Dino 206P - Page 7

Axel · #1 2nd November 2016, 09:32

Both sides welded in, sorry for the picture quality but germany is wet and dark at the moment so I cannot pull the car out of its garage...

Now comes a 5 days break, I promised family time and so there is no time for the car...

Axel · #2 10th November 2016, 07:27

Since the weather switched to winter this week with cold temperatures and lots of snow it is no fun in the workshop...so there is only minor progress.

I did the inner panels for the headlights and checked with the wheel, a tight fit, it is half an inch gap which should work I hope...

When I get home from work it is already dark when I go in the shop, so sorry for the bad pictures, but I want to keep you updated even if it is just minor progress or dark pictures...

garyh · #3 10th November 2016, 07:52

Morning Axel, not that cold in London... yet. The last shot really shows off the lovely shapes you have created. I could sit there all day, looking.

Axel · #4 11th November 2016, 08:00

Thanks Gary!

Took some pics this morning, finally a face...!

molleur · #5 12th November 2016, 01:35

More great work Axel!

BazMason · #6 21st November 2016, 15:13

Incredible build! Great stuff.

ftaffy · #7 11th December 2016, 05:00

Spend alot of time looking but rarely comment. Your build is so good it is worth breaking my silence, amazing stuff and thanks for sharing.

DaveP · #8 11th December 2016, 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftaffy

Spend alot of time looking but rarely comment. Your build is so good it is worth breaking my silence, amazing stuff and thanks for sharing.

Number of posts =1. Rarely is an understatement

It is a greet build and welcome to the forum as a poster ftaffy

Dave

Car photographer · #9 11th December 2016, 23:50

Amazing work

Axel · #10 12th December 2016, 06:19

Thanks a lot guys,
I am still working at it, but it is so many little details, brackets, reinforcements so I did not take the time to take pictures and post, but there is progress!

rossnzwpi · #11 14th December 2016, 22:09

awesome work as usual Axel. One question for you. How does photography equate to plans? I ask because I have been trying to get good plans for a Dino 246 body and the photos Ive found have an astonishing amount of distortion due to perspective & lens. If I'm not sure I can trust the outline drawings I've found on the net (or in the Dino workshop manual) how can photos work? I have the front panels of a real 246 in my garage and measuring them up - they just don't seem to overlay on photos.

Axel · #12 15th December 2016, 06:36

That is right Ross, you cannot take a sideview outline from photos, I always overlaid the photos I have taken from my car with some I found in the inet and tried to use the same distortion and lens.
I did not have a sideview outline from the 206SP, I found an old plan from an early 206SP but it was too unprecise.
What I did is I also played with some 3D files to generate outlines, but it did not work well...
So it is all based on the feeling for lines and proportions... but actually it should be much easier to find plans for the 246GT!!

You lucky bastard have original 246 panels? Or fiberglass Deon DGT or else?
The Deon is not based on the 246 but on the 206GT, I found out there is a big difference between the earlier 206 and the 246, front and back of the 206 are much lower, bumpers go down at the front, looks less attractive than the 246!

rossnzwpi · #13 23rd December 2016, 23:18

Hi Axel. The 206 doesn't look that different to the 246 and the bumpers etc don't go down much. The droopy front and back you refer to is, I think, because the replica moulds somewhere along the way were taken out too green and drooped. The progenitor was a genuine 206GT that a gentleman had a mould taken from and then he adjusted the length of the wheelbase slightly to suit his Lotus Europa chassis by shifting the rear wheel arches. DGT, Deon, etc are based on this faulty mould.

thecarbuilder246 · #14 15th December 2016, 08:37

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Originally Posted by rossnzwpi

awesome work as usual Axel. One question for you. How does photography equate to plans? I ask because I have been trying to get good plans for a Dino 246 body and the photos Ive found have an astonishing amount of distortion due to perspective & lens. If I'm not sure I can trust the outline drawings I've found on the net (or in the Dino workshop manual) how can photos work? I have the front panels of a real 246 in my garage and measuring them up - they just don't seem to overlay on photos.

Hi rossnzwpi
are you intending building your own dino?. I have a deon gt and to be honest I've fell out with it! I want to build my own chassis and fit a cascu body to it.
Do you have any chassis plans? I want to base it loosely around the dino chassis but I cannot find any plans anywhere.

Ian

rossnzwpi · #15 23rd December 2016, 21:32

Hi Axel and Ian,
yes I bought the front panels of a 246 GT from a panel beater who replaced them after a crash. He was going to repair and sell the panels but then ended up selling them to defray costs after a decade or so:

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/rossnzwpi/media/Dino246_front-panels_zps5iwmscjn.jpg.html?filters[user]=146005730&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1

I have considered building a DIY Dino replica and may start a thread here to gather ideas and designs. The Dino chassis is pretty old fashioned - large tubes (oval) as a flat platform with some raised parts over engine bay, front suspension and front bulkhead with minimal triangulation. I guess its pretty heavy and not that resistant to twisting. It does allow for low door sills and a flatfish floor. Personally I'd prefer to go for a multitube, highly triangulated chassis made out of smaller section mild steel tube (like a more sophisticated midengined Locost)

http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/rossnzwpi/media/246GT_chassis_blueprint_zpsfxumy6tw.jpg.html?filte rs[user]=146005730&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

rossnzwpi · #16 23rd December 2016, 22:04

Actually a chassis a bit like this one on the locust site, with lower sills is what I have in mind. Sorry if the photo links are not working:

rossnzwpi · #17 23rd December 2016, 23:28

A guy named Tim Wright has been designing an open source sportscar (mid engine Alfa V6+Alfa transaxle) and has 3D CAD modelled the engine and weighed it in minute detail. His chassis is a bit too wide and more of a track day car with limited door access but it is very interesting. In the interests of open source he might contribute his measurements and ideas (he is a suspension designer by trade)

his build diary:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/vie...p?f=14&t=13521

thecarbuilder246 · #18 24th December 2016, 09:45

Hi rossnzwpi

Funny that, a guy in england was selling a full front end just the same a few months back! went for silly money too!
Loved the 246 chassis plans-shame it's not bigger so I could study in detail!!
I had a visit to a small kit car recently company and they have given me a little food for thought. Alfa engine and an mr2 turbo gearbox. Search turbonutter lancia mr2. Interesting. Or the engine to go for lexus rx300 mr2 box, bolts straight up-no adaptors.
I'm trying to source a box at the moment and see if it'll bolt to my cosworth V6.Also looking at a focus rs box so I'll look at both. But really want to ditch the deon chassis.

Ian

rossnzwpi · #19 25th December 2016, 20:36

I was doing a search for chassis and came across this English company who will customise their design. It uses MGTF running gear and they size it as a replacement for VW beetle chassis in kitcars. Worth a look:
http://www.pievalleybuggies.co.uk/chassis.html

rossnzwpi · #20 31st December 2016, 04:17

"Do you have a date on the blueprint?" the legend on the blueprint says 4/3/69