Garyh's Sammio build - Page 25

Paul L · #**481** 18th July 2014, 09:09

Gary - Brave? No. Stupid? Yes.

Good luck, Paul.

PS
I've cycled from Euston to my house via Paddington & it is up hill to here, but down hill back.

garyh · #**482** 25th July 2014, 10:51

I liked the colour combination.

GazDavies · #**483** 25th July 2014, 13:12

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Originally Posted by garyh

I liked the colour combination.

Maybe you will see a similar colour combination on a Sammio in the not too distant future

garyh · #**484** 25th July 2014, 18:55

Aargh... Very interesting!

garyh · #**485** 13th August 2014, 07:36

How about this colour, it certainly stood out.

davecymru · #**486** 13th August 2014, 09:42

Personally I've always liked that colour and "back in the day" it was the colour i painted my first ever _proper_ radio controlled car!

Looks even nicer full-scale

garyh · #**487** 14th August 2014, 08:17

Hers one for Scottie.

Scottie22 · #**488** 14th August 2014, 15:14

Nice one Gary!!

Thank goodness our cars don't have to meet new "safety standards"

garyh · #**489** 15th August 2014, 08:22

If i was looking for a cheap car to take an engine and gearbox/wiring from for the Vitesse, what options would fit...
Mazda MX5 or...

Mister Towed · #**490** 15th August 2014, 11:31

...anything that'll mate to a Ford Type 9 gearbox. The prop shaft for that is available off the shelf at Canley's making it a fairly simple conversion -

http://www.canleyclassics.com/?xhtml...sl=product.xsl

That gives you the option of some cheap, small, light, tuneable and (relatively) powerful engines like the Rover K series or Ford Zetec 1.8/2.0. My choice for another Spyder build would be a 1.7 Zetec SE/Sigma motor from a Puma. At 81kg's and 123bhp it'd be perfect for an agile sprint or hillclimb car.

Mister Towed · #**491** 15th August 2014, 14:49

Having said all that, I've just been out for a blast in my Spyder for the first time since getting back from Italy. I'd almost forgotten what a fantastic engine the straight six is in these cars, powerful enough, torquey and so full of character. If you can fit it under the bonnet there really isn't a better engine to use for a road biased car.

garyh · #**492** 15th August 2014, 14:51

I agree T, but i'm worried how much a rebuild will be? against £300 for a whole car...

swifty · #**493** 15th August 2014, 15:14

Gary if you are going down the ford route then give these guys a call www.northwestpropshafts.com they supplied a made to measure prop shaft fully balanced to me for a ford type 9 gearbox to spitfire diff (flange plate and spline shaft included) for £100 + vat delivered 48hrs after placing the order, excellent service and it will take up to 175 bhp or a heavy duty up to 250 bhp for £125 + vat.

I think the canleys prop is £170 + p&p + vat.

I've put a Ford type 9 on to a straight six so if you want to see roughly what's involved then here's the link http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...?t=4861&page=3, its not too difficult and so far I've done most of the work myself to save a few quid as the conversion kit is expensive. Also with the conversion the gear stick is slightly farther back than a standard triumph box which i think is beneficial to the seating position.

At the end of the day it depends on the budget available and how far you want to go.

Mister Towed · #**494** 16th August 2014, 07:34

Very useful link that Swifty, I'd just assumed that a bespoke prop would be megabucks.

Did you have to provide the dimensions required and send them your own flanges?

Purpose made props at that price opens up a lot of other engine options, but finding information on weight/dimensions/ecu and fueling requirements seems to be a bit hit and miss.

Apart from the Puma and MGF engines, motors I've considered also include: Honda S2000 (too expensive); Mazda RX8 (too fragile?); BMW straigt six (too big?); and the range of Mercedes supercharged 4 pots complete with six speed manual 'box, or maybe even their 320 V6 (dimensions anybody?).

One rather worrying development, however, is that both the alternative engined Sammios that I'm aware of - one with MX5 1.8 power and the other with a BMW 1.8 four - seem to have stalled (excuse the pun) as the Mazda one was just sold unfinished on ebay and the BMW conversion has gone very quiet after a promising start.

My thinking if I were to build a lighter, faster, track focused Spyder would be to go with an established conversion, such as the Puma option, and buy a complete, running Puma to donate its engine, ancillarys, ecu and loom.

That's a project for two years' time though when I'll have more time and money...

swifty · #**495** 16th August 2014, 07:49

MrT Northwest prop shafts email a form for you to fill in with the information they require to make a bespoke prop, they also supply the flange and spline shaft for the type 9 fitted to the prop so all in all its very reasonable.

I think that when deciding on fitting a different power unit you have to have a bit of knowledge about what is required i.e. the engine/gearbox mounts, fuel delivery and the physical space required for the power unit to sit correctly.

Any way Gary good luck with the research and who knows this may become a special one off spyder.

garyh · #**496** 22nd August 2014, 20:35

Ive found a Puma engine... so do i need a type 9 gearbox?

Mister Towed · #**497** 22nd August 2014, 21:12

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Originally Posted by garyh

Ive found a Puma engine... so do i need a type 9 gearbox?

Try speaking to these people -

http://www.rwdmotorsport.com/zetec-s...llhousing.html

Good luck, I'll be watching with interest...

garyh · #**498** 22nd August 2014, 21:18

Hi T, its a Zetec S 1700 95,000 miles no leaks etc... would i need to get the wiring loom/ engine mounts???

swifty · #**499** 23rd August 2014, 08:44

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Ive found a Puma engine... so do i need a type 9 gearbox?

The puma is front wheel drive and the type 9 gearbox is for a rear wheel drive engine which was fitted to most rear wheel drive fords for example latter model capri's and the sierra range.
If you are thinking of using the type 9 on a triumph engine then you need the long input shaft type 9 gearbox which was fitted to the larger v6 engine fords. The length of the input shaft is 207mm where as the short shaft version is 175mm which wont locate into the crank shaft bush.

There is plenty of info on the net to help you along if you want to go the diy way rather than buy an off the shelf conversion kit or if i can help give me a shout.

redratbike · #**500** 23rd August 2014, 13:08

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Originally Posted by garyh

Ive found a Puma engine... so do i need a type 9 gearbox?

have a read here...info regarding that engine in all its capacities

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthre...etec-SE-engine

"You may aswell just do a 2.0L zetec conversion as its about the same power, cheaper, easier to fit and easier to tune up"