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Munky 16th April 2019 17:34

Wow!
Looks like frames for the rear window too!
:)

https://m.facebook.com/groups/181594...rofile_browser

Barber 16th April 2019 19:10

The rear windscreen trip is that plastic chrome stuff.

Barber 17th April 2019 11:15

Here are the pics, I managed to figure out how to make my phone a hotspot.

Side View of window frame
http://i64.tinypic.com/2m7dtsw.jpg

Side/Rear view of window frame and rear screen
http://i64.tinypic.com/2lnd7wp.jpg

I can't remember if the top of the frame incorporates the rain gutter but I think so, I will have to check with Chris.

IanA 17th April 2019 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barber (Post 99990)
...Side View of window frame...

That "rear quarter" window looks rather swish.

Scope for a future builder to make a pillar-less coupe.

Lucky@LeMans 17th April 2019 20:12

It works really well with the Z3 window . Some matt black and it would look like a pillar-less design. Looks good regardless !

Paul L 18th April 2019 07:24

Barber – I’m not on Facebook, so great to see those photos on here. :cool:

I know developing the buck can be a difficult process, but it really does look the business.

Good luck, Paul. :)

Barber 19th April 2019 10:25

Getting close on the front
 
Chris has nearly finished on the area around the grill. See pics below painted in Maranello Green.

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zog9oo.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2jf0ntg.jpg

I hope that the Ford Motor Company do not take offence. :biggrin:

smash 19th April 2019 14:50

Windows look brilliant. As does the whole car frankly.

It's another level completely from the SWB - awesome work.

Munky 19th April 2019 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barber (Post 100023)
Chris has nearly finished on the area around the grill. See pics below painted in Maranello Green.

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zog9oo.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2jf0ntg.jpg

I hope that the Ford Motor Company do not take offence. :biggrin:

That looks a little more red than green!
If you have some green pics - please share!
I think one of my 911 projects is currently shaking in the garage knowing I’m looking at this...

molleur 20th April 2019 01:43

key word "Maranello"

Munky 20th April 2019 03:01

Ah, got it!

Thought you meant 550 Maranello green like this...
https://www.classicandsportsfinance....550-maranello/

DOH!

Barber 20th April 2019 06:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munky (Post 100034)
Ah, got it!

Thought you meant 550 Maranello green like this...
https://www.classicandsportsfinance....550-maranello/

DOH!

Now that colour could become a contender.

Jaguartvr 20th April 2019 07:36

Just been working on a Boston Green Z3, very similar colour to the 550. Would save painting all the door shuts.

I think Smash is being a bit hard on the 250. Mine was a relatively simple build, the only problem being the front door shuts. This has now been resolved so is a much easier build, if the Z3gato is anywhere close in the way of fit and finish then it will be a winner. Bear in mind that it doesn't have door skins so should be a doddle to build.

molleur 20th April 2019 14:20

Boston green is a great choice. So is the BMW dark green (BMW307).

smash 20th April 2019 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 100036)
Just been working on a Boston Green Z3, very similar colour to the 550. Would save painting all the door shuts.

I think Smash is being a bit hard on the 250. Mine was a relatively simple build, the only problem being the front door shuts. This has now been resolved so is a much easier build, if the Z3gato is anywhere close in the way of fit and finish then it will be a winner. Bear in mind that it doesn't have door skins so should be a doddle to build.

Eh? Was just talking about the design and details so far - no one mentioned door shuts :)

Every new Tribute design seems to raise the bar in terms of styling and detailing - just think this is looking really impressive

Munky 23rd April 2019 00:59

Any thoughts about door handle changes?
Will you leave it as is or something different?
I’m guessing as there are no door skins, that might be a challenge.
I’ve seen a few different types on Z cars on the net.
Even one that seemed to have some sort of old fashioned draw type 1/4 cup handle with a single push button next to it.

Barber 23rd April 2019 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munky (Post 100083)
Any thoughts about door handle changes?
Will you leave it as is or something different?
I’m guessing as there are no door skins, that might be a challenge.
I’ve seen a few different types on Z cars on the net.
Even one that seemed to have some sort of old fashioned draw type 1/4 cup handle with a single push button next to it.

Chris has suggested some Fiat type handles similar to those fitted by WCA on his Z300S. Apparently you can get them with a large mounting plate supplied. The pics have gone from WCAs thread, but you can see it on the Tribute website, it is the black one at the top. However, I may just put chrome covers on the existing handles. I like the look of some of the early BMW series handles. Something for me to research (again).

redratbike 23rd April 2019 19:35

You mean the barchetta ones ??

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fiat-barc...oAAOSwcwdcmnSI

Barber 23rd April 2019 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 100092)

Yes, like that, but not yellow.

redratbike 23rd April 2019 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barber (Post 100093)
Yes, like that, but not yellow.

The only ones I could find for sale :biggrin:

Munky 24th April 2019 00:11

£200! I’d want them gold plated for that! :)

Who knew Fiat part prices could rival Porsche prices...

They would look darn cool though.

redratbike 24th April 2019 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barber (Post 100093)
Yes, like that, but not yellow.

message sent

Barber 24th April 2019 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 100103)
message sent

Replied. The ones with the door panel section are the ones Chris meant I believe.

redratbike 24th April 2019 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barber (Post 100104)
Replied. The ones with the door panel section are the ones Chris meant I believe.

http://www.barchettaparts.com/catalo...product_id=710 Must admit they do look good

Barber 25th April 2019 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by redratbike (Post 100110)

I have this bookmarked. The more I look, the more attractive they get. I liked WCAs when I saw them.

smash 26th April 2019 00:08

Is it possible to reshape the originals? Grind to new shape and chrome plate maybe?

Barber 26th April 2019 04:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by smash (Post 100122)
Is it possible to reshape the originals? Grind to new shape and chrome plate maybe?

Chrome plating / replacing the existing handles is a good idea, and was likely to be the default option. It would be much simpler.

Jaguartvr 28th April 2019 07:33

BEWARE OF TOUCHING Z3DOOR LOCKS!

Have been working on 2 Z3's and both have deadlocked. Both have the roof down so I can get inside them, however even with the key in the ignition the doors cannot be opened from the inside. Do not confuse locking with deadlocking. As the doors have skins attached to them the outer door lock is unaccessible so the cars simply cannot be unlocked. I have had to drill a hole in doth cars door skins so that the door lock can be accesed, as soon as the key is inserted the car will unlock.
It is a design feature, if you lock the car with the roof down a potential thief cannot simply lean inside the car and unlock it, a sendible precaution but a PITA if you fit door skins over the lock.
I have cut a door up to see clearly how the door handle/lock works and to say it is over complicated is an understatement.
If you are going to fit door skins you should have a dummy key hole under the door handle on the skin so it can be removed to gain access to the original lock. If you start messing around with different door handle options you will end up with problems. For instance, not only does the key operate the locking mechanism, it also includes a microswitch that operates the door actuators, these are virtually inaccessible and overly complicated, not like a normal door solenoid.

Hughandjen 28th April 2019 12:58

You have got me worried now. Is it an option to remove the lock and secure it on the inside of the door so that it accessible by removing the door card. I suppose though that doesn’t help if the roof is down��

Jaguartvr 28th April 2019 14:49

The door card can be removed with the door closed but if the door has deadlocked you can only open it using the key in the door lock which is hidden by the 250 door skin.

Found this on the web

BMW's fatal flaw?


Having owned BMW's for over 30years and a current owner of an X1, 5 series and a Z3 I will never buy another BMW until they fix this flaw.

Why?
Having had a nice Sunday lunch with our neighbours my wife pops into a garage to pick up some milk. Unbeknown to her she locks the car of my 5series as she put the keys in her bag.

One of my passages was feeling a bit sick and said she could not open the window so I said I would try but it was dead and would not work.

No problem I said, I need to press the unlock button on the dash board but again no luck.

Then I tried to open the door in the back seat but no joy, so I jumped into the driver seat to open the door. It looked promising as the button that locks the car lifted up but again no luck.

So there we were completely locked in with no way out and we all stated to panic.

I tried to phone my wife but kept dialling the wrong number and the tension started to build as we all realised we were trapped inside.

It was a terrible feeling something I never want to experience again totally trapped inside my BMW with no way out.

Eventually my wife returned to see us banging on the door and she opened the car to our relief.

This can't be right I thought so when I got home I tried locking the Z3 with the key and again I was locked and the only way out was using the key. Luckily in a Z3 I could manually take the roof down.

So I then tried the X1 same thing no way out unless you have the key. And the my son's Mini, just the same.

So I then called the dealer that I have bought all my cars from over the years and told them the problem.

“No sir this can't happen you just need to pull on the handle twice and you will be fine.” Was the reply.

“No I said, go and lock the door when you are inside and try getting out of the car without the key.”

“But why would you do that sir?” Implying that I am a bit stupid.

“Well you go and try it.” And with that the conversation ended.

5 minutes later my BMW sales rep calls me.

“Nick it's a security feature so that once the car is locked from the outside everything is switched off and disabled.”

“But what happens if I have a crash or an electrical failure” I argued.

“Nick this can't happen if the key is in the ignition the doors would open automatically, trust me” and “Now you know about the dead lock you won't do that again” he continues “It's the same for all German cars.”

I said thanks put the phone down and thought what would I prefer? A car that is difficult to steal or a car that lets me out of if I get locked in. Plus I have to trust technology in an accident and hope the doors will open.

Just imagine if the car caught fire and you could not get out! Here is an article about when your battery dies and you can't get in http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Trouble/Locked.htm well what happenes if the battery dies when you are inside the car? And here is one more link about being locked in a BMW http://www.bimmerwerkz.com/forum/5-s...ugh-61470.html
Here is one more http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...-inside-my-car

So I then searched YouTube and quickly found a tragic story of a young 14 year old girl that had suffocated. Her brother had a lecture an hour before her so he left her in the car as she slept and locked it.

Barber 28th April 2019 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaguartvr (Post 100150)
BEWARE OF TOUCHING Z3DOOR LOCKS!

Have been working on 2 Z3's and both have deadlocked. Both have the roof down so I can get inside them, however even with the key in the ignition the doors cannot be opened from the inside. Do not confuse locking with deadlocking. As the doors have skins attached to them the outer door lock is unaccessible so the cars simply cannot be unlocked. I have had to drill a hole in doth cars door skins so that the door lock can be accesed, as soon as the key is inserted the car will unlock.
It is a design feature, if you lock the car with the roof down a potential thief cannot simply lean inside the car and unlock it, a sendible precaution but a PITA if you fit door skins over the lock.
I have cut a door up to see clearly how the door handle/lock works and to say it is over complicated is an understatement.
If you are going to fit door skins you should have a dummy key hole under the door handle on the skin so it can be removed to gain access to the original lock. If you start messing around with different door handle options you will end up with problems. For instance, not only does the key operate the locking mechanism, it also includes a microswitch that operates the door actuators, these are virtually inaccessible and overly complicated, not like a normal door solenoid.

Good points. As the Z3gato does not have door skins, presumably I'd have to move the key lock mechanism across to the new handle panel. Bot not the radical problem when using door skins. Cutting your doorskin doesn't do it for me.

Hughandjen 28th April 2019 18:13

So what we could do is turn the lock round so you can put the key in from the inside and set it in the door card rather than hiding it behind the new door skin

Jaguartvr 28th April 2019 18:22

You would still need to smash a window to get into the car.
Unless you are a genius there is no way to re-engineer the door locking mechanism.
I bought an extra door to cut up and see what could be changed but everything would have been too big a compromise.
Small fake door lock on the outside skin that can be removed and a BMW long bladed key to open.
Simplest solution is often best.

Hughandjen 28th April 2019 18:26

That does sound like the easiest solution
Thanks

Mike65 30th April 2019 15:55

Quite easy. Drill al hole in the new doorskin under the handle, weld the nut from the fake lock to a small plate en glue this insite of the new doorskin. You screw the fake lock in and out the new door skin

Mike65 30th April 2019 16:05

see link: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Rarel...13338.132070.0

Jaguartvr 30th April 2019 19:03

Perfect solution but I would try and source a car lock. A Chinese cabinet lock will probably rust solid as they are not intended for outdoor use.

Mike65 30th April 2019 21:48

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ifor-Will...-/253435079723

Jaguartvr 1st May 2019 07:49

Perfect

Mitchelkitman 1st May 2019 21:48

How about one of these... and a long key!
https://www.angclassiccarparts.co.uk...tcheon-tr2-tr3


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