Everything does look suitably expensive - I'd been looking for a source of those lazy 's' shaped bonnet pins for ages but I don't think I'll be buying any at 225 per pair (plus vat and p&p?), especially as I found this US MG forum where a chap eventually made his own for less than eighteen bucks the pair (on page 2) -


http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,1043799

The tail lights look really good too, but is there really going to be enough difference between them and the ones Chris put on his parts list to justify about five times the price?

It's now become a bit of a personal challenge for me to keep the costs down as low as possible without compromising the way the car looks. :juggle:

Mister Towed 1st April 2015 06:32

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Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 65186)

Yep, could be a good starting point to upscale it on a 3D printer then use the copy as a buck to have the panels hand beaten in aluminium. With a suitable engine, gearbox and diamond studded spot lamps soaked in truffle oil it shouldn't cost more than about 440,000...

reneanglia 1st April 2015 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 65191)
Interesting site, now bookmarked for reference.

Everything does look suitably expensive - I'd been looking for a source of those lazy 's' shaped bonnet pins for ages but I don't think I'll be buying any at 225 per pair (plus vat and p&p?), especially as I found this US MG forum where a chap eventually made his own for less than eighteen bucks the pair (on page 2) -
:juggle:

Youn can take a stainless spoke from a motorbike,bend it in the right shape,weld it on a stainless acorn nut with the flanges turned off,screw a stainless bolt with the head cut off into the nut..........there you go!
Costs almost nothing.


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