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Old 12th April 2013, 21:04
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just found an old pic:



good luck with the build - we must be due some sun soon :-)
I think it looks fantastic as it is(was).
And it has a roof.....
and a screen
Nice wheels too.....
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Old 12th April 2013, 21:19
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Nice wheels too.....
Believe it or not they're standard fibreglass trims on steels
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Old 12th April 2013, 21:25
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Well, I like!
Looking at this pic must make you weep?
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Old 12th April 2013, 22:06
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I sold it for a fair price to someone that didn't look after it as well as I did (his car, his choice) - I've had several before and since.

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Old 13th April 2013, 01:44
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No doubt our American cousins would call this lovely car the '8 Ball Express'.

I wonder if the police in America play 'Pool' the same way that the urban myth (?) over here suggests the UK police play 'Snooker' on the motorway?
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Old 13th April 2013, 11:40
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Time for a recap.

I bought the Scimitar in August 2011 to take part in the Guild of Motor Endurance 'London to Athens commemorative run' in September 2012.

Shortly thereafter I saw the Sammio advert for re-bodying the Scimitar and I visited the Exeter Kit Car show in October 2011 and paid a deposit for a kit.

I had the Scim extensively checked over by Queensberry Road Garage and all faults listed (worn track road ends - welding to the passenger seat belt bracket) and drove the Scimitar to Sammio Cars in Poole.

I hoped that once the body had been removed and welding done I would visit then recover the reusable parts from the donor.

As the build progressed I made stage payments (I'm not THAT stupid) with someone hired to rewire, paint etc as my funds allowed.

My mentor (Peter Herbert of Fairthorpe Club fame) had died a few years previously and I wanted this car to honour his memory. My father had passed away in early 2011 and I used much of the small inheritance he left to fund the project. Both he, my late mother and Peter would have been thrilled if I had been able to complete the road trip in the G46.

Unfortunately, for reasons explained elsewhere, the order was not fulfilled and the incomplete G46 was moved from Poole to the workshop of Tribute Automotive for completion of the minimum order.

The car had been left unprotected and is in a worse state than expected I do not apportion any blame to Tribute Automotive for this.

While at Poole someone removed the carb air cleaner, smashed the oil filler cap and took out the spark plugs. If it got them out of a hole, fair enough.

I do not know if the engine is ok but there is a lot of fibre glass dust around the carb. I did not have the opportunity to source the donor parts which were disposed of.

With the benefit of hindsight I made a mistake - however we move on.

Styling - my view is that the back of the car looks ok, but a little deep at the rear. The front needs some styling work - the bonnet hump is too pronounced, the wings a little too deep and the radiator intake too narrow - just a few tweaks then....

That's it for now - will be busy emptying my workshop of rubbish before installation of what my partner calls the new 'Garden Ornament' or the 'White Elephant' depending how kind she is feeling..

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Old 13th April 2013, 12:05
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Well!!! I do hope you can pick yourself up from this and prove your partner wrong. It would appear you have had more than your fair share of bad luck with this project but rest assured you will get plenty of encouragement from members of this forum.
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Old 13th April 2013, 12:27
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Ref those gauges, from looking at that pic they look to be in the same exterior state as my old Triumph ones. i.e. All exterior surface rust and no real problems.

I'd say give them a go and see what happens.

Apart from that, i feel for you, but I'm glad that you are now where you are and look forward to seeing the progress
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Old 13th April 2013, 13:21
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froggyman, davecymru, many thanks.

I had to reign in my real feelings (anger, frustration, bitterness) since the car was not in my possession, but the feelings pass and we must make the best out of it. I could have sued people and got close to it but I don't believe in the 'claim culture' and people did try their best to resolve issues rather than just walking away..

Could be worse.

I've not made up my mind over the dash design - so I may seek alternative gauges any way. I just haven't got a feeling of the style I'm going for yet..

Need to move it to the workshop and have a real good walk round /think /mock up a few ideas - next weekend maybe.
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Nike55

Good you got the car home, now the summers is coming you can make some headway it looks as if up till now you been through the ringer.

Charlie and I are getting stuck into our again it will be good if other G46 builders begin to emerge from their winter hibernation.

If we can help give us a shout.
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Well, Nike, it looks like you have displayed the patience of a saint so far; a trait that will come in very handy during the build! I wish you the best of luck. From reading between the lines, I think you are due some.
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Old 14th April 2013, 23:10
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Charman.tech, many thanks for your kind comments - I hope now to be able to contribute to the site more meaningfully, although most G46 builders are ahead.

I'm thinking of taking the body off the chassis for inspection and repair (as I don't know what's under it). While the body is off I plan to re design the attachment areas, certainly the 1" square 'goalposts' have not been rounded off and I'm thinking of detaching these and using 2" dia cds tubing at the front and behind the occupants.

On the following shot you'll note the rear bulkhead centre support seems a little far back compared to the glassed in ply area, I'm thinking of cutting it all out and starting again here too with 2" cds, following the contours of the hump and suitably braced - probably running back to the rear fuel tank.



I'm not too sure about the tank as it sits in the chassis rails at the rear see here:



I've got an XJ6 in the workshop and I might just fit the twin tanks..I was hoping to keep things simple and the stainless tank is in good nick, just needs the filler moving elsewhere maybe...


Oxford1360 - Thanks, its been a freaking nightmare - now looking forward to 'getting at it'.

I quit my job in November 2011 really in preparation for 2012 and building the car - time got away from me, so its now going to be a two year sabbatical!

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Old 15th April 2013, 07:51
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Charman.tech, many thanks for your kind comments - I hope now to be able to contribute to the site more meaningfully, although most G46 builders are ahead.

I'm thinking of taking the body off the chassis for inspection and repair (as I don't know what's under it). While the body is off I plan to re design the attachment areas, certainly the 1" square 'goalposts' have not been rounded off and I'm thinking of detaching these and using 2" dia cds tubing at the front and behind the occupants.

On the following shot you'll note the rear bulkhead centre support seems a little far back compared to the glassed in ply area, I'm thinking of cutting it all out and starting again here too with 2" cds, following the contours of the hump and suitably braced - probably running back to the rear fuel tank.





I'm not too sure about the tank as it sits in the chassis rails at the rear see here:



I've got an XJ6 in the workshop and I might just fit the twin tanks..I was hoping to keep things simple and the stainless tank is in good nick, just needs the filler moving elsewhere...


Oxford1360 - Thanks, its been a freaking nightmare - now looking forward to 'getting at it'.

I quit my job in November 2011 really in preparation for 2012 and building the car - time got away from me, so its now going to be a two year sabbatical!
Nike55

We ended up getting rid of the 1" square tubing (to sharp) built ply bulkheads back and front shaped tight to to body profiles and then cut the tubing out. Having said that we will have a proper roll cage fitted as per "Hawk 289 FIA"

Because we never had a tank (original rusted out) and the fact we could not get a spare wheel into the boot area especial our 6J wire wheels on 185's we have decided to use a aluminium rectangular fuel tank up against the rear bulkhead bulk head possibly a safer place for it, being forward of the rear axle
and use the area of the original tank to suspend the spare wheel externally. The tank wont be large 40 Litres or so but have never found that an issue on this type of car as it is not exactly your daily commute.

Quitting the job seems to be a bit dramatic to get the build done luckily fr me I think I will be retired before ours is finished.
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Old 15th April 2013, 10:35
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Hi Charman.Tech.

I was getting ahead of myself in quitting but I needed a break. I've been volunteering at a local hospital and have occasional casual work which is fine, I just got hacked off working for soulless multinationals and my work / life balance just wasn't.

Getting back on thread; I like where your going with yours. The spare mounted low where the tank used to sit will give a bit of useful trunk space above.

A bit unhappy about throwing out my nearly new stainless steel tank though...quite handy for long distance trips..and good for balancing out the big lump up front (me)

I need to make critical weight/space decisions..and minor redesign decisions and etc...
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Old 15th April 2013, 14:22
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I think everything has been said, so good luck with the build... keep the photos coming.
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What is the issue with the fuel tank? The body shell has a piece shaped to take the filler cap with the tank in the normal place.

Boot space is tight at the back but you can put bi useful storage bins behind the drivers seats.

Spare tyres will fit in the boot if you feel you need one but when was the last time you had a flat tyre while out driving? Carry a can of the spray grunge and it will get you home
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Old 15th April 2013, 18:15
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Nike55 - Some of your words and photos do make for some pretty grim reading.
So I hope that with everything finally back in your procession that you can re-set your build from here.
Unfortunately you can't undo the road you have already travelled along, so you are right to look forward.
Also if you are going to be able to work on the car "full time" as it were, then this should really be a big help.

Finally, I hadn't picked up on the fact you are based in Watford, as this means we are practically neighbours.
Hopefully we can meet up one day to compare builds (assuming I can make some real progress myself ).

Good luck, Paul.
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Obligatory ridiculous image of newly delivered G46 from Dorset.



Now the fun begins -- after I stop sobbing over what they've done to my Scimitar...

Thanks to Lancelot Link and Mikmiglia for concept and basic body.

Huge thanks to Chris Welch at Tribute Automotive for recovery of vehicle to their base last November and for arranging the VOSA inspection yesterday and the same day recovery of the vehicle to Watford by Andy and Jordan.
Nike, I saw the cut up body down in poole before Gaz took over and got your body made. I took some photos and it gave me lots of reference on where to cut and how to progress my build. I have the same early se5 so the heater dash area was key. Huge thankyou from me.

You are futher ahead than you think, here is a few pluses

A VOSA inspection completed so once less hoop to jump through.

The bonnet has been strengthened for the flip lid and dropping or removing the servo will let it shut fully.

The headlights have not been cut out so you can position them forwards and cut out to the side ot to your liking.

The body is mounted on the chasis so no aligning to do (unless it is not cetred on the wheel arches)

The scimitar wiring is well colour coded and easy to reuse, especially if you are thinking of keeping the same dials and guages. ( all 40 year old dials have a little surface rust on the ouside from the condensation that forms inside a fibreglass car over the winter. A little rub and polish will have them like new.)

My doors are also too big for the opening. I suspect the moulding is off another vehicle and GWA's build has some idea on how modify the SE hinges.

The scimitar racing guys replace the drivers floor with a flat sheet, like andrew hush to save weight and enable the seat to be fastered to the chasis not the fibreglass.

You still have a sound donor, other than the engine all still intack and working?

Now it is at your home, you like me can have hours of fun planning how you are going to finish it.

I also have some round tube and a large pipe bender I am going to use for the rear body support and plan to attach it the scimitar roll over points behing the doors, rather than the fibreglass body it is configured for.

Personally I like the large stainless tank, but would like to raise the rear body between the humps to give more boot space.

Nike, Enjoy your build.
I will enjoy watching you progress.

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Old 16th April 2013, 09:22
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HH - many thanks for your positive and really useful comments.

I'm glad the donor provided suitable reference points for you, I didn't get the chance to see it at Poole.

I was keen to get Chris Welch at Tribute Automotive to have it VOSA'd by the friendly and knowing inspectors at Bournemouth as my nearest centre is the dreaded Borehamwood. There was a delay from Jan to April as the key man had at B'mouth left and Chris had to get the new guy trained up!

I simply wrapped her up on arrival so haven't poked about too much but dropping the servo and getting bits to fit will be a priority before the body comes off.

The headlights not being cut out was a bonus, but I now have to decide where they go. Too far either way and it won't look right.

I have to get it into the shop, levelled and marked up to see if all is aligned.

Of the gauges only the orig tacho, water and oil temp worked properly, everything else was rather dodgy - I suspected power supply probs. I will spend a bit on new gauges to get a period feel. The Odometer/speedo calibration was way off 40 mph shown at 30 mph...

The doors didn't seem too far out - didn't seem to fit due to excess glassing on the body - will trim then see. LL advised the door moulding was off the Spyder. Might glass them in...Jury's out on that.

Chris Welch has some Aston style hinges which might fit the bill as scissor, suicide and Tiger Moth styles have now been discounted.

Thanks for tip on flat floor. Woke up last night dreaming about side exit Cherrybombs as the car morphed into a Cobra....had to remind myself of the C-Type.

The area of the humps backwards is a definite redesign tweak. I don't need too much space and I'm sure I can do something about the size and weight of the spare (maybe a space saver)

I'm hoping the engine is ok - will try a start once I've inspected the bores and 'prepped - although I've got an alternative engine that could be fun to rebuild and fit, but that might be considered a Radically Altered Vehicle and be subject to IFA?

As with Charman.Tech this will probably now be a retirement project.

I've opted out of Patounes future thread's - far too depressing!

Later posts well be shorter.
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Old 16th April 2013, 12:29
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I wouldn't get too depressed about the speed of Patoune's builds - he just demonstrates to us amateurs what a pro going at it full time with a properly equipped workshop and a dedicated team of specialists can achieve.

For us part-time amateurs who have to make it up as we go along, a couple of years is the likely timescale. And why not. It is, after all, just a hobby for us.
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