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Old 30th January 2016, 19:38
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Horrible accident, glad he's okay.
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Old 27th February 2016, 12:24
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Molleur - Welcome to my build thread.

As I said, the guy seems very positive, as he knows he was a bit too close to death for comfort.

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Another Month Bites The Dust….
I've just got back from my second trip to the dentist in two weeks.

So I'd better be quick before the anesthetic fully wears off…

It looks like I might finally have some time available to work on the car in March.

That is assuming I am not still "rattling" due to all the antibiotics & pain killers I've been on lately.

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Brunswick Green:
I hadn't realised that the Flying Scotsman was going to be in London last week.
( Or I would have made the effort to see it in action. )



Something tells me that my paint job will not look quite as good.

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Until next time, take care, Paul.

PS
The feeling is already returning to my jaw, so I'm off to lie down for a bit.
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Old 27th February 2016, 14:12
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Back in the school days the flying Scotsman ran along the back of my junior school in B
Bingham. Nice to see it running again.
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Old 28th February 2016, 20:39
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Not long to March now Paul! Looking forward to your updates

Good luck!
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Old 11th March 2016, 22:27
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Well its March now and I thought as the weather is still so cold you might want some more reading and as I am getting to the latter stages I found this link on the forum on Car Photographer'so thread about painting. Interesting take on not using etch primer. Looks like I'll be sanding that off mine then although not used a huge amount. Here it is... http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/additio...s-preparation/
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Old 12th March 2016, 05:18
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Just a flying visit…
I'll be heading back to the dentist later today more root canal work.

I've also been very busy at work, as I'm reaching the closing stages of my current project.

But this does mean I will soon have a better idea of the time available for car work before the next project starts.

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Car Noob - I must try harder to see this engine in action next time it is heading to London.

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Jones - Thanks for the link.

Believe it, or not, but I actually read it last night and have just posted a reply on Car Photographer's thread.

In between the recent 'flaming' in the Tribute section there was also these useful painting tips.

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… Dampness is also an enemy of paint work, micro blister in paint is 99 times out of 100 due to moisture either in the air during priming, Primer being left too long before paint being applied,( primer is porous) or moisture in the air line...
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… Personally I would never advise driving a car in primer of any sort for any length of time. more so at this time of year, I have seen so many paint jobs ruined because of this…
So apart from using primer outside in less than ideal weather, leaving parts of my car in primer for years and planning to get it MOT'd like that, I should be fine.

Jokes aside, these days I'm very tempted to aim for a rough paint finish right from the start.

This month's 'Classic & Sports Car' features a 1937 Wolseley that is on the road in 'barn find' condition.
( Although I can't find a better photo of it on line. )



I also remember Mister Towed posting this photo from Goodwood.

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And I've always said I'd like my car to be good enough for Goodwood.

Cheers, Paul.
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Old 12th March 2016, 09:08
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I think the "Racetrack Refugee" look could work Paul.

Take a look here it might inspire
http://www.rustypaint.com/Testimonials.php
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Old 13th March 2016, 07:10
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Roadster - I like the idea of a 'Racetrack Refugee', but not necessarily the rusty look for this car.
( Although I am a big fan of 'Sin City Motors' and rat rods. )

So I should really give a better explanation of the photos I used in my last post.

I don't want to create fake patina to make the car look older than it is, as that is way beyond my skill levels.

It is more me accepting there is a limit to the standard of paint finish I can achieve working outside with a brush.

I will still try to achieve the best finish that I can, but, deep down, I know it will not end up looking as good as this.



The key, for me at least, is seeing other cars that are "lived in" being enjoyed for what they are, regardless of paint finish.

Here is another car at Goodwood, that certainly appears to have had a hard life.





I certainly hope no one criticised the fact it didn't have perfect, shiny paint!

So my plan remains to get the car MOT'd in primer (just incase I need to make any further mods to get a pass).

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Jeff - Welcome to my build thread.

Fair play for working your way though this thread, it is certainly a lot longer than I hoped it would be when I started.

Spooky that you should mention Preston Road, as that is where I was suffering in the dentist's chair yesterday.
( My jaw still aches this morning. )

I think that rusty paint is an amazing thing, but as I said above, not what I am aiming for on this build.

Also, I don't want you to think I am ignoring your good advice on how to get a great paint finish either.
( As it is nice to have the experience of a professional on the forum. )

Again, it is more like there is a definite limit to what I can achieve, so I just need to accept that and be happy.

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Steam Punk
While looking through Google Images yesterday, this popped up.



Again, just because it isn't a shiny one, doesn't mean it wont turn heads.

Take care, Paul.
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Old 13th March 2016, 07:59
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I understand Paul
Old race cars were not lovingly painted. The Jaguars were painted in that dark green because there was a surplus of army drab which they mixed a little black into it.
Germany adopted silver as their race colour so they didn't have to paint them at all
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Old 13th March 2016, 08:38
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Paul, you've got me thinking about the acid etch, when I bought my paint pack I explained what it was for and bought on the suppliers recommendations, including etch primer, a trawl of the net finds a mixed bag of those in favour and against. I think now. A test spray on a hidden piece to see how it reacts may be worthwhile, would like my paint to key but not at the cost of strength to the grp.
I don't think I would remove what you've applied, any damage would have been done by now wouldn't it?
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Old 13th March 2016, 10:28
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Both the online paint supplier and a local guy i used for paint sundries advised against etch primer on fiberglass with celly paint, what they did advise was to use a primer used on plastic bumpers to give a good key and help to seal the fiberglass surface which was put on first before any paint work commenced.

This is what i used.

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The spray finished surface has a metallic satin look.

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I do know there are guys on here who have used etch primer and are not reporting any issues as of yet so mixed messages possibly but my gut feeling was to follow the advice from people who work with paint.
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Old 13th March 2016, 11:15
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Novice sprayer, never even held a rattle can before -



Using professional grade tools to mix the paint, well, if I were a chef -



Took advice from the paint manufacturer, Jawel, to use etch primer beneath high build primer -



Then direct gloss cellulose -



Resulted in an authentic fifties patina paint finish, shiny but not over glossy like two pack, that's still looking exactly the same three years later -

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Old 13th March 2016, 11:55
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And no sagging on the body ( well of the car anyway).
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Old 13th March 2016, 16:58
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Roadster, Pops, Swifty & Mister Towed – Thanks for all the feedback & replies chaps.

I am pretty sure I picked Jawel paints as a supplier because Mr T used them.

Similarly, I picked a “Truck” paint as it was something Mac recommended, as it could be brushed on.

The advice I was given by Jawel was start with etch primer, as my bodywork is a mix of gel coat, fibreglass & filler.

Then a “normal” (not sure of technical term) primer/undercoat, before the paint.

As far as I can tell the truck paint is “synthetic”, but I couldn’t tell you if that is different to “cellulose”.

Either way, I am certainly going to give it a go and we’ll see what happens.

Cheers, Paul.
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Old 19th March 2016, 08:25
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I'm sure that you'll do a grand job! I'd never painted a car before i did the Sammio and I loved every minute of learning, even if it was hard work! and the Miglia turned out like this!



I also went to Jewel and they were very good for choice and advise.
The biggest lessons i learnt is that for a novice even the most basic suction spray gun is good enough, don't worry about immediate finish as you can always flat it back and the biggest thing that made a difference for me was make sure you have an in-line water trap/ pressure regulator! (you can see mine attached to the wall in teh above pic)

BTW i used Etch primer on the Sammio and normal primer on the Miglia and I would say that Etch is better, especially if(when) you get stone chips!


Oh... and we fully expect a Breaking-bad style photo like Towed's and mine as you go. it's seems to be traditional along with the "sat in the body"photo

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Old 19th March 2016, 16:21
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Hey Paul, just to throw in my two hapeth on the paint subject.
I also used acid etch primer, followed by high build primer, then
the modern equivalent of celly paint, and it didn't turn out too bad at all, so it would appear that good results can be had by either method, so just go with whatever you feel suits you!
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Old 19th March 2016, 22:15
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How could I have missed the chance to show off my best ever paint job?

WCA would never have made a mistake like that I know!!

So here it is:

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How could I have missed the chance to show off my best ever paint job?

WCA would never have made a mistake like that I know!!

So here it is:

[IMG]http://[/IMG]

That is flipping gorgeous (can you say a car is gorgeous?) -

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Old 20th March 2016, 06:45
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It's tempting to get seduced by a £2k 2k professional paint job - blemish free, mirror shiny and obviously gunned on by a pro using bodyshop equipment and a spray booth/oven, and quite a number of the Tribute Ferrari style car customers have gone down that route.

That will certainly get you the Pebble Beach concours d'elegance, never, ever driven trailer queen look, but with these earlier fifties race style cars they wouldn't have been painted that well when they were new. That gives the enthusiastic amateur builder the ideal opportunity to do it yourself on the cheap and, rather satisfyingly as it happens, have it turn out looking more authentic than if you'd spent ten times as much cash letting someone else have all the fun.

Painting your own car is all part of the Sammio challenge. Enjoy!
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Old 20th March 2016, 06:48
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DaveCymru & Scottie - Thanks for the painting tips and photos.

Given the fact I will be using a brush, I have to put my faith in the flatting back process.

Once the weather warms up I will do a painting test on the inside of the boot lid.
( As I have already spent a bit of time getting a smooth(ish) finish on that. )



I'll also post the traditional 'Breaking Bad' photo, although I've seen this decend into a "gimpfest".

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DaveP - Welcome to my build thread.

I'd say "flipping gorgeous" seems like a fair way to describe Scottie's car to me.

In case you missed it, his build thread is here:
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=4553

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Still Busy:
Yesterday was my fourth visit to the dentist and the root canal work is finally finished.
( I still need a bit of minor work in a few weeks, but nothing compared to this. )

Other good news is that my work project has been extended for a few more weeks.

The bad news is that this means it will be Easter Weekend before I get a chance to work on the car.

Given that it is the Spring Equinox today and the clocks go forward next week, at least daylight is returning.

So until next time, take care, Paul.
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