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y cymro 29th July 2015 23:56

Alfa Romeo Giulietta headlamps:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...0BC7CC1ACD.jpg

Roadster 30th July 2015 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 69786)

Yes these are great and 993 but cost is an issue cheapest I can find in a £1000 for the pair - same as my donor

Roadster 30th July 2015 04:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 69788)
Are you sure new Mini headlamps wouldn't work. This Mini design is quite similar to yours especially if you cut 200mm off the bottom of it

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...6ABDE565A1.jpg

Once again I agree great choice - superleggera have not used production lamps - shame these would be an option

Roadster 30th July 2015 04:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 69789)
The Puritalia 427 is a similar concept. Not sure of the provenance of the headlamps though

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...51F10B7034.jpg


I need to do some research I don't recognise these but if price is realistic they might make a better option

Roadster 30th July 2015 05:14

The Puritalia is in the same direction as my sketch - I had never seen it when I searched cobra concepts.

The headlamps look bespoke with projector units behind covers.
Maybe that could be a solution to losing any references to other cars

https://youtu.be/wKzyJ-4IeVQ

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...pstojoq7ak.jpg


My original sketch - the idea was there but my proportions almost mid engine.
The lower lamps were added when I realised that the fiat 500 main lamps were only dipped and indicator.
The bonnet scoop was added after I visited Chris and had a chat

DSG4ME 30th July 2015 06:41

I think you will find that the new 2015 Mini Cooper S headlamps are identical to the Mini Superleggera units.

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/659...eadlamp-29.jpg


http://a.ccdn.es/cnet/contents/media..._213_1280_853/

Roadster 30th July 2015 06:56

Thanks DGM
The lights I looked at in EuroCar Parts didn't resemble those

Roadster 30th July 2015 07:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSG4ME (Post 69796)
I think you will find that the new 2015 Mini Cooper S headlamps are identical to the Mini Superleggera units.

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/659...eadlamp-29.jpg


http://a.ccdn.es/cnet/contents/media..._213_1280_853/

Mini 2014 on F56 lamps
More expensive but worth a try - maybe I will take my tape measure to a dealership first

y cymro 30th July 2015 08:29

Lots of good ideas there, and some fun for you when checking them out. Good luck, and please keep us informed. It looks a very exciting project.
Steve

DSG4ME 30th July 2015 08:40

Are we getting closer ???



http://oi61.tinypic.com/152jons.jpg

garyh 30th July 2015 09:32

The grill looks unfinished, no real shape to it.

Roadster 30th July 2015 12:03

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Originally Posted by garyh (Post 69801)
The grill looks unfinished, no real shape to it.


Sorry DSG im with Garry you do great work but the bonnet and wings have been blended together.
My original design harks back to the time when wings and bonnet were separate units.
They of course will not be but the contours suggest they are

Roadster 30th July 2015 12:17

[QUOTE=Roadster;69779]http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...psdvajwnxj.jpg

Maybe if you can get your mini lamps onto this and loose the mini side / indicator lamps - perhaps spot lamps instead.

Ive been to a dealership - nice lamps £1000+ ballasts etc for the Xenon lamps in your pic

Only £400 a pair for the non Xenon version


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...pskvagda1o.jpg

The fiat units were £38 each
I know the mini lamp looks better but I wonder how commercially viable the front end becomes when the lamps cost so much.

After all Tribute doesn't sell this sort of kit in £4000+ price range which is why we love them.
They are well made and as economic as we want them.

Sure the SWb ,Kobra and GTO could all have lots of money spent on them but you can build a budget version if that's what you want.

y cymro 30th July 2015 13:31

I appreciate the front end will possibly use the z300 front end as a starting point, but with the design changes you're requesting, how would z300 7" headlamps and cowls match your design thoughts and be sufficiently different from the original Tribute shape. Should be a reasonable cost, proven solution?

y cymro 30th July 2015 15:56

What about an Alfa Mito? Headlamps are £150 a pair on eBay and sufficiently unusual so people won't guess the doner.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...BB3618526D.jpg

DSG4ME 30th July 2015 16:06

You are right about the wings and bonnet with the blended look. A Cobra should always show it´s mascular wings.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/29ux4ck.jpg


There is another way round the headlamp issue. Have you thought of "old school" In the 60´s most sports cars used 7 inch units behind glass/perspex covers to give them a streamlined look. e.g. Aston DB5, E type. GTO, etc.
You can take that route but using modern 7 inch units with L.E.D.s or projector lights or halo lighting. Some cost as little as £70 the pair.


http://oi61.tinypic.com/rsezw6.jpg


Check out the Car Builder Solutions catalogue for a wide selection of front
and rear lights.

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/CBS_Catalogue.pdf

Roadster 30th July 2015 17:26

[QUOTE=DSG4ME;69807]You are right about the wings and bonnet with the blended look. A Cobra should always show it´s mascular wings.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/29ux4ck.jpg


There is another way round the headlamp issue. Have you thought of "old school" In the 60´s most sports cars used 7 inch units behind glass/perspex covers to give them a streamlined look. e.g. Aston DB5, E type. GTO, etc.
You can take that route but using modern 7 inch units with L.E.D.s or projector lights or halo lighting. Some cost as little as £70 the pair.




Check out the Car Builder Solutions catalogue for a wide selection of front
and rear lights.

that's looking great DSG - I still think the scoop can be less obvious I confess the mini bonnet scoop would be my choice but we are close now
Check out the Car Builder Solutions catalogue for a wide selection of front
and rear lights.

WorldClassAccident 30th July 2015 18:13

I still think the scoop can be less obvious

A flat channel in front of the scoop?

Lowers the rise of the scoop but still keeps it looking meaningful

jmc14 30th July 2015 19:01

Creating from scratch is great fun and I like the direction of this car. I used early Mini Cooper headlights on one of my cars. I purchased them new on Ebay. They were pretty inexpensive.

Have fun. http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/...rphotos077.jpg

Roadster 30th July 2015 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc14 (Post 69812)
Creating from scratch is great fun and I like the direction of this car. I used early Mini Cooper headlights on one of my cars. I purchased them new on Ebay. They were pretty inexpensive.

Have fun. http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/...rphotos077.jpg

Hi JMC glad your still on - I remember this - I love the Lister style


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