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12th November 2019, 09:13
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Daihatsu Copen 356....
This caught my eye as I thought it might be a new option -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-3...S/174092209081
Then I read the description which is quite interesting - "BEFORE I GET ASKED ABOUT IVA INSPECTION,I HAVE REMOVED METAL FROM THE BODY (NOT JUST TRIMMING WHEEL ARCHS) SO IF YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY ANAL THEN YES IT DOES.WHAT I CAN SAY IS IT’S NOT BEEN CUT IN HALF AND WELDED BACK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE THE CORRECT WHEELBASE LIKE YOU WOULD USING A BEETLE DONOR WHICH DEFINITELY NEEDS AN IVA BUT IS RARELY DONE."
Hmmm, it is not easy to tell from the only photo, but it looks like the removal of metal might have included the surround for that big bit of glass that you look through...
I have just had a better look at a Copen and the dimensions aren't bad, and the door shapes are OK. If you remove bumpers, bonnet and boot, the silhouette is quite sleek. The main problem is...it's a Copen.
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12th November 2019, 18:53
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It's idiots like this that give our hobby a bad name.
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13th November 2019, 06:19
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The wheelbase is 5" too long so it might look a little odd and it'll probably need IVA, but otherwise, I can't see an issue with it.
It's just the same donor + kit formula that's been used for 60 odd years in our hobby but using a cheap and ugly modern donor that will benefit from the makeover. Very similar in concept to the current crop of Z3 based body kits.
It'll take quite a lot of money and work to finish to a good standard, but I feel it'd be worth the effort for someone.
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13th November 2019, 07:33
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I thought it looked pretty good but only 1 photo.
As the windscreen and surround has been removed from the donor I don't think it stands a chance of being registered without an IVA.
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13th November 2019, 08:05
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The windscreen surround forms part of the monocoque so it has been cut into. It will need IVA to be legal. There might have been other donor options which may have avoided IVA but not this one.
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13th November 2019, 08:05
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I agree. I think it is doable if you blend the 356 roofline to the existing windscreen and get the wheelarches in the right place. Interestingly, the latter don't look too bad in the pic.
It was the seller's description that was the problem for me. I can't imagine an MOT tester not noticing that the original windscreen has gone.
I also think he has taken the doors off the Copen otherwise the positioning would be all wrong. The distance between B pillar and the rear wheel is much longer than on the 356.
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13th November 2019, 09:00
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I noticed the windscreen removal,but also the top of the scuttle/bulkhead.
When Banham reemoved the screen in the past he provided replacement sections to reinforce the removed structure..
Is this still legal(ie the Banham method)?
Given that the structure can't be seen from the picture, there is no way it can be assessed .
From what I see I think that a full roll cage for the passenger compartment(obviously) would be the only way forward
It would become quite an expensive car,I'd expect
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13th November 2019, 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stonefree
When Banham reemoved the screen in the past he provided replacement sections to reinforce the removed structure..
Is this still legal(ie the Banham method)?
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I suspect this method would put the builder entirely at the mercy of the IVA tester - whether in his/her opinion the reinforcement 'replaced' the removed parts. There would be little the builder could do if the car failed in this way.
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13th November 2019, 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stonefree
I noticed the windscreen removal,but also the top of the scuttle/bulkhead.
When Banham reemoved the screen in the past he provided replacement sections to reinforce the removed structure..
Is this still legal(ie the Banham method)?
Given that the structure can't be seen from the picture, there is no way it can be no way this can be assessed .
From what I see I think that a full roll cage for the passenger compartment(obviously) would be the only way forward
It would become quite an expensive car,I'd expect
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The Metro based Banhams along with the Skoda based Banham Speedster wouldn't stand a chance at IVA. Even under the old system they were questionable.
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13th November 2019, 09:08
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Only 1 photo? Seems odd .. sets alarm bells ringing
Probably found out he can’t do anything with it without Iva
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13th November 2019, 09:29
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There’s a fiat barchetta with a 356 front and rear on up for sale at the moment for for £3k
Looks a bargain
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13th November 2019, 10:18
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That seems a sensible buy
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13th November 2019, 11:00
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I think the point people may be overlooking is that it will probably fail the IVA test due to cutting the monoquoc structure. It's now only worth the value of GRP body. And unlike the BMW z3 conversions its not a simple rebody.
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13th November 2019, 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redratbike
There’s a fiat barchetta with a 356 front and rear on up for sale at the moment for for £3k
Looks a bargain
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Does anyone have a link to this?
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13th November 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Jaguartvr
Does anyone have a link to this?
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It’s for sale on Facebook think the guy is in the czech republic
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14th November 2019, 18:58
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Its about 8 grand too much
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13th November 2019, 11:27
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It's 9 Grand , and "agressively marketed" as they say
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13th November 2019, 12:48
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Hi, I have never seen a 356 Coupe on a Daihatsu Copen but I have seen a 356 Speedster on the same car. A company in Japan called Ducks Garden sells kits.
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13th November 2019, 13:23
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From a lot of angles it looks like a Nissan Figaro rather than a Speedster.
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