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Egdik 17th October 2014 12:12

Ferrari side markers / indicators
 
These Altissimo items are available from Christian via the german ebay or after contact, directly and Paypal. Altissimo part number 414.12.18. This week they cost me 93E = 76

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Seitenblinker...3D300711926657

casamolino 17th October 2014 17:56

Bought those Indicators from that seller , when I first started , Geoff .

Mister Towed 18th October 2014 17:35

Been looking at lots of pictures of SWB interiors and trying to find suitable seats.

The race cars tend to be fitted with small buckets, similar to AC Cobra seats, but the road going cars have an assortment of far more comfy looking armchair style seats.

I had decided that MGB seats would fit the bill,

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5542fd99.jpg

and was surfing for 'MG leather seats' on ebay when I had a moment of inspiration. On finding these Rover 45/MGZS seats it triggered a vague memory of possibly seeing something similar in a 250 SWB.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc1035d7.jpg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1913674076...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

A bit more surfing and I rediscovered this link to a customer specified road car -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2622155f.jpg

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/...%2012-Cylinder

So, a pair of period looking leather seats for under 100, and maybe even turn the rears into a Top Gear style sofa, preferably without the H982FKL number plate attached in case the premium Argentinian cow hides they're covered in attack...

redratbike 18th October 2014 22:24

Yep the rover seats are very retro....

y cymro 19th October 2014 18:02

The B seats might fit but I wonder if the squabs of the MG/Rover ones are too high to allow head room?

Mister Towed 19th October 2014 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 60605)
The B seats might fit but I wonder if the squabs of the MG/Rover ones are too high to allow head room?

Good point, they might need a bit of modification to the frame.

Mind you, the Z3 seats aren't exactly compact -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5e4294a4.jpg

Compared to -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...pseeb509e2.jpg

The Rover seats might even be a bit lower...

y cymro 19th October 2014 20:45

I didn't realise the z3 seats were that tall as the driving position feels low. Though I when I removed one from the car because the electric drive motor jammed I notice it must weigh about 40kgs.
Good find on the MG ones.

Mister Towed 27th October 2014 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 58291)
Picked up some nice old Jag bolt on wires from ebay, should look the part

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psfe75bf1b.jpg

Sorry to dip back so far into this thread, but do the Jag bolt on's just bolt on to the Beemer hubs or do they need modification first?

I see there's not much in it PCD wise, they're 5x120.65 while the BMW has 5x120. Is it just a case of elongating the holes by .65mm?

I know you guys are always busy but it'd be nice to hear if there's been any progress... :eyebrows:

y cymro 27th October 2014 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 60792)
I see there's not much in it PCD wise, they're 5x120.65 while the BMW has 5x120. Is it just a case of elongating the holes by .65mm?

You're right about the difference in pcd and obviously it wouldn't be a good idea to elongate the holes due to that affecting the mounting tapers needed to locate the wheel.
Eccentric washers are available for this and are widely used, though I have no experience of using them. They're known as 'wobble bolts' and look like this

http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/150408_x800.jpg

I found them on this American site via a quick google
http://www.ecstuning.com/ES2142850/

y cymro 27th October 2014 09:59

I measured a pair of MG/Rover seats at yesterday's Restoration Show and think they'll be too wide for a Z3 - though it was a rough and ready measurement. Whereas on the Z3 the rear of the backrest is tapered to be narrower than the front face, on the MG its wider. The front face is about 15mm wider than the Z3 whilst the rear face is more than 40mm wider. I suppose you may get away with it if you sit close to the steering wheel and don't push the seat far back.

y cymro 27th October 2014 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 60796)
You're right about the difference in pcd and obviously it wouldn't be a good idea to elongate the holes due to that affecting the mounting tapers needed to locate the wheel.
Eccentric washers are available for this and are widely used, though I have no experience of using them. They're known as 'wobble bolts' and look like this

Thinking about this, is the centre bore of the Jag larger than the BM? If so you'll need a spigot washer to locate the wheel if using wobble bolts as otherwise it will be difficult to centralise the wheel.
Chris has fitted these wheels to his SWB so I'm sure will be able to advise you.

Mister Towed 27th October 2014 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by y cymro (Post 60797)
I measured a pair of MG/Rover seats at yesterday's Restoration Show and think they'll be too wide for a Z3 - though it was a rough and ready measurement. Whereas on the Z3 the rear of the backrest is tapered to be narrower than the front face, on the MG its wider. The front face is about 15mm wider than the Z3 whilst the rear face is more than 40mm wider. I suppose you may get away with it if you sit close to the steering wheel and don't push the seat far back.

Interesting, were they this type you measured?

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...pseeb509e2.jpg

40mm wider at the back is only four fifths of an inch to find each side. Once I've purchased a donor (don't hold your breath) a bit of clearance measuring will tell me if I can get away with fitting budget leather seats.

On the wheel front, I've been struggling to find a look I like. All the originals I've seen have dished Borrani wires - beautiful but two grand+ each.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps868ef00b.jpg

The only wires I've found that look the part for anything like the sort of money I'd consider are AC/Aston/Morgan 6x15 with a 10mm ET from MWS, but these would still swallow about 260 per corner (with adaptors and 3 eared spinners) plus tyres of course.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...psd1ff7719.jpg

http://shop.mwsint.com/product_details.asp?id=490

For half that price I thought about having new steels banded an inch (sprayed silver) -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Set-of-4-B...item258e565c08

http://www.bandedsteelwheels.co.uk/#!price-list/c1ez2

But, I might just have found a budget compromise -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d8f07c6.jpg

They have the dished look I want and I could always upgrade to the AC wires when funds allow...

fatbloke 27th October 2014 17:22

I have a set of Jag wire wheels, recently powder coated, available for a reasonable price.

Tribute Automotive 27th October 2014 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 60792)
Sorry to dip back so far into this thread, but do the Jag bolt on's just bolt on to the Beemer hubs or do they need modification first?

I see there's not much in it PCD wise, they're 5x120.65 while the BMW has 5x120. Is it just a case of elongating the holes by .65mm?

I know you guys are always busy but it'd be nice to hear if there's been any progress... :eyebrows:

My old jag wires bolted straight on even with the 0.65mm difference (how wide is a human hair?) using over length BMW tapered bolts (solid not sleeved)and the centre bore was spot on with no spigots needed. All dumb luck, take a chance on ebay stuff :nod: They are a tad wobbly at 45 and 70mph but after some rotation from front to back has proved usable. I will be replacing them when funds allow (that won't be soon) with these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROCKET-RAC...item7b6d616d53

with gray centres. Period looking and scratch my Hot Rod itch.:decision:

Mister Towed 27th October 2014 20:47

I do like those Rocket 'rod wheels, they'll look pretty cool.

The 7x15, ET10 BBS's look like superb value though at around 100 to 200 per set and they'll definitely fit without fouling anywhere.

Tribute Automotive 27th October 2014 20:52

Small progress
 
The need to earn some money has slowed the SWB development down, anyone who is self employed will know how taking a holiday is a financial nightmare, but back on it now.

After marking out the side vents on the car in pencil, I sprayed them in black to check how they would look once cut in the bodywork:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5243f903.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps903f83e6.jpg

These were then transferred to an old bonnet of the same curvature. Easier to construct and mould the vents on a bench than the car:

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...psa06e57d1.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6cefe363.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps15cf3cc8.jpg

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2447636d.jpg

Still lots of work to do on the shape. Once perfected they can be splash mould and 4 handed vent produced and the rears sectioned to reduce the height compared to the fronts, then cut into and bonded to the car/buck,

Tribute Automotive 27th October 2014 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Towed (Post 60817)
I do like those Rocket 'rod wheels, they'll look pretty cool.

The 7x15, ET10 BBS's look like superb value though at around 100 to 200 per set and they'll definitely fit without fouling anywhere.

And with a set of those 19 chrome/plastic 3 ear spinners from Europa will look great.

Mister Towed 27th October 2014 20:59

Coming along nicely now, those penciled/infilled vents look pretty convincing in the photos.

Mister Towed 27th October 2014 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute Automotive (Post 60819)
And with a set of those 19 chrome/plastic 3 ear spinners from Europa will look great.

Yep, that's what I was thinking. I do like the look of the MWS dished wires but I have a suspicion that the short ET and 1.25" extra per side that the adaptors push the wheels out would lead them to foul the arches.

I did find this useful tool for checking the difference between different wheel/tyre/offset combinations -

http://www.willtheyfit.com/

Combine that with this site to compare original BMW fitment -

http://www.wheel-size.com/size/bmw/z3/

This is how I can be pretty sure that 7x15's with ET10 will fit within the arches. :ranger:

Plastic Porsche 30th October 2014 18:59

MWS Cobra wires
 
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Your right, the MWS 6 x 15 wires do stick out a bit, the ET is actually -16 so they stick out alot


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