Sammio for sale - Page 3

froggyman · #1 23rd September 2017, 14:06

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Originally Posted by jaguartvr

i don't want to have to pay for an mot every year, my old jag averages about 500 miles a year and hasn't had a failure in years.
I haven't heard about a rolling date for black and silver plates, as i understand it, it is still pre 1975.

1973?

smash · #2 23rd September 2017, 18:06

Phaeton - you are a total ****

Jaguartvr · #3 23rd September 2017, 18:33

I thought it was 1973 but came across a DVLA page that said it had been changed to 1975 in 2015.

Come on Smash, stop beating around the bush, say what you really mean!

scimjim · #4 23rd September 2017, 20:16

DVLA issued an INF sheet that stated black & silver plates could be used on historic class VED cars - unfortunately they did that before the C&U regs were changed (arse/elbow) but I don't think you'd be charged for that alone.

As for Phaeton, I'd love to have a constructive discussion about the UK laws surrounding the rebody of separate chassis vehicles - but you can't honestly expect that to happen with an aggressive opening statement like "It's an illegally registered car..." followed by "the vehicle is currently in an illegal state" they aren't "innocent questions" (they're not even questions), they're trolling - which no-one likes.

Mister Towed · #5 12th November 2017, 07:27

Nothing to do with me despite some of the pictures looking, ahem, familiar -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-S...sAAOSwvApaA~IJ

Would advise any potential buyer to hold off painting the body until it's fitted to the chassis and frame with your engine of choice installed. But, having the body pre-prep'd and primed will save you a lot of time, so long as it was done right in the first place.

lancelot link · #6 12th November 2017, 07:41

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Originally Posted by Mister Towed

Nothing to do with me despite some of the pictures looking, ahem, familiar -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-S...sAAOSwvApaA~IJ

Would advise any potential buyer to hold off painting the body until it's fitted to the chassis and frame with your engine of choice installed. But, having the body pre-prep'd and primed will save you a lot of time, so long as it was done right in the first place.

AGREED- I would go as far as to say , as attractive a proposition as it may sound to the potential buyer , having the car sprayed will be a total waste of time as it will DEFINITELY need painting again once it is built .....

The suggestion , as I see it , is the bodies just go straight on , few bolts , bit of fitting up and drive away ...we all know that's not how it works ...

Phaeton · #7 12th November 2017, 07:51

I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?

Mister Towed · #8 12th November 2017, 08:06

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?

Hi Phaeton, that's not a Troll type outrageous statement but a legitimate question. As I said at the outset, this ad is nothing to do with me and I don't know the seller.

Not sure how familiar you are with the Sammio rebody concept, but the V5 will be for the Triumph chassis. Once the Spyder body is bonded on, the builder makes an application to DVLA to change the identity to something that reflects the changes. I believe that is now done once you've MOT'd it in its new form, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly with a link to the current procedure (Paul?)

I'm a bit uncomfortable regarding the seller's use of images of 'my' Spyder (the silver one in case you weren't aware) as I no longer own the car and have a feeling that the new owner should have been asked first. I don't think it's worth trying to have them removed though as they're not copyrighted and I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest out of a molehill...

lancelot link · #9 12th November 2017, 08:11

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?

Ask the seller ...It doesn't say either way , but if a buyer has any concerns about that , they can be told which chassis has the V5 , if both haven't got id's and they can make the decision as to whether they choose to use the registered chassis or the unregistered one ...

I think the picture of a car that isn't actually a Sammio is more confusing !
I think that lead picture is a Morgan Special built in the U.S.

http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/f...-sports-racer/

redratbike · #10 12th November 2017, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?

Why not go and ask the guy selling the bits no of us know him

Phaeton · #11 12th November 2017, 10:10

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Originally Posted by redratbike

Why not go and ask the guy selling the bits no of us know him

So if you know him it's acceptable? If you don't it's not?

Barber · #12 12th November 2017, 10:22

You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.

Phaeton · #13 12th November 2017, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Barber

You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.

Is that not what I did last time? I had no comprehension that previously anyone knew the seller, it was a question about the validity of the documentation, as is this, last time you all jumped to the sellers defence, but it appears this time as you (collective you, not personal you) don't know the seller he is to be treat differently.

This whole issue has wide implications for the whole of the litcar industry, just look at Dutton's for instance, is it right that there are cars which did not exit the Dutton factory are running around with their V5C's claiming to be Dutton's & have not passed any IVA? I do understand this is not the same situation, but it is a very grey area which does the whole kitcar scene any good.

To Mr Towed if you have concerns about the images which are yours then I suggest contacting Ebay, but depending where they are currently available he maybe legally be able to use them, Copyright law is not my area & has some very strange exemptions.

Paul L · #14 12th November 2017, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

Is that not what I did last time?

No.

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

..it was a question about the validity of the documentation…

No it is wasn’t, because you used the word ‘ringer’ which means as a stolen car with a changed identity.

Which means any point you were trying to make was lost by accusing someone of being a car thief without providing any evidence.

Which is why you stand accused of a being a Troll.

If you are not a Troll, why not take a step back and start afresh by explaining why you decided to join a kit car forum in the first place?

peterux · #15 12th November 2017, 15:14

The ebay seller looks, at face value, like a genuine business but does seem to be in the habit of 'borrowing' other peoples pictures as you will see in their web page here....

https://www.rbwsportsandclassics.com/current-stock.html

Based on that I would steer well clear.....

(for readers who don't know, both the Sammio's in the picture were built by well known members of this forum and to the best of my knowledge their cars have not passed through this dealers hand)

Phaeton · #16 12th November 2017, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Paul L

No it is wasn’t, because you used the word ‘ringer’ which means as a stolen car with a changed identity.

Which means any point you were trying to make was lost by accusing someone of being a car thief without providing any evidence.

At no point did I accuse anyone of stealing, that is your interpretation, the word 'ringer' does not mean stolen, it's means a vehicle whose identify does not match the documentation. Although a vehicle that has been 'rung' could well be stolen, but it was clear in this instance it wasn't as you yourself put "Well, the good news is that just adding a stripe and some racing numbers increases a car's value by almost £2k" & that 'Micky' had sold it 2 weeks early on Ebay.

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Originally Posted by Paul L

If you are not a Troll, why not take a step back and start afresh by explaining why you decided to join a kit car forum in the first place?

Having been involved in kitcar's now for nearly 40 years (first purchase 1979) joining a kitcar forum seemed a logical thing to do, however why I should justify myself to you is beyond me, are you the owner of the site? In future please read what I write, not what you think I write.

Paul L · #17 12th November 2017, 16:32

My mistake, I should have written 'Do not feed'.

lancelot link · #18 13th November 2017, 08:12

I'm happy to discuss it with you Phaeton ...I totally get what your argument is , and you obviously know the kit car world and the Hot Rod world is full of cars with dubious or inaccurate registration issues ...each time DVLA amend the rules , it cleans some of it up and filters out real problem cars .....next years changes will do even more to clean up the system too ... Some of these cars were built at a time when it wasn't really an issue ...I have built cars in the past where virtually nothing was left of the original car , I have built new build cars back in the 90's where the V5 came from a third party donor which provided nothing to the table ...I have ''lost'' Q plate registrations and ''found'' age related registrations to help things on a bit .......it was going on all the time , an open secret , no one was fooling anyone ...... 90% of the Hot Rod world was doing it .....but , as times change , it has meant that the authorities are squeezing this issue , blaming coming in line with Europe , but we are trying to run away from Europe , so I don't buy that ...I just think they want to clean up the situation , make those extra V5's people have in the kitchen drawer harder to be of any value etc... any dormant V5's now are possibly subject to an inspection when resurrected ...so , its all getting sorted out ..kind of ...

I think peoples issue on here is that as a seasoned kit car enthusiast , you seem to have focused purely on registration issues and don't really contribute to the forum on any other level ...If you were a bit more vocal about other subjects , you wouldn't get the ''here we go again'' attitude ...just my opinion , not having a go ..just responding to your comments ....

Ironically , the S*mmio , Miglia , Formosa , Tribute range of cars are probably amongst the 'safest' range of cars in the whole registration debate ....taking advantage of the 8 point rulings and avoiding IVA. ( A big factor in my reasons for starting the S*mmio range in the first place as I could see the Hot Rod world getting harder and harder to survive in on a professional level )

I'd hate to see you banned or blocked , sometimes heated debate can result in that ...You clearly are an enthusiast with passion ..that's a valuable kind of forum member to have on here and I'd be very interested to know you on a more productive level than the one we are on right now ....

Phaeton · #19 24th November 2017, 16:36

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Originally Posted by lancelot link

I think peoples issue on here is that as a seasoned kit car enthusiast , you seem to have focused purely on registration issues and don't really contribute to the forum on any other level ...If you were a bit more vocal about other subjects , you wouldn't get the ''here we go again'' attitude ...just my opinion , not having a go ..just responding to your comments ....

I think this just came as a perfect storm, I don't often visit the forum, but I do like to lurk & look at some of the amazing work some of you guys do, I also cringe at some of the stuff others do. I had been discussing the issue of kitcars & what it says on the V5C with somebody that day & happened to stumble across this post that same night, so i asked the question & was immediately attacked, it appeared everybody on the site was in support of the fact it didn't matter, which I disagree with as it causes problems for the whole industry.

lancelot link · #20 13th November 2017, 08:25

Getting back on track ...

If any prospective buyers of the car being offered on ebay at present are reading this ....It might be worth asking the sellers if you can return the car to them for paint after you have fully fitted the body , made the cuts and tweaks they need etc. ...obviously geographical and financial restrictions might not make that practical , but if it was possible , that's the only way I see a paintjob to add any value to the package being offered ...