Are you madabout kit cars      
 "We've Got Kit Cars Covered" Information about Madabout-Kitcars.com Contact Madabout-Kitcars.com         Home of UK kit cars - madabout-kitcars.com Various kit car write ups All the latest kit car news Kit car related and general discussion

Search
Manufacturers
Kit Cars
Kit Car Data sheets
Picture Gallery
SVA Knowledgebase
Clubs & Communities
Build cost estimator
Kit cars for sale
Knowledge Base 
KitcarUSA.com
Classic-Kitcars.com
 

Go Back   Madabout Kitcars Forum > Mad Build Area > Vintage and Classic Roadster Kit Car Builds

Vintage and Classic Roadster Kit Car Builds For Vintage and Classic era kit cars. Post your build reports, problems and progress here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #481  
Old 16th August 2020, 16:56
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default Recent times

Hi Peter, just a little note to wish you and family well and hope none of you have been effected in any way and reason for your absent is that you are busy with the interior.
All the best.
Reply With Quote
  #482  
Old 16th August 2020, 20:47
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori View Post
Hi Peter, just a little note to wish you and family well and hope none of you have been effected in any way and reason for your absent is that you are busy with the interior.
All the best.
Hi Amir,
thank you for your concern and yes, we are all safe and well. The lack of updates is due to too many other non-car related projects :-)
No real progress since my last update but I hope to back working on my Sabre in the Autumn.
All the best, Peter
Reply With Quote
  #483  
Old 18th August 2020, 07:39
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default

Thank you for your reply and wish you all the very best.
Stay safe, Amir
Reply With Quote
  #484  
Old 21st December 2020, 08:53
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default

It is that time of the year, even though it is not anything we have experienced before, we can always wish one another all the very best for the future.
Have a wonderful Christmas and may you be blessed with a new year filled with all the good things you wish for.
Reply With Quote
  #485  
Old 22nd December 2020, 10:45
lordivanhoe lordivanhoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
lordivanhoe is on a distinguished road
Default Christmas Wishes

Quite right, Amir - a very Merry Christmas to you, and to Peter, and all that are following this epic build blog! Here's hoping for better and a chance to take to the road in 2021! Ivan :-)
Reply With Quote
  #486  
Old 24th December 2020, 19:11
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default Christmas and New Year

Thank you to you both for your best wishes.
Happy Christmas to all members and readers of this forum and let's all hope for a Happier New Year.
Reply With Quote
  #487  
Old 31st January 2021, 12:36
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default Royale Owners Club and members cars.

Dear Peter,
I hope 2021 started well for you and yours.
Below is a request from Barry Evans of R.O.C management, and as this was the only way I can get in touch with you I am forwarding it to you and hope it is ok;

Hi Amir,
Trusting you and your family are keeping well and safe.
As you will be aware I am trying to obtain as much information As I can to record for prosperity and accurate history of the Club and itís cars.
I see that you are friendly with Madaboutkitcars Peter who is painstakingly building a BMW powered Sabre. Is he a club member? Is there any chance you could ask him to contact me as we would like his chassis number, which I am now able to accurately decipher. This will help Peter to accurately create the 17 digit VIN which will be required for IVA. The numbers will retain the history of his Sabre.
Many thanks,
Barrie
01332 792738
07814 621376

Let's hope, for all our sakes, this pandemic becomes history soon.

Regards

Amir
Reply With Quote
  #488  
Old 31st January 2021, 21:17
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori View Post
Dear Peter,
I hope 2021 started well for you and yours.
Below is a request from Barry Evans of R.O.C management, and as this was the only way I can get in touch with you I am forwarding it to you and hope it is ok;
Hi Amir,
yes, I and my family are all thankfully well but I'm still struggling to find time in the garage :-)
(But I will be back soon, promise )

Yes, I am a ROC member so I had already sent Barrie details of my Sabre. But, I didn't mention to him that I am 'Peterux' so he didn't tie the two together. I've now dropped him a note to explain who I am.
Thanks for letting me know.

...peter
Reply With Quote
  #489  
Old 4th February 2021, 16:39
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default

Looking forward to seeing you back with the build and glad all is well.
Please stay safe.
Reply With Quote
  #490  
Old 5th February 2021, 15:12
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amir Manzoori View Post
Looking forward to seeing you back with the build and glad all is well.
Please stay safe.
Thanks, Amir.
But I think you have raised a good point that there may be others that follow my build thread who may have a Royale that they are building or restoring and who are not members of the owners club.
If there is anyone lurking here who owns a Royale car, then please supply details of your car to Barrie. (contact details above)
Reply With Quote
  #491  
Old 20th February 2021, 16:53
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default First 2021 update....

Well, after far too long, I managed to find a couple of hours in my garage this week. My last update was last May in the middle of the first lockdown when I was working on a centre console/arm rest which is still not complete.
The reason for the lack of progress was due to having an extension built on our cottage which was done by a builder but inevitably lead to a string of other jobs, like decorating, lighting, curtain rails and, not least, re-laying the patio. Despite three lockdowns, I've still not found much time to work my Sabre.
So back in the garage, the first job I've tackled is remounting the rear fog and reversing lamps. I had mounted these using the rather flimsy adjustable brackets that they came with. But they seemed to move every time I walked past the car which I was not happy about. Not wishing to fail the IVA test on something silly like this, I decided to sort this out and I have removed them and re-mounted them on some more substantial fixed brackets. I have also fitted the rear reflectors whilst I had the bumper off the car.(Nothing worth photographing)
I'm now working on the upper seat belt mounting points. My car was designed and manufactured in 1994 which was well before SVA/IVA and the seat belt mounting points are too low to meet the current requirements. One advantage of a 'somewhat protracted build schedule' means I've had lots of time to mull this kind of problem over and I think I have come up with an elegant solution. I'll take some photo's when it's finished.

...peter
Reply With Quote
  #492  
Old 20th February 2021, 17:45
Mister Towed's Avatar
Mister Towed Mister Towed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,199
Mister Towed is on a distinguished road
Default

Looking forward to seeing your seat belt solution, always seeking to snaffle good ideas
Reply With Quote
  #493  
Old 22nd February 2021, 16:19
Amir Manzoori Amir Manzoori is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ealing London
Posts: 45
Amir Manzoori is on a distinguished road
Default

Eagerly waiting to see your master piece which I am sure is going to be the best of it's kind. Going by what you have done on your sabre, I am sure the extension and decoration of the house must be first class too.
Good luck with everything.
Reply With Quote
  #494  
Old 27th February 2021, 19:15
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default Belted up.............

Thanks Amir and Mr. Towed.
--------------------------------------------------------
This week I've addressed a long standing issue that I've been aware off ever since I first got my Sabre.
As I said above, my car is a very early one manufactured in 1994, well before the SVA now replaced by the IVA test.
This is the diagram from the IVA manual that shows how to check the height of the upper anchorage point for the seat belts. The minimum height from the reference point 'R' is 450mm in the text. And as you can see the seat type and mounting height is also important.

IVA seatbelt height by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

This is the view of the Sabre's upper anchorage point as designed in 1994. The upright is welded to the chassis. The diagonal brace takes the seat belt upper mounting and the hood frame.

Hood frame and rear brace by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

On later Sabre's the seat belt mounting point is welded into the top of the vertical 'B' post. The post is longer making this point higher and the post is mounted more inboard so the diagonal is flat and bolted to the outside edge of the post.
Photo courtesy of Stewart Arnott
Later Sabre chassis by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I could have had the chassis reworked as this type of welding was way beyond my capability. Instead, I've raised the seatbelt mounting by welding a small plate to the diagonal and re-drilling the mounting hole in this plate. (The folding hood frame will need to be modified but that shouldn't be too difficult.) The plate is the same thickness as the original diagonal brace and I welded it on both sides to make it as strong as possible. In an accident, the weld will be mostly under compression.
I also plan to rework the interior trim so that it covers the diagonal upper edge.

Modified seatbelt diagonal by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

The IVA examiners have a special measurement tool with string and spirit levels. I improvised with a piece of timber mounted between the seatbelts. The top surface of the timber is the 'effective anchorage point'.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I made up the IVA specified 'distance piece' from a cereal carton. The cross section is exactly 136mm x 53mm

IVA distance piece by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I then clamped a steel rule to the timber and used my magnetic spirit level to make sure the steel rule was level.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr


I could then measure from the reference point to the horizontal steel rule.

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Seatbelt height measurement by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

My measurement comes out at 468mm so hopefully I have about 18mm 'contingency' for measurement error.

So, I think I've cracked this issue but if anyone can see a flaw in my solution please shout out as I'd rather know now than find out at the IVA test


....peter
Reply With Quote
  #495  
Old 28th February 2021, 09:59
Paul L's Avatar
Paul L Paul L is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wembley, London
Posts: 4,940
Paul L is on a distinguished road
Default

Peter - I assume the cardboard was set in position for the measurement?
(And just left laying flat in the photo.)

In which case, I think you have designed a way of matching the IVA measurement.

Not sure if I've posted this link before, or even if it covers seat belt mounting.
But it has a lot of practical demonstrations of the test and how to pass.

https://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/threads/...h-biva.405393/

Finally, the new welded plate is quite short (relative to the length of the original mounting bar).

So, I'd be tempted to bolt a cross brace bar between the two original pieces to form a triangle just in case.
(Assuming it wouldn't be in the way of any other fitting.)

Good luck, Paul.
Reply With Quote
  #496  
Old 2nd March 2021, 20:52
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
Peter - I assume the cardboard was set in position for the measurement?
(And just left laying flat in the photo.)
............
I'd be tempted to bolt a cross brace bar between the two original pieces to form a triangle just in case.
(Assuming it wouldn't be in the way of any other fitting.)

Good luck, Paul.
Hi Paul,
many thanks for your feedback and the BIVA link. I haven't read the whole thread yet (25 pages!!) but the description of the IVA test and failure points are always good learning points.
The photo's have 'flattened' my spacer piece. It is actually a box with six sides that lifts the ruler off the seat by the required amount. It just looks flat in the photo's.
I also like your idea of a cross brace. I'm not sure it's needed but I think it will be relatively simple to add so I'll take a look next time I'm in the garage.
cheers, Peter
Reply With Quote
  #497  
Old 6th March 2021, 19:24
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default Dash surround........

I'm not finished with the seatbelt mountings, but happy that I now have a solution I have moved on to the Dashboard Surround.
This is something that I've been putting off for a long time whilst considering whether to leave it as it is or try and change it.
From a distance, the leather covered dash surround looked smart but close up it was poorly finished and starting to come loose.

Dash surround by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr
But close up it didn't look so good.
This is an example of the finishing that could have been done neater, This is the passenger side top of the surround and was visible when the door was open.

Dash surround by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Also, the preformed glovebox was badly fitted and the hole in the dashboard surround looks like it was done in a hurry and doesn't match the 'box.

Glovebox by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Removing the leather cover was easy with just my fingers as the 25 year old evo-stick adhesive had gone brittle and crumbly. Of course, it then took me a few hours removing the old glue with adhesive cleaner.
This picture is the surround after I had cleaned it up and started filling the gaps around the glovebox.

Dash surround by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I then sanded and smoothed the filler.

Glovebox by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

And gave it a coat of primer.......

Glovebox by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I then checked what it looked like with the dash in place.....

Glovebox by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

It looks a lot better but needs a bit more filling and smoothing before I give it a coat of satin black.

More work planned on the surround next week............

........peter
.
Reply With Quote
  #498  
Old 13th March 2021, 19:41
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

I've done some more work on the dash surround this week....
First, I sprayed three coats of satin black paint to finish off the glovebox.

Glovebox by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I then fitted a couple of LED footwell lights to the rear lower edge of the surround.

Footwell lights by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Footwell lights by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

The connection from the heater box to the built in de-mister vents in the surround is via this small steel pipe. The original builder had glued these in with clear silicone and after +24 years they were less than secure. The pipes were slightly rusty so I removed them for a coat of paint. I plan to re-fix them with PU adhesive.

Demister vent hose connection by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Before re-covering the surround I had to try and make it IVA compliant.
The IVA standard requires that the lower edge of the dashboard is either greater than 19mm radius or greater than 5mm with padding that can be depressed with your thumb. The bottom edge of the Sabre dashboard surround is about 10mm radius so I have covered it in a layer of EVA foam. I'm hoping that this will be enough!!

Lower dashboard treatment by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Technically, I only needed to pad the lower edge of the surround but that would give the lower edge a different profile to the rest of the surround so I covered all edges to keep it looking consistent.

Dash surround by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

So, all I have to do now is cover it in a new piece of vinyl!!

...peter
Reply With Quote
  #499  
Old 22nd March 2021, 18:33
peterux's Avatar
peterux peterux is offline
Senior Member
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,932
peterux is on a distinguished road
Default

Skipping back a couple of weeks, Paul made this comment about my upper seatbelt mounting point..........
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul L View Post
Finally, the new welded plate is quite short (relative to the length of the original mounting bar).
So, I'd be tempted to bolt a cross brace bar between the two original pieces to form a triangle just in case.
(Assuming it wouldn't be in the way of any other fitting.)
Good luck, Paul.
I've had a look at Paul's suggestion but I don't think it would add much strength because the upright, diagonal and the chassis are already effectively
a large triangle.
However, it did prompt a new idea........
I've added a 6mm thick plate across the welded extension plate. This 'locks' in position the original diagonal to the upright support. This makes an extremely strong arrangement and the extra plate would stop the diagonal tearing away from the welded piece in an accident.

Seatbelt support by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

Here is a view of the upper seatbelt mount from above with the extra plate.

Seatbelt support by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

And for completeness, here's a photo of where the seatbelt diagonal is bolted to the chassis.

Seatbelt support by Sabrebuilder, on Flickr

I'm now happy with this arrangement and I can cross this task of my list.

I'm now working on covering the dashboard surround and will post some pictures next week.

Stay safe..............peter
Reply With Quote
  #500  
Old 22nd March 2021, 19:27
Mitchelkitman Mitchelkitman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: norfolk
Posts: 622
Mitchelkitman is on a distinguished road
Default

Just a small thought..... do you need to use dome head screws, or covers over the existing hex screws to make the IVA compliant?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +0. The time now is 02:44.

copyright © madabout-kitcars.com 2000-2021
terms and conditions | privacy policy