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Paul L 26th February 2018 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJSS (Post 93595)
... Also, i’ve Never quite been sure why the Spitfire/A352 conversion doesn’t need an IVA? Surely the door mods and windscreen removals constitute a fairly big change to the structure of the car?...

MJSS - We tend to talk about the Tribute A352 being a “rebody” that does not require IVA.

But, technically, it is a ‘Radically Altered Vehicle’ that fully complies with the DVLA “8 Point Rule”.

See here:
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...tered-vehicles

This is because the Spitfire has a separate chassis and the chassis is the key to its DVLA registration identity, not the body shell.

You will notice that the original body shell is not even listed in the list of points that you need to keep.

This is the Spitfire rolling chassis I used for my “rebody” and this claims a full house of 14 DVLA points.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WH...R=w640-h480-no

The next key point is that any alternative body shell that you fit must be bolted to the chassis.

So in the case of the Tribute A352, the fibreglass body shell is bonded to the cut down Spitfire tub.

This then forms a “new” body shell that is bolted to the Spitfire chassis.

So the fact you cut the windscreen off the body shell is allowed as you are technically changing the body shell.

I used a Frankenstein mixture of cut down Spitfire and other parts underneath my fibreglass body shell.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/DSCF4542.JPG

Please Note:
The Spitfire chassis VIN number is actually attached to the body shell, so you need to retain this in your A352.

Hope that helps, Paul. :)

PS
Feel free to start a new thread to cover your build ideas, even if it is still at an early stage.

Jaguartvr 26th February 2018 16:44

Naughty but.........
Could you graft a A352 to say the Z3 bodyshell complete with odd looking windscreen and get the V5 changed stating A352.
What is then to stop the next owner chopping off the windscreen and doing a few more mods?
You can get an agreed valuation insurance policy advising of all the mods including windscreen chop with pictures so there would be no comeback from the insurance company in case of an accident.
As I say, naughty but.............

Paul L 26th February 2018 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 93600)
...What is then to stop the next owner chopping off the windscreen and doing a few more mods?...

[Party Pooper]

The same 8 point rule that requires you to keep the original, unmodified, monocoque if you want to keep the original Z3 registration without IVA.

[/Party Pooper]

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Mick O'Malley 27th February 2018 06:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJSS
I’ve Never quite been sure why the Spitfire/A352 conversion doesn’t need an IVA? Surely the door mods and windscreen removals constitute a fairly big change to the structure of the car?

Hi MJSS

The body of a Spitfire is completely separate from the chassis. As Paul says, only the centre tub and half the boot/rear wings area are needed for an A352. The windscreen/doors/bonnet are all bolt on anyway, so even were it of monocoque construction their removal would be within the DVLA rebody rules.

Not just because it's the way I did it, but I would go the Spitfire route simply because it's the least difficult. I was going to say 'easiest' but that's without doubt the wrong adjective..........

Thanks for kind comments!

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 27th February 2018 08:21

Spitfire Route
 
This wouldn't be a bad place to start from......

Regards, Mick

MJSS 27th February 2018 08:35

Everyone,

Thanks very much for all the replies. Really didn’t expect this much help!

I think i’ve been convinced to go down the Spitfire/D-Type route. Definitely appreciate it’s a case of ‘least difficult’ rather than easiest, but it will (fingers crossed) give me the look i’m hoping for.

I suppose it’s time to find a Spitfire then. Thanks for the link Mick. Good to know how little Spitfire I actually need to start from!

UpstateCobraGuy 27th February 2018 23:26

The Herald (91”) would make a better choice due to it wheelbase being closer to the Jag’s 90”. The Spit is too short at 83”.

Mister Towed 28th February 2018 06:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpstateCobraGuy (Post 93613)
The Herald (91”) would make a better choice due to it wheelbase being closer to the Jag’s 90”. The Spit is too short at 83”.

True, but I do believe that the Tribute D Type shell was narrowed about 4" to compensate for the lack of length and make the proportions look 'right' on the Spit wheelbase.

Wardy50 28th February 2018 08:26

That ebay chassis looks very good indeed, even the outriggers and front crossmember appear sound. If it's as good as advertised then that would indeed be a very good place to start. I spent weeks repairing mine, which is Ok, but very tedious and costs can mount up. It also benefits from being the later swing spring, and probably the better diff.
From memory Spitfire graveyard were quoting £250.00 for a reasonable tub.
I guess just check it has a V5 with it and you're away.
Happy hunting
Steve.

UpstateCobraGuy 28th February 2018 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 93614)
True, but I do believe that the Tribute D Type shell was narrowed about 4" to compensate for the lack of length and make the proportions look 'right' on the Spit wheelbase.

I understand the A352 is narrowed, but I was referring the D-type body. I'm in the process of fitting a D-type body to a Factory Five Racing Cobra chassis. My rear axle width is around 59-60", which fits nicely inside the D body. The front is a little more challenging since the D's fenders come down around the front tires. I may need to narrow my front track to keep the "look" I'm shooting for.

MJSS 28th February 2018 12:56

What are people's thoughts on this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-S...gAAOSwvphaksyU

The other rolling chassis does look good, but I'm worried that that level of chassis up restoration prior to rebodying might be beyond me (this is my first kit car, never gone beyond light restoration (sanding/filling etc...), and the odd new panel before.

Barber 28th February 2018 13:58

Looks a good start point.

Mick O'Malley 21st April 2018 08:19

Shopping, boring?
 
I had to consider for almost a nanosecond whether to zip to Asda in the Micra or the A352?

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/929/4...febc0e29_z.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/898/4...7b485ee1_z.jpg

Good choice!

Regards, Mick

Jaguartvr 21st April 2018 08:22

Worth investing in a baby seat. That way you can park in the mother & child spot which is wider so you don't get idiots opening their car door against it.

DaveP 21st April 2018 20:57

Nice car! That is all ...

MJSS 23rd April 2018 11:44

Look's stunning Mick!

Wardy50 23rd April 2018 11:51

Very, very nice!
Hope mine looks half as good when it's finished.
Showed my wife these photo's as a 'here's one that someone prepared earlier', and to explain why I'm always in the garage.
She gets it now, and replied with 'stunning' - praise indeed!
Steve.

Mick O'Malley 8th May 2018 08:10

Blisteringly Good Weekend :)
 
My original plan for the May Bank Holiday weekend was Shelsley Walsh Saturday; Stoneleigh Sunday, and Castle Combe Monday. However, when squaring these with an old friend from my pre-lit Westfield days, he told me he was competing at Shelsley on the Sunday, so I decided to scratch Castle Combe and move the other visits forward a day.

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I used to blast up the M5 to Worcester from here in Gloucester before the rural part of my regular Shelsley trips, but I decided to try the A38 through Tewkesbury, a route I used to take in my official capacity when I worked. Being a signatory of The Official Secrets Act, I can't name names, but I once presented a cheque for circa £250,000 for input to my employer's account at a bank there. The ever suspicious teller quibbled, and wouldn't accept it before 'phoning said employer. Banks not wanting money? Surely a first!

Anyway, the early drive in the A352 through the sun soaked countryside was amazing and I arrived slightly later than usual at 0815. Despite not having been a member of MAC for years, I was directed away from the public car parking area, and from the members' area, to the front row of the grid with the real classics. Result! An absolutely beautiful XK120 roadster was my neighbour and a little later an equally beautiful XK120 coupé in a non-standard, but nevertheless fabulous, colour joined the line. If you've never been there go, I can't rave about it enough.

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I fielded the by now normal plethora of compliments and questions and, judging by the number of times she was photographed, the A352 would surely blush if she could.

An 0650 start yesterday with my #3 son riding shotgun saw us on the road to Stoneleigh. At the end of another glorious drive, this time up the largely deserted Fosseway, I was stunned to be the only car at the entrance. I've been going to this event on and off since '86 and fully expected to be in the midst of the usual mass of Cobras and Caterhams (used to be Duttons and Jagos) awaiting entry. We were the first of three on the Tribute stand and again fielded many compliments and enquiries.

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The overall turnout was very low compared to many previous years, a bit of a disappointment really. This was leavened by visits to the Westfield stand where they not only had a thoroughly regimented display each side of their imaginatively dubbed 'Westfield Avenue', overseen by stewards in dedicated Westfield high-vis gilets, but also a printed instruction on each vehicle detailing at which time bonnets should be opened! I most definitely prefer our low-key approach. I had to resist the temptation to ask if, in infancy, they'd been told off for playing with their motions......

Car of the show for me was a Buckler of which I only took analogue photo's. I loved that it had three slim wood blocks holding the rear of the bonnet just clear of the scuttle for additional cooling. Abarth clips is the technical term, I believe.

On return, and having spent circa six hours in the cockpit over the two days, my face now felt a couple of sizes too small, but nothing that a few sherbets didn't anaesthetise :).

A truly fab weekend.

Regards, Mick

p.s. Blue is the colour, it seems..........

IanA 8th May 2018 08:34

Good to see you at Stoneleigh, Mick. The car looks great.
Strangely, Sunday was busier than Monday even though the weather was as good. That Westfield plot never filled up as in previous years and there were a few empty corners (and sides) in the halls.
Hopefully the good day on Sunday with crowds of people coming in from the public car park will guarantee the show's return next year.

Mick O'Malley 8th May 2018 08:43

Gracias Señor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IanA (Post 94812)
Good to see you at Stoneleigh, Mick. The car looks great.

You too, and thanks for the compliment :).

Barber 8th May 2018 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 94810)



An 0650 start yesterday with my #3 son riding shotgun saw us on the road to Stoneleigh. At the end of another glorious drive, this time up the largely deserted Fosseway, I was stunned to be the only car at the entrance. I've been going to this event on and off since '86 and fully expected to be in the midst of the usual mass of Cobras and Caterhams (used to be Duttons and Jagos) awaiting entry. We were the first of three on the Tribute stand and again fielded many compliments and enquiries.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/912/4...535711b9_b.jpg

p.s. Blue is the colour, it seems..........

The 275 has turned into a stunner.

The 3 cars are a credit to the builders, and indeed to Tribute. We had an unexpected visit from relatives from Denmark, so were on family duties over the holiday, otherwise I would have definitely come to Stoneleigh this year. Next year definitely. Seeing all the other cars and clubs is always a buzz.

Mick O'Malley 13th May 2018 18:14

Prescott Today
 
Today's sortie in the A352 was to Prescott Speed Hill Climb, which is only about eight miles from here in Gloucester. The event was The Cheltenham Cleeve Vale Rotary Club 'Classics Drive The Hill' charity event which is in its fifth year but is a new one for me. Entrance was a modest £15 for spectators. Every time I visit this venue I muse that it would be my absolute top favourite, were it not for Shelsley Walsh. I'm blessed having both within easy driving distance, as also is Castle Combe :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/905/2...850bc123_z.jpg

Synchronicity was to the fore again, with the Buckler Club having half a dozen or so examples on display and a Fiat Quinquecento parked near me with Abarth Clips! Wierd.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley

Car of the show for me was a Buckler of which I only took analogue photo's. I loved that it had three slim wood blocks holding the rear of the bonnet just clear of the scuttle for additional cooling. Abarth clips is the technical term, I believe

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/907/4...c820f620_b.jpg

An old four wheeled friend from last year was in the paddock but I didn't manage to catch the owner for a chat.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/967/4...01c06309_b.jpg

I took a stroll to the top of the hill early, no other spectators at all. Once again, as at my first meeting there last year, the bluebells were worth the entrance fee on their own. The 'Classics Drive The Hill' got under way whilst I was up there: a Lagonda and two genuine GT40s had been and gone before I got out the digi. camera, having been snapping analogue. On the way back down a Berkeley passed me in some distress, conked out, refused to start and was ignominiously pushed away by marshals :(.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/952/4...f27a416d_b.jpg

This week's car of the show for me was this divine A110 Alpine with a slightly naff Irish reg. no. I'll forgive him.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/826/2...b7518322_b.jpg

My own car didn't enjoy the prestigious company it has had at recent events, but I had to field many compliments from other punters. A good day out all round :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/979/4...21bc0b8d_b.jpg

Regards, Mick

IanA 14th May 2018 08:45

+1 from me on that Alpine. They are always the highlight of the show on my visits to Retromobile in Paris every February. Some are in full rally livery and some in everyday "civvy" finish.

Mick O'Malley 21st May 2018 07:02

Bang!
 
It was the spring Beaulieu Autojumble at the weekend, and, as usual, I drove down to Yate to crash at my friend's house. As the forecast was so good I went in the A352 and it was a fabulous drive through the Gloucestershire countryside. We left at 0530 Saturday in his Mercedes and had a really good day as other events had doubtless severely thinned the crowds.

On return to Yate, and a quick coffee, I began retracing my route, noticing that the level of transmission noise through my ally tunnel was higher than usual. As the trip is only some 30 miles I pressed on regardless enjoying the surges of acceleration out of the corners on the twisty first section of my route. A loud bang, followed by hideous graunching noises and a total loss of drive brought my reveries to an abrupt end. A puddle of hypoy under the diff. told its own story :(.

I 'phoned my friend and he nobly came out and towed me the 20 odd miles home - I was carrying my Machine Mart towing bar so this was a doddle behind his Mercedes. We pushed the A352 onto my front and I decided to not even look until the morning.

I had other tasks to perform so it wasn't until late morning that I got the beast up on axle stands with the back wheels off and investigated. The nose bearing has completely vanished so I'm guessing that the shaft which passes through it has sheared inside. I 'phoned my ever helpful Spitfire parts guy who not only has a good condition diff. but is coming up the M5 mid week! Result.

It's a fair bit of work as access to the transverse spring mounting bolts is severely hampered by my cockpit panelling. I hope that recourse to neither rivet drilling nor tin snipping will be necessary.

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 22nd May 2018 05:35

What a Diff-erence a Day Makes
 
I pitched in yesterday morning after a quick refresher course with my Haynes Manual. I'd taken the Spitfire diff. (as well as the engine, gearbox etc.) out of my Marlin Roadster to carry the frame from behind my house to the front before re-assembly, so the job wasn't completely new to me. The Haynes Manual neglected to mention the long bolt through the rear of the diff., an omission that didn't surprise me, as I'd taken issue with them a few years ago regarding a procedure 'detailed' in their BMW GS1100 manual, which, if followed, could easily have resulted in serious injury or death. I received a reply to the effect that, if reprinted, the error would be corrected!

As anticipated, the four studs through the spring into the diff. proved the only difficult part of the operation as the limited access required awkward contortions lying along the passenger side floor. Anyway, it all went fairly smoothly with a minimum of FFS's and skinned knuckles, the lump of oily scrap at last sitting on the ground.

Crap photo' alert.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/951/2...c9f5c406_b.jpg

And again.

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If I'm extremely lucky, the replacement will be fitted by close of play on Friday, allowing me to arrive in style at the Lotus Day at Castle Combe on Saturday and the French/Italian day at Prescott on Sunday, weather permitting........

Regards, Mick

Paul L 22nd May 2018 05:41

Sorry to hear about your breakdown. but glad to hear you will be back on the road soon.

Good luck, Paul. :)

Wardy50 22nd May 2018 06:05

Hi Mick,
Sorry to hear of your diff woes, but glad to hear you're well on the road to recovery!
When I was taking the Spitfire apart I remember questioning the parentage of the designers who seemed to have gone to great lengths on the drawing board to make each nut and bolt the most inaccessible they could for no apparent reason.
That long rear diff carrier bolt was the worst, as it had managed to corrode itself along the full length into the guide tube.
Just out of interest what diff have you used - I'm sure I read somewhere that the latest 1500 ones were strengthened??
Good luck with the rest of the fix.
Steve.

Mick O'Malley 23rd May 2018 06:41

Thanks for good wishes, it's all fallen into place quite nicely so far, what with getting an instant tow home; everything coming apart easily; and 'Spitfire Steve', as I call him, not only having an FH diff. but coming more or less past the end of my road today!

As far as I know, the only weaker diff. was the 4.11 fitted to Heralds and perhaps early Spitfires. The one I'm getting is a straight swap - good news as changing the drive flanges, of which there are two sizes, would be an additional pain. I'll be sure to give the long bolt, and all the others, a good coat of copper grease during reassembly.

Regards, Mick

oxford1360 23rd May 2018 07:51

I have "Spitfire Steve" in my phone contacts. He is very useful. And, I recently moved to just a few miles from him.

lancelot link 23rd May 2018 08:00

I have him his details too ..he's very helpful ...I am pretty sure he has spoken about dealing with Mick previously ...

Mick O'Malley 24th May 2018 07:44

No Surprise :(
 
My diff. is arriving around mid-day: unsurprisingly it's raining and the A352 is on axle stands (under a cover) out in the open. I think the chances of re-assembly in time for the weekend's jaunts are slim.

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I had imagined that my laser eye surgery the day before yesterday would be a stumbling block, but not in the slightest.

The rectangular object under the cover is an inverted plastic tub. Without it the rain puddles over the cockpit and the so-say waterproof (and expensive!) cover leaks.

Regards, Mick

Jaguartvr 24th May 2018 07:57

Recovery time from laser surgery is very fast. Do make sure you wear a well fitting pair of goggles when working under the car, you want to avoid getting the normal dose of rusty, oily bits dropping into the eye!

Mick O'Malley 24th May 2018 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 95155)
Recovery time from laser surgery is very fast. Do make sure you wear a well fitting pair of goggles when working under the car, you want to avoid getting the normal dose of rusty, oily bits dropping into the eye!

It was for angle closure glaucoma relief, rather than vision correction. Apart from the first blast in each eye, it was more or less painless. Drops four times a day and a check over in a month will see it done.

Rust, under my car? Surely not!

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 25th May 2018 08:05

A Diff-icult Day
 
'Spitfire Steve' turned up mid-morning and delivered my 'new' diff, as well as swapping my stainless transverse silencer for a straight though longitudinal back box, also stainless. Top bloke!

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It will need a stepped connector to mate with the narrower diameter pipe. These I've bought before from Ebay for the A352.

The skies looked slightly threatening but I pitched in anyway, having to open a new box of nitrile gloves which resulted in a Michael Jackson vibe.

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Balancing the diff. on the jack, I wormed my way under the car but, despite several attempts I just couldn't manoeuvre it into a position where I could replace the long bolt: it kept tipping forwards, even when I held the nose end up with a ratchet strap around the chassis rails. More head scratching resulted in my fabricating a bespoke wooden gismo which would hold the diff. horizontally. Ten minutes with saw, hammer and nails resulted in this masterpiece :rolleyes:

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It worked a treat, and I was soon once again contorting my limbs to bolt back the frame connections, followed by the three flanges. I then uncovered the cockpit, lay down on the passenger side floor and began replacing the studs through the spring mounting plate into the diff. I managed three of the four before my screaming arms cried enough and I packed up for the day, reminding myself for the umpteenth time that I'm not 21 any more! This morning I'm glad to see the rain as I can rest my aches whilst awaiting more clement weather :)

Regards, Mick

froggyman 25th May 2018 10:14

Well done Mick. Sensible move on a rest day. Better to have one day rest than a forced week lay up. Good to see you will be back on the road soon.

Barber 25th May 2018 14:48

I can vouch for the fact that despite being better padded around the rear than I was when younger, it has no positive effect when sat on the ground or Z3 door cavity for prolonged periods trying to get the door lock in (out was easy).

Mick O'Malley 27th May 2018 10:42

Success
 
After my rest day, which turned out to be anything but, I pitched back in yesterday afternoon, having spent the morning with no.2 son in Cirencester. The fourth stud and the cover plate proved a doddle, so it was back to more regular re-assembly: seats and covers; exhaust; reconnect rear shocks and replace wheels and dummy spinners. To avoid the danger of scratching the bodywork whilst negotiating the narrow gap, I decided to push her out with the help of my good friend down the road. This we accomplished, although my daughter's car was blocking access to the road. We had a coffee fortified with some hard stuff to celebrate (he'd brush painted his 1960 Hillman Husky with boat enamel the day before).

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He's a signwriter by trade, so this was meat and drink to him.

This morning, between showers, I went for a gentle test drive for a couple of miles and all seems well. I'll perform a hypoy level and nut and bolt check before anything more rigorous. Belt and braces always!

Regards, Mick

Mick O'Malley 29th May 2018 08:28

Playing Poker. Not!
 
Yesterday's sortie in the A352 was to the Berkeley Castle Classic Car day. I had originally planned on going to Castle Combe but when I looked at the card the runners and riders didn't exactly blow my skirt up. I'd not been to either this event or its venue previously, despite its being more or less on my doorstep.

On arrival mid morning I parked with the punters and was immediately buttonholed by fellow enthusiasts. I asked a steward in the show area if I could move my car there and he kindly agreed :). There was a really good variety of machinery on display with a scattering of kit cars, amongst which were two of my least favourites: a VW Beetle floorpan based 'Type 35 Bugatti' and a Robin Hood. However, I had a long chat with the owner of a glorious Moss Roadster regarding both his machine and Monacos. Interesting stuff!

The car of the show, for me, was this Turner in Team Elite livery, beautiful!

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When I returned to the car to leave I was besieged by punters for 15 or 20 minutes, one of whom said he'd built a Jaguar based D-Type lookalike in Ecurie Ecosse colours which he'd mistaken mine for. The twin apparently now lives in Bristle: it would be good to track this down!

The A352 performed faultlessly, the replacement diff. being silent. With hindsight, I think the old one had never really been right. Spitfire Steve is going to investigate its internals and let me have his verdict. Top bloke for both quality and price!

Regards, Mick

IanA 29th May 2018 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick O'Malley (Post 95219)
...he'd brush painted his 1960 Hillman Husky with boat enamel the day before).He's a signwriter by trade, so this was meat and drink to him.

Hi Mick- any chance of finding out what paint he used please? It looks like a nice finish. I brush paint my Jago because knocking bits off of a pricier job when off-road would be a pain. I've used International Toplac but it is not easy to touch-up or put on another coat. Cheers. Ian

Barber 29th May 2018 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanA (Post 95250)
Hi Mick- any chance of finding out what paint he used please? It looks like a nice finish. I brush paint my Jago because knocking bits off of a pricier job when off-road would be a pain. I've used International Toplac but it is not easy to touch-up or put on another coat. Cheers. Ian

Go on, I dare you :icon_biggrin:


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